26.2 said:
Nah, I just think it's stupid to spend MILLIONS chasing people around for a plant when HPD doesn't even have the resources to do real, basic, police work. Vehicle broken into? HPD can't/won't even drive out to look at it unless there is $5k+ in damages. Etc.
lostrg said:
This thread is basically a Kim Ogg hate thread you might as well rename it that.
With all due respect, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.26.2 said:
You should step away from the ledge. The DA's office isn't going away. Crimes (that the majority of our voters decided are worth enforcing) will still be prosecuted.
Is Hooper as unbalanced as he seems?The Original AG 76 said:
YOU LISTENING DON HOOPER YOU F-ING IDIOT !!!!
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This thread is basically a Kim Ogg hate thread you might as well rename it that.
Lykos was very aggressive and fired everyone who even said a nice thing about Kelly. But thats just the way of the worldaggiedent said:Quote:
This thread is basically a Kim Ogg hate thread you might as well rename it that.
To an extent, I agree.
The republican Pat Lykos did something very similar when she won office in 2008. Where was the outrage then? Different set of rules.
Also, Lykos didn't have the same mass firings since a lot of chiefs quit and found other jobs before she got the chance. Fort Bend, Montgomery, Brazoria, counties, as well as the US Attorney's office all got a lot stronger because of it.The Original AG 76 said:Lykos was very aggressive and fired everyone who even said a nice thing about Kelly. But thats just the way of the worldaggiedent said:Quote:
This thread is basically a Kim Ogg hate thread you might as well rename it that.
To an extent, I agree.
The republican Pat Lykos did something very similar when she won office in 2008. Where was the outrage then? Different set of rules.
Criminal prosecution isn't a water spigot you simply turn on and off. It is a trade learned from seasoned craftsmen where the intricacies can, in fact, mean life or death. Mistakes can cause murderers to walk free. There are truly evil people in the world and the barrier between them and normal people just got a whole lot thinner.MAS444 said:
Which part do you disagree with so strongly: that the DAs office isn't going away or that crimes will still be prosecuted?
Lykos fired about 8-10 prosecutors. Ogg quadrupled that and essentially eliminated the death penalty by getting rid of anyone who could have competently tried one.aggiedent said:Quote:
This thread is basically a Kim Ogg hate thread you might as well rename it that.
To an extent, I agree.
The republican Pat Lykos did something very similar when she won office in 2008. Where was the outrage then? Different set of rules.
I hope you aren't forced to turn to the criminal system for justice anytime soon. You won't get it, but hey, at least you have your weed.26.2 said:
Some of y'all could use a little weed.
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Lykos fired about 8-10 prosecutors. Ogg quadrupled that and essentially eliminated the death penalty by getting rid of anyone who could have competently tried one.
But were you at Char Bar Friday?RoamingGnome said:
No, and I'm not a current ADA
Since you are having trouble with reading I'll post this again, and even bold some important points:RoamingGnome said:I hope you aren't forced to turn to the criminal system for justice anytime soon. You won't get it, but hey, at least you have your weed.26.2 said:
Some of y'all could use a little weed.
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Sorry to disappoint some of y'all, but I don't smoke weed or do drugs. Even when I'm in places where it is 100% legal.
From my experience, a lot of old people can't separate "I don't do it" and "nobody should do it". Weed and drugs are a good example. I choose not to partake, but if someone else wants to, I'm not going to fight them to get them to stop. The war on drugs is a failure, and the only casualties are normal people. The cartels got rich. The government expanded like crazy, etc.
Another example would be the AR-15. I love my ARs. But I have older family and friends who, to this day, say things like, "Nobody needs 30 rounds to kill a deer, ARs should be outlawed!"
The next Republican DA candidate will have a similar stance on weed as Ogg. That's the most disappointing thing to me.
They go looking for another job. Just like the rest of us do when laid off/fired.digging tunnels said:
feel bad for some of these prosecutors who have been there their whole career since they left law school. that's all they wanted and committed to do. i know one in particular
where do they go from here?
AlaskanAg99 said:
When Trump takes office he has the power to nuke every federal DA, and he will. There was pushback when Obama did it, but they're political appointments. Its great when your side wins, bad when it doesnt. And at the lower level of the counties I'd hope for more neutral people holding these positions, but it's just the way to goes.
Go to work for a defense law firm making 2-3x what they did as ADAs?TxElsie said:They go looking for another job. Just like the rest of us do when laid off/fired.digging tunnels said:
feel bad for some of these prosecutors who have been there their whole career since they left law school. that's all they wanted and committed to do. i know one in particular
where do they go from here?
TxElsie said:They go looking for another job. Just like the rest of us do when laid off/fired.digging tunnels said:
feel bad for some of these prosecutors who have been there their whole career since they left law school. that's all they wanted and committed to do. i know one in particular
where do they go from here?
Captain Pablo said:TxElsie said:They go looking for another job. Just like the rest of us do when laid off/fired.digging tunnels said:
feel bad for some of these prosecutors who have been there their whole career since they left law school. that's all they wanted and committed to do. i know one in particular
where do they go from here?
This
It sucks, but yes, that's what you do
These are political offices... getting fired at regime change time goes with the territory, especially if you support the winner's opponent
And believe me, I in NO WAY endorse Ogg
Far from it
Mr. AGSPRT04 said:Captain Pablo said:TxElsie said:They go looking for another job. Just like the rest of us do when laid off/fired.digging tunnels said:
feel bad for some of these prosecutors who have been there their whole career since they left law school. that's all they wanted and committed to do. i know one in particular
where do they go from here?
This
It sucks, but yes, that's what you do
These are political offices... getting fired at regime change time goes with the territory, especially if you support the winner's opponent
And believe me, I in NO WAY endorse Ogg
Far from it
I think the larger point is being missed here...no one disputes the DA position itself is political, and that the DA has the power to fire ADAs. But the ADA positions should not be politicized, at least not to this degree. The DA's office is one of the last refuges of government where true believers in public service reside- unlike the bulk who are just there for the money/job security/politics. These people really have dedicated their lives to protecting the public. Getting rid of these true believers, whose abilities cannot simply be replaced, hurts the public in both the short term and long term. And as a true believer on the civil side, there's no way in hell I'd switch. My principles won't let me. I imagine it's the same for a lot of those fired ADAs.
poorly...and lost.26.2 said:
You should step away from the ledge. The DA's office isn't going away. Crimes (that the majority of our voters decided are worth enforcing) will still be prosecuted.
BigPuma said:
My brother in law is good friends with one of the guys that got canned. They were all pretty much the top performers. GLWS Kim Ogg. I think this will cost her down the road as roaming gnome mentioned. Ultimately I don't think she get re-elected the next go around.
Mr. AGSPRT04 said:Captain Pablo said:TxElsie said:They go looking for another job. Just like the rest of us do when laid off/fired.digging tunnels said:
feel bad for some of these prosecutors who have been there their whole career since they left law school. that's all they wanted and committed to do. i know one in particular
where do they go from here?
This
It sucks, but yes, that's what you do
These are political offices... getting fired at regime change time goes with the territory, especially if you support the winner's opponent
And believe me, I in NO WAY endorse Ogg
Far from it
I think the larger point is being missed here...no one disputes the DA position itself is political, and that the DA has the power to fire ADAs. But the ADA positions should not be politicized, at least not to this degree. The DA's office is one of the last refuges of government where true believers in public service reside- unlike the bulk who are just there for the money/job security/politics. These people really have dedicated their lives to protecting the public. Getting rid of these true believers, whose abilities cannot simply be replaced, hurts the public in both the short term and long term. And as a true believer on the civil side, there's no way in hell I'd switch. My principles won't let me. I imagine it's the same for a lot of those fired ADAs.
