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It is really interesting to watch the dichotomy in responses to regulatory involvement here... One group...lets call them "the democrats" are convinced that all regulatory personnel are noble, hard working Erin Brokovich types out to save us all from the evil polluters whose only goal is to poison our children.

The other group...lets call them "the republicans" are convinced that all regulatory personnel are bumbling bureaucrats on a tyrannical power trip whose only goal is to shut down legal commerce and halt any and all economic activity because the businesses failed to address their permit fee letters to the proper administrative mail code.

Can we all just agree that there is a middle ground there? Do some regulators get buried in the weeds of small unimportant details and use them to extract fines from businesses that are otherwise trying very hard to comply with the rules? Yes. Are there businesses out there that ignore the laws that are inconvenient or costly for them and skirt the very edge of the "grandfathering" clauses of many regulations to scrape by with old and outdated control equipment just to avoid falling under a new regulatory requirement? Yes.

This image of the business owner out there mopping up every drop of spilled product with a q-tip "because it is expensive" and "you can't sell it on the ground" is just silly. That isn't what happens and everybody knows it. Nobody wants to have big expensive releases and they will go to great lengths to avoid them; but in certain industries and settings, small "de minimis" releases of a few gallons per month are considered just part of the business and nobody goes out of their way to avoid them or fix them until they all add up to a contaminated groundwater plume reaching somebody's well.
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blindey said:

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CSB is creaming in their drawers. This is like their Super Bowl.

I remember when they got ants in their pants and tried to weasel their way into the DWH investigation amd muddied the waters further with their Bs.
I remember those dorks trying to nose in on the DWH, too.


I got no problem with the CSB, in this case. Like I said this is what they are there for.

My issue with them was when they hilariously tried to assert jurisdiction over DWH when their enabling statute specifically prohibited them having jurisdiction in O&G ops on the continental shelf.

I mean specifically.

The DWH was already a gd **** show and well underway l and the CSB rides in on their Shetland ponies and starts tryna get in the mix.

A lot of folks were none too happy about that little stunt.

I mean the statue specifically prohibited them from getting involved but they just showed up and started ordering folks aroundt. A lot of smart folks on both sides were scratching their head on that little stunt lookig at each other like WTF over? Still laugh about it.
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blindey said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

CSB is creaming in their drawers. This is like their Super Bowl.

I remember when they got ants in their pants and tried to weasel their way into the DWH investigation amd muddied the waters further with their Bs.
I remember those dorks trying to nose in on the DWH, too.

The CSB: solving problems at the pace it can create them.
I was one of HAL's many lawyers on the DWH case. The CSB was definitely JV-level when it came to that incident. They should stick to process environments.....not drilling rigs.
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From deer park OEM twitter -

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The community is advised that at approximately 12:15PM, the dike wall at Intercontinental Terminals Company (ITC) Deer Park containing the product released during the recent fire event partially collapsed.

As a result, ITC sent out a Shelter-in-Place notification to industrial neighbors and the San Jacinto Texas State Historic Site.

At this time, the City of Deer Park is not ordering a Shelter-in-Place for the city limits but will provide additional information as it is available


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hodgesco said:

blindey said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

CSB is creaming in their drawers. This is like their Super Bowl.

I remember when they got ants in their pants and tried to weasel their way into the DWH investigation amd muddied the waters further with their Bs.
I remember those dorks trying to nose in on the DWH, too.

The CSB: solving problems at the pace it can create them.
I was one of HAL's many lawyers on the DWH case. The CSB was definitely JV-level when it came to that incident. They should stick to process environments.....no drilling rigs.


As I recall it was the biggest complex litigation/investigation the world had ever seen. Looking back, a decade later, the whole thing was as organized as one could expect and moving along as well as could be expected.

Then the CSB shows up one day.

It was the equivalent of the Ags playing Bama in 2012 and the CSB walking on the field in the middle of the 2nd quarter dribbling a basketball.

A minor footnote lost to history but it still makes me laugh when I think about it.
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The ship channel is closed from Tucker Bayou to Goat Island, likely to be down for a while.
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The Goat Island down on Bolivar?

If so that's a shlt ton of channel to be closed.
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Is Goat Island across from Morgan's Point?

It's either goat island or Atkinson island. I can't remember where t f goat island is anymore.

In any event there use to be a homeless dude that lives on that island. He use to cross the ship channel in an old aluminum canoe and pull it in at the "Goat Ranch" at Morgan's point.

Anyone remember this ****?

Random ass story but I get a real kick if someone other than me actually knows what I'm talking about.
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Goat Island around Scott Bay, north of 146. Damn near may as well be the whole channel, only the Exxon terminal in Baytown and the container terminals can have any inbound/outbound traffic.
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I'm assuming goat island north of SH146
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Yeah that's right, is that area over there on the north side called Peggy's Lake and goat island is up in there?
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That's crazy. In about a week the fairway anchorage is gonna be stacking up hard. Dangerous this time of year.
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you have a strange sense of humor
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Andddddd lots of smoke in the air again
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They've been planning for this exact kind of mass conflagration event for decades.

Now it's nut cuttin' time .... unfortunately.

Rubber meet road. Good luck to all.


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It's back.

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Yep can see it from Hobby again

BBRex
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This fire has more reappearances than Jason Voorhees.
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silverado_lover said:



Andddddd lots of smoke in the air again


Anyone else ready for some baseball?
suburban cowboy
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Started less than 30 minutes ago. The ship channel was partially closed about 1hr prior to that.

This was obviously unexpected and hoping no one involved in cleanup was injured.
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The drainage ditch is now on fire

https://www.click2houston.com/news/itc-officials-to-provide-update-on-situation-in-deer-park
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sts7049
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i guess at this point it's better to burn all this spilled stuff off
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silverado_lover said:



Andddddd lots of smoke in the air again

What are we looking at here? Spill?
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Anybody in the know whether there is some imminent danger. Hope it burns itself out.
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Maybe just burn the whole facility down and start over at this point?
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It's already put out again... roughly 20 kbbls of fluid to get out...
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Seabreeze
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One guy on here last night made it sound like I was just here posting doom and gloom. Things continue to be bad, almost uncontrolled. If anyone noticed the ditch fire today was located in a storm drain ditch.
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What's crazy is this was such a small part of the terminal. Not sure what the final number of tanks on fire was, but we're talking about ~8-10 of 242 tanks.
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DRE06 said:

What's crazy is this was such a small part of the terminal. Not sure what the final number of tanks on fire was, but we're talking about ~8-10 of 242 tanks.


All 15 tanks look shot, though not all were on fire.
Seabreeze
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They will Brinell test the tanks that didn't burn. That will probably determine weather they remain standing or not.
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Quote:

https://www.click2houston.com/news/q-a-ed-emmett-s-take-on-harris-county-s-response-to-itc-deer-park-fire

Eisenbaum: "What grade would you give to your replacement, Hidalgo, in her handling of the ITC fire?"

Emmett: "I don't think I'm going to get into giving out grades. I do think the concern is you have to get information out quicker, and this was her first attempt and, OK, there was a learning curve there. I do worry more about the coordination. We didn't know what was burning and we didn't know where the plume was going or where it was going to come down and I think that's the concern that everybody has to have."

Eisenbaum: "What do you think about her press conferences?"

Emmett: "The first press conference, the company wasn't there, the state wasn't there. If you drag it on and it's an hour and you are having all of these people coming back and forth to the microphone. People don't have time for that, they want facts and they want them quick."

Eisenbaum: "What's your best advice moving forward?"

Emmett: "The most important thing now is to say, 'OK, what can we do better?' That's always a learning experience, and the professionals in the county will do that."
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. . . said:

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https://www.click2houston.com/news/q-a-ed-emmett-s-take-on-harris-county-s-response-to-itc-deer-park-fire

Eisenbaum: "What grade would you give to your replacement, Hidalgo, in her handling of the ITC fire?"

Emmett: "I don't think I'm going to get into giving out grades. I do think the concern is you have to get information out quicker, and this was her first attempt and, OK, there was a learning curve there. I do worry more about the coordination. We didn't know what was burning and we didn't know where the plume was going or where it was going to come down and I think that's the concern that everybody has to have."

Eisenbaum: "What do you think about her press conferences?"

Emmett: "The first press conference, the company wasn't there, the state wasn't there. If you drag it on and it's an hour and you are having all of these people coming back and forth to the microphone. People don't have time for that, they want facts and they want them quick."

Eisenbaum: "What's your best advice moving forward?"

Emmett: "The most important thing now is to say, 'OK, what can we do better?' That's always a learning experience, and the professionals in the county will do that."

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The Wonderer said:

. . . said:

Quote:

https://www.click2houston.com/news/q-a-ed-emmett-s-take-on-harris-county-s-response-to-itc-deer-park-fire

Eisenbaum: "What grade would you give to your replacement, Hidalgo, in her handling of the ITC fire?"

Emmett: "I don't think I'm going to get into giving out grades. I do think the concern is you have to get information out quicker, and this was her first attempt and, OK, there was a learning curve there. I do worry more about the coordination. We didn't know what was burning and we didn't know where the plume was going or where it was going to come down and I think that's the concern that everybody has to have."

Eisenbaum: "What do you think about her press conferences?"

Emmett: "The first press conference, the company wasn't there, the state wasn't there. If you drag it on and it's an hour and you are having all of these people coming back and forth to the microphone. People don't have time for that, they want facts and they want them quick."

Eisenbaum: "What's your best advice moving forward?"

Emmett: "The most important thing now is to say, 'OK, what can we do better?' That's always a learning experience, and the professionals in the county will do that."





That is why you don't elect 28 year-old SJW pieces of sh*t to county government.
 
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