Seabreeze said:

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They will Brinell test the tanks that didn't burn. That will probably determine weather they remain standing or not.

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They may find it cheaper to start fresh in that bath.

BBRex said:

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This fire has more reappearances than Jason Voorhees.

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I don't know who that is, but I believe a containment dike broke this afternoon.

The Wonderer said:

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94chem said:

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BBRex said:

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This fire has more reappearances than Jason Voorhees.

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I don't know who that is, but I believe a containment dike broke this afternoon.

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Never knew he had a last name.

Outside of monitoring air quality, water and soil remediation, and product movement, what are you seeing as the key next items to address and risks associate with each? Obviously those directly close to the site are at risk, but any risks to the greater Houston area as to those next steps?

Like I said in a previous post which I think got misconstrued, it will be a slow burn meaning the affects will be chronic not acute. What burned wasn't safe first and foremost. Most of the toxins were being burnt off, but not all. What was left to fall to the ground won't have immediate impacts to the community's up wind of the fire. It will be slow. First signs will be grass dying in people's yards. Second trees browning and dropping leaves during the summer months or dying like the grass. Some people may see outdoor pets getting sick who were exposed to the prolonged cloud, weather by breathing it or drinking, eating contaminated water and food left outside. This is not a doom and gloom prediction, I'm in no way trying to scare the s**t out people. I'm not MF Barns or trying to be. I'm just listing warning signs of things that may come to look out for that you're being slowly exposed.

They have to get the situation under control before even thinking about remediation. Just because the fire is out doesn't mean that the situation is under control, it's just better contained. Until all the liquid in those partially collapsed tanks, the diked area around the tanks, and now in the contaminated storm water ditch is put into an closed container there is a risk for further air emissions and more fires.

They need a tank for at least 20k barrels of mixed water/foam/hydrocarbon slop and a way to get the slop there. I'm sure they have a vessel, but they may have had to shuffle material around to free up space elsewhere.

Piping in that tank pad was likely damaged or destroyed by the fire so there are operational / logistical limitations they are having to overcome. Couple that with now having to get slop out of the storm water ditch and the dike and they are may be limited to working with smaller and/or portable equipment.

This is still very much an active incident in progress.

Who does this?

https://abc13.com/concerns-rise-after-fisherman-spots-chemical-in-houston-ship-channel/5212960/

If I'm understanding you correctly, the concern is the chronic burn-off (assuming this is the direction that ITC goes), along with particular matter from the initial fire / smoke.

Do you think particule matter is being measured / assessed similar to air quality (not sure if that's even possible) throughout the city? Additionally, why not barrel the contaminated product vs. a slow burn-off?

No, I asked you to provide detail. Your post was incredibly cryptic. You responded and edited three times. By the time I checked it your post was blank.

If there's something you can't say, that's fine, but don't be ass hurt that people want more info.

ITC likely does not have a permit for the emissisons from combusting all that material much less for the evaporation losses from the open tanks/pools/ ditches full of hydrocarbons. All that material has to go back into containment and then be reprocessed / disposed of at an outside facility. A toller will likely take the material, distill it, and recover as much hydrocarbons as possible.

I believe what seabreeze is trying to say is that if somehow emissions continue to occur, that would be visible slowly over time in the impacted areas by sick/dying vegetation and/or animals.

I think that is a relatively low probability of occurrence. Assuming nothing else happens and ITC gets all the material contained relatively quickly, the bulk of the emission / exposure has already occurred. So the time horizon for observable impacts in the environment is in the coming weeks, not this summer.

For you young Ag engineers:

Texas A&M has a top notch Process Safety Management school. Would be a safe bet of a career that will only grow.

suburban cowboy said:

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For you young Ag engineers:

Texas A&M has a top notch Process Safety Management school. Would be a safe bet of a career that will only grow.

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Unless you were the engineer in charge of this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/houston/comments/b4jevy/coughing_up_things_since_the_fire/

Now vacating vessels and setting up crews in hotels until channel is "safe" to return to vessels.
What a s#?tshow.
I think it started off as safety and now folks are getting ammo for some ITC $$$$$

Let's just get back to moving product.

padreislandagfan said:

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Now vacating vessels and setting up crews in hotels until channel is "safe" to return to vessels.
What a s#?tshow.
I think it started off as safety and now folks are getting ammo for some ITC $$$$$

Let's just get back to moving product.

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ITC employee?

They should be insured out the ying yang for this

sts7049 said:

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right. a few days after a massive fire and massive contamination everything is safe now. nothing to see here anymore.

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I get what you're saying, but the fires had nothing to do with the guy you're responding to and are probably affecting his bottom line or are going to create more work. If you or I were in that situation, we'd be pissed too.

i get being pissed about not being able to work. that's an unfortunate side effect of this whole disaster. but to mock the whole closing of the channel as a joke about protecting people or setting up lawsuits is going too far.

this was no small event. gonna have to have some patience.

Nobodys 'dumping' anything for ***** sake.

Thats how these farms are constructed. Theres a containment area and then there are drainages ditches that most often end up in the channel.

This was a big event. The containment failed.

What you gonna do. Try and keep it from going to sea level and pooling up somewhere.

If the whole place is at risk of going up in a fireball ... dare i say

What difference, at this point, does it make?

**** has got to go somewhere.

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More interested in whether they are even testing for pfoa and pfas compounds. Not sure what foams they were using, but could be the bigger issue if they were using synthetic foams. Honestly, the btex compounds are not much of a concern long term as they won't bioaccumulate.

Helpful PSA Deer Park peeps: