Yeah, I heard that she is going to ask Charlie and Lucy Davidson, Paul Doyle, Kelly Siegler and some others to come back at 1/10 of their current pay.Captain Pablo said:BigPuma said:
My brother in law is good friends with one of the guys that got canned. They were all pretty much the top performers. GLWS Kim Ogg. I think this will cost her down the road as roaming gnome mentioned. Ultimately I don't think she get re-elected the next go around.
I'm sorry to hear that about your friend, but it is way too early to know if she will get reelected. Harris county is getting Bluer by the day, and if she doesn't decent job in office, she should not have a problem in the primary
Also, everybody lamenting that all of this experience being purged, nobody knows who she is going to her. She might hire a bunch of former prosecutors who have plenty of experience themselves. People she knows from her days as a prosecutor, and also as a defense attorney.
The claim that she is going to fill her office full of newly graduated law students is unfounded
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I have a pretty good idea what they would tell her if offered.
HtownAg92 said:Yeah, I heard that she is going to ask Charlie and Lucy Davidson, Paul Doyle, Kelly Siegler and some others to come back at 1/10 of their current pay.Captain Pablo said:BigPuma said:
My brother in law is good friends with one of the guys that got canned. They were all pretty much the top performers. GLWS Kim Ogg. I think this will cost her down the road as roaming gnome mentioned. Ultimately I don't think she get re-elected the next go around.
I'm sorry to hear that about your friend, but it is way too early to know if she will get reelected. Harris county is getting Bluer by the day, and if she doesn't decent job in office, she should not have a problem in the primary
Also, everybody lamenting that all of this experience being purged, nobody knows who she is going to her. She might hire a bunch of former prosecutors who have plenty of experience themselves. People she knows from her days as a prosecutor, and also as a defense attorney.
The claim that she is going to fill her office full of newly graduated law students is unfounded
You don't know who she is going to ask or how much those people make, and you sure don't know that all of those people make $900,000 in taxable income, which is about 10x what a Harris County Felony ADA would make
ChiliBeans said:
I have a pretty good idea what they would tell her if offered.
You have no idea what perspective former prosecutors would tell her, many of whom might have worked in different counties. Some prosecutors work in three, four, or more counties by the time they retire. A lot of them do that because they get fired when there is a regime change.
New DAs snatch up displaced prosecutors ALL. THE. TIME.
And she will have 1000 resumes on her desk when she walks in the door
Captain Pablo = Kim Ogg
IP confirmed.
IP confirmed.
I don't think anyone is pretending turnover at the top isn't common with regime changes. The quality, number and importance of the DAs that were fired is really difficult to comprehend unless you work within the harris county criminal justice community.
And yes, I talked to a few of the names that were just mentioned. I have a very good idea what they would tell Ogg.
And your statement about "1000 resumes on her desk" to replace what was lost is pretty telling imo. You don't know what you are talking about. This crap doesn't grow on trees. Its acquired over decades of experience. Ogg has made her bed now crime victims will have to lie in it, regardless of whether or not you believe that to be true.
And yes, I talked to a few of the names that were just mentioned. I have a very good idea what they would tell Ogg.
And your statement about "1000 resumes on her desk" to replace what was lost is pretty telling imo. You don't know what you are talking about. This crap doesn't grow on trees. Its acquired over decades of experience. Ogg has made her bed now crime victims will have to lie in it, regardless of whether or not you believe that to be true.
The Wonderer said:
Captain Pablo = Kim Ogg
IP confirmed.
Now why would you say that?
Don't act like a child
I wanted Devon to win
But I also know how these things work, and this is not uncommon at all for seasoned prosecutors to lose their jobs when their bosses get beat in an election. It happens all the time. It is just the nature of the Beast, and you should know that when you take a job as an ADA
Or maybe I actually know the people he mentioned in that post.
RoamingGnome said:
I don't think anyone is pretending turnover at the top isn't common with regime changes. The quality, number and importance of the DAs that were fired is really difficult to comprehend unless you work within the harris county criminal justice community.
And yes, I talked to a few of the names that were just mentioned. I have a very good idea what they would tell Ogg.
And your statement about "1000 resumes on her desk" to replace what was lost is pretty telling imo. You don't know what you are talking about. This crap doesn't grow on trees. Its acquired over decades of experience. Ogg has made her bed now crime victims will have to lie in it, regardless of whether or not you believe that to be true.
I know it's not true. I have seen this exact same scenario played out dozens of times. These were all good prosecutors, but they are not Irreplaceable, or indispensable. And like I said, the people that replace them very well could be experienced prosecutors, or at least very experienced criminal lawyers.
Crimes will be committed, and the perpetrators will be prosecuted it, just like now. Murders, rapist, robbers, burglars... They will be treated just as harshly as they were under the previous 10 district attorneys. Well, maybe Holmes stands out. That dude was a badass
And yes, you might know what some people will tell her, but there are plenty of good lawyers who will take those jobs.
ChiliBeans said:
Or maybe I actually know the people he mentioned in that post.
That is an exclusive list of everybody she is asked? She may have already talked to 500 people, many of whom have agreed to come work for her
It was an exaggeration, of course, but 3-4X county money is not, and for some (Rusty) the 10X figure is correct.Captain Pablo said:HtownAg92 said:Yeah, I heard that she is going to ask Charlie and Lucy Davidson, Paul Doyle, Kelly Siegler and some others to come back at 1/10 of their current pay.Captain Pablo said:BigPuma said:
My brother in law is good friends with one of the guys that got canned. They were all pretty much the top performers. GLWS Kim Ogg. I think this will cost her down the road as roaming gnome mentioned. Ultimately I don't think she get re-elected the next go around.
I'm sorry to hear that about your friend, but it is way too early to know if she will get reelected. Harris county is getting Bluer by the day, and if she doesn't decent job in office, she should not have a problem in the primary
Also, everybody lamenting that all of this experience being purged, nobody knows who she is going to her. She might hire a bunch of former prosecutors who have plenty of experience themselves. People she knows from her days as a prosecutor, and also as a defense attorney.
The claim that she is going to fill her office full of newly graduated law students is unfounded
You don't know who she is going to ask or how much those people make, and you sure don't know that all of those people make $900,000 in taxable income, which is about 10x what a Harris County Felony ADA would make
Which one is Murray Newman?The Wonderer said:
Captain Pablo = Kim Ogg
IP confirmed.
Roger Bridgewater, Jim Leitner and their ilk don't hold a candle to what was lost. Don't believe me? Just wait. We can touch base again when she makes it formal in January.
Murray is an Ag.....
HtownAg92 said:It was an exaggeration, of course, but 3-4X county money is not, and for some (Rusty) the 10X figure is correct.Captain Pablo said:HtownAg92 said:Yeah, I heard that she is going to ask Charlie and Lucy Davidson, Paul Doyle, Kelly Siegler and some others to come back at 1/10 of their current pay.Captain Pablo said:BigPuma said:
My brother in law is good friends with one of the guys that got canned. They were all pretty much the top performers. GLWS Kim Ogg. I think this will cost her down the road as roaming gnome mentioned. Ultimately I don't think she get re-elected the next go around.
I'm sorry to hear that about your friend, but it is way too early to know if she will get reelected. Harris county is getting Bluer by the day, and if she doesn't decent job in office, she should not have a problem in the primary
Also, everybody lamenting that all of this experience being purged, nobody knows who she is going to her. She might hire a bunch of former prosecutors who have plenty of experience themselves. People she knows from her days as a prosecutor, and also as a defense attorney.
The claim that she is going to fill her office full of newly graduated law students is unfounded
You don't know who she is going to ask or how much those people make, and you sure don't know that all of those people make $900,000 in taxable income, which is about 10x what a Harris County Felony ADA would make
Oh, Rusty probably makes more than that!
Ironically, Rusty supported Kim Ogg in her failed judge campaign years ago.
Untimed Down said:Which one is Murray Newman?The Wonderer said:
Captain Pablo = Kim Ogg
IP confirmed.
Which one is this guy?
Do you think justice was served here by DA Anderson?
http://www.khou.com/news/local/harris-co-da-questioned-after-attorneys-dwi-charge-dismissed/374346543
http://www.khou.com/news/local/harris-co-da-questioned-after-attorneys-dwi-charge-dismissed/374346543
Well he's an Aggie, so yes! Duh
Put the pipe down and have a serious discussion for a moment. What specifically do you take issue with? The fact a pretrial diversion program exists for DWI offenses at all?
I'm not sure I understand your faux outrage. To be clear, I'm not defending Anderson but just trying to understand what you think is unfair so I can educate you on what happened. That way your feigned outrage will be more believable.
I'm not sure I understand your faux outrage. To be clear, I'm not defending Anderson but just trying to understand what you think is unfair so I can educate you on what happened. That way your feigned outrage will be more believable.
Didn't Devon campaign against divert?
I don't see any outrage here at all. But does anyone really think Buzbee didn't get special treatment?
MAS444 said:
I don't see any outrage here at all. But does anyone really think Buzbee didn't get special treatment?
Exactly. I'm not outraged at all. I'm glad Buzbee got off. But to say that Anderson didn't pull strings for him is disingenuous. The Gnomes argument on this thread has been that Ogg is playing political games that have never been played before and is somehow putting our citizens well being in danger because of her antics. My point is, both sides play games. That's politics. One side lost this time. The game continues.
Again, you show that you have absolutely no understanding of the CJC. Stick to talking about your day job, you won't show yourself to be out of your element as often as you have done here.26.2 said:MAS444 said:
I don't see any outrage here at all. But does anyone really think Buzbee didn't get special treatment?
Exactly. I'm not outraged at all. I'm glad Buzbee got off. But to say that Anderson didn't pull strings for him is disingenuous. The Gnomes argument on this thread has been that Ogg is playing political games that have never been played before and is somehow putting our citizens well being in danger because of her antics. My point is, both sides play games. That's politics. One side lost this time. The game continues.
You think Anderson dismissing this case is somehow special? Since you are obviously not aware, pretrial diversions are ALL dismissed upon successful completion. The "special treatment" you decry appears to be the fact it was done 2 months early. Thats it? Not that the case was summarily dismissed or that the standard terms of the PTD were changed, but that something inevitable scheduled to happen two months early. For all we know Anderson was protecting the ADA who would have been forced to sign the dismissal, since apparently any high-profile case will result in retaliation if the media is involved. See terminations thus far.
So your closing argument is that Buzbee getting the same PTD conditions as everyone else, but closure 2 months early is somehow analogous to firing 687 years of prosecutorial experience (including anyone who could possibly try a death penalty case)?
Good grief.
I can't recall the article I read regarding Buzbee's dismissal, but it stated that the judge who dismissed it was one that usually doesn't allow/handle PTI, and that Anderson personally signed off - something that is rare.
CCL#2. Bill Harmon's Court. He won't sign any PTD DWI agreement, so the case is reset for a year with an agreement between the state and defense to the terms of the PTD. Not unusual.
It is unusual for the sitting DA to sign any misdemeanor dismissal. As I stated above, my speculation is that she was protecting the low-level ADA who would have had to sign the dismissal from retaliation by keeping his name off it.
It is unusual for the sitting DA to sign any misdemeanor dismissal. As I stated above, my speculation is that she was protecting the low-level ADA who would have had to sign the dismissal from retaliation by keeping his name off it.
This ish is getting wild:
http://abc13.com/news/harris-co-da-elect-alleges-wrongdoing-after-dismissals/1665133/
http://abc13.com/news/harris-co-da-elect-alleges-wrongdoing-after-dismissals/1665133/
Quote:
This is an email sent to outgoing First Assistant Belinda Hill from Kim Ogg:
"Judge,
Please be advised that I have received several phone calls on my personal cell phone and at my law firm from a sex trafficking victim, the mother of a child who was sexually assaulted, and two parents of murdered children-all of whom have cases pending with the Harris County District Attorney's Office. These crime victims have been contacted by individuals identifying themselves as assistant district attorneys. The callers deliberately misinformed the crime victims about the status and well-being of their cases, and then told them to call me personally to complain. The prosecutor identified by the sex trafficking victim is Justin Keiter.
A frantic rape victim's mother called me to say she was notified by VINE that the a defendant accused of raping her child had been released because of case dismissal by the prosecutor, Nick Socias, who had failed to contact her about the dismissal. Last night I spoke with a woman whose daughter is the victim of a capital murder. She received an anonymous phone call by a person identified as a prosecutor who not only misinformed her about the status of her case, but made false statements about me, including stating that I would never seek the death penalty in her case, currently scheduled for Feb. 2017. The prosecutor handling her case is Gretchen Flader.
The purpose of this communication is to inform Ms. Anderson and you that the use of official and confidential information available only to the prosecutors handling these cases is unethical and possibly illegal. I urge you to immediately halt the access to all official information by these prosecutors and any others engaged in these despicable actions.
Additionally, please take immediate action to ensure that all records (personal cell phone, personal and work email, etc.) from each person involved are immediately preserved so that a full investigation can be undertaken.
To say that these actions re-victimize people who have already suffered enough is an understatement. In the name of professionalism and common decency, I urge you both to take appropriate action immediately.
Regards,
Kim Ogg
Harris County District Attorney-Elect"
Don't suppose you have any favorite blogs about life at the CJC that you would recommend?Quote:
Again, you show that you have absolutely no understanding of the CJC.
You really can't bring yourself to acknowledge that the sitting DA plays politics also.
Ogg will be a one termer after Trump deports 200,000 of her voters.
Everyone plays politics. Its an elected office.
My whole point has been that Ogg has axed non-political worker bees who are necessary for effective criminal prosecution of major violent crimes in Harris County.
That is as concise as I can make it.
My whole point has been that Ogg has axed non-political worker bees who are necessary for effective criminal prosecution of major violent crimes in Harris County.
That is as concise as I can make it.
Serious question- are ADAs not covered by the same sort of civil servant employment laws which require an act of God to fire a normal municipal employee?
"At-will" means exactly what you think it does. If the boss wills your ass not to work there anymore, you don't work there anymore. Unless you're a gay crippled ****** over the age of 65.
Forgot one.ChiliBeans said:
"At-will" means exactly what you think it does. If the boss wills your ass not to work there anymore, you don't work there anymore. Unless you're a gay crippled ****** minority over the age of 65.
Finn Maccumhail said:
Serious question- are ADAs not covered by the same sort of civil servant employment laws which require an act of God to fire a normal municipal employee?
They are not civil servants, and are not protected as such
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