So if she fired a majority of white straight males and females and replaced with the above mix, could you make the argument that they were fired because they were straight and white? If so, do you think it'd have a shot and prevailing? Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to think this through in my head.Michael Barnhart said:No. that's just politicsThe Wonderer said:Would said argument hold if she hired a wide swath of replacements (males and females, homo- and heterosexuals, young and old (think this would be interesting given the reported tenure of those released today), wide array of races, etc.)?Michael Barnhart said:Hiring replacements in a discriminatory fashion is evidence the firings were discriminatory. If she really fires 80 plus, then her management team excuse starts to wear thin.The Wonderer said:I'll defer to your experience, I just can't see how these types of jobs in an at-will state would hold. I can see the arguments you are making and I'd make similar if trying to bring action. It's just common to see these types of turnovers all the time in civil service jobs.Michael Barnhart said:Okay, you win, my law degree and years in practice mean absolutely nothing.The Wonderer said:Evidence in hiring maybe; but that's an awful long reach to show connection to terminations. Especially in civil service jobs like these that are known for higher than normal turnover with a change in regime.Michael Barnhart said:Actually, it is. Notice I said "evidence", not absolute fact.The Wonderer said:No it's not.Michael Barnhart said:When she hires a disproportionate percentage of particular classes, that is evidence of discrimination.The Wonderer said:On what grounds? Texas being an at-will state makes it harder to establish a cause of action. Your new boss not liking you isn't grounds unless they fired you for specific reasons other than just not liking you.Mr. AGSPRT04 said:
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Wrongful termination suit, anyone?
Genuinely curious.
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No. In today's progressive society, a straight, white male cannot be discriminated against.The Wonderer said:So if she fired a majority of white straight males and females and replaced with the above mix, could you make the argument that they were fired because they were straight and white? If so, do you think it'd have a shot and prevailing? Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to think this through in my head.Michael Barnhart said:No. that's just politicsThe Wonderer said:Would said argument hold if she hired a wide swath of replacements (males and females, homo- and heterosexuals, young and old (think this would be interesting given the reported tenure of those released today), wide array of races, etc.)?Michael Barnhart said:Hiring replacements in a discriminatory fashion is evidence the firings were discriminatory. If she really fires 80 plus, then her management team excuse starts to wear thin.The Wonderer said:I'll defer to your experience, I just can't see how these types of jobs in an at-will state would hold. I can see the arguments you are making and I'd make similar if trying to bring action. It's just common to see these types of turnovers all the time in civil service jobs.Michael Barnhart said:Okay, you win, my law degree and years in practice mean absolutely nothing.The Wonderer said:Evidence in hiring maybe; but that's an awful long reach to show connection to terminations. Especially in civil service jobs like these that are known for higher than normal turnover with a change in regime.Michael Barnhart said:Actually, it is. Notice I said "evidence", not absolute fact.The Wonderer said:No it's not.Michael Barnhart said:When she hires a disproportionate percentage of particular classes, that is evidence of discrimination.The Wonderer said:On what grounds? Texas being an at-will state makes it harder to establish a cause of action. Your new boss not liking you isn't grounds unless they fired you for specific reasons other than just not liking you.Mr. AGSPRT04 said:
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Wrongful termination suit, anyone?
Genuinely curious.
Please note the sarcasm.
All Devon had to do was stop prosecuting small amounts of weed like Ogg proposed, and I would have voted for her.
CDUB98 said:No. In today's progressive society, a straight, white male cannot be discriminated against.The Wonderer said:So if she fired a majority of white straight males and females and replaced with the above mix, could you make the argument that they were fired because they were straight and white? If so, do you think it'd have a shot and prevailing? Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to think this through in my head.Michael Barnhart said:No. that's just politicsThe Wonderer said:Would said argument hold if she hired a wide swath of replacements (males and females, homo- and heterosexuals, young and old (think this would be interesting given the reported tenure of those released today), wide array of races, etc.)?Michael Barnhart said:Hiring replacements in a discriminatory fashion is evidence the firings were discriminatory. If she really fires 80 plus, then her management team excuse starts to wear thin.The Wonderer said:I'll defer to your experience, I just can't see how these types of jobs in an at-will state would hold. I can see the arguments you are making and I'd make similar if trying to bring action. It's just common to see these types of turnovers all the time in civil service jobs.Michael Barnhart said:Okay, you win, my law degree and years in practice mean absolutely nothing.The Wonderer said:Evidence in hiring maybe; but that's an awful long reach to show connection to terminations. Especially in civil service jobs like these that are known for higher than normal turnover with a change in regime.Michael Barnhart said:Actually, it is. Notice I said "evidence", not absolute fact.The Wonderer said:No it's not.Michael Barnhart said:When she hires a disproportionate percentage of particular classes, that is evidence of discrimination.The Wonderer said:On what grounds? Texas being an at-will state makes it harder to establish a cause of action. Your new boss not liking you isn't grounds unless they fired you for specific reasons other than just not liking you.Mr. AGSPRT04 said:
H
Wrongful termination suit, anyone?
Genuinely curious.
Please note the sarcasm.
Why .
You are exactly correct . Straight white males have absolutely no legal protections. This is a fact .
Are you serious that you don't really know this ?
Liberals.
Guess that runner's high ain't enough for you. Maybe you just like the sticker.26.2 said:
All Devon had to do was stop prosecuting small amounts of weed like Ogg proposed, and I would have voted for her.
Nah, I just think it's stupid to spend MILLIONS chasing people around for a plant when HPD doesn't even have the resources to do real, basic, police work. Vehicle broken into? HPD can't/won't even drive out to look at it unless there is $5k+ in damages. Etc.
I know exactly how correct it is.The Original AG 76 said:CDUB98 said:No. In today's progressive society, a straight, white male cannot be discriminated against.The Wonderer said:So if she fired a majority of white straight males and females and replaced with the above mix, could you make the argument that they were fired because they were straight and white? If so, do you think it'd have a shot and prevailing? Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to think this through in my head.Michael Barnhart said:No. that's just politicsThe Wonderer said:Would said argument hold if she hired a wide swath of replacements (males and females, homo- and heterosexuals, young and old (think this would be interesting given the reported tenure of those released today), wide array of races, etc.)?Michael Barnhart said:Hiring replacements in a discriminatory fashion is evidence the firings were discriminatory. If she really fires 80 plus, then her management team excuse starts to wear thin.The Wonderer said:I'll defer to your experience, I just can't see how these types of jobs in an at-will state would hold. I can see the arguments you are making and I'd make similar if trying to bring action. It's just common to see these types of turnovers all the time in civil service jobs.Michael Barnhart said:Okay, you win, my law degree and years in practice mean absolutely nothing.The Wonderer said:Evidence in hiring maybe; but that's an awful long reach to show connection to terminations. Especially in civil service jobs like these that are known for higher than normal turnover with a change in regime.Michael Barnhart said:Actually, it is. Notice I said "evidence", not absolute fact.The Wonderer said:No it's not.Michael Barnhart said:When she hires a disproportionate percentage of particular classes, that is evidence of discrimination.The Wonderer said:On what grounds? Texas being an at-will state makes it harder to establish a cause of action. Your new boss not liking you isn't grounds unless they fired you for specific reasons other than just not liking you.Mr. AGSPRT04 said:
H
Wrongful termination suit, anyone?
Genuinely curious.
Please note the sarcasm.
Why .
You are exactly correct . Straight white males have absolutely no legal protections. This is a fact .
Are you serious that you don't really know this ?
It's the part where half the population doesn't believe me that causes the sarcasm.
Well, congratulations, your desire for somebody to get wasted became a higher priority than actually prosecuting real crime.26.2 said:
Nah, I just think it's stupid to spend MILLIONS chasing people around for a plant when HPD doesn't even have the resources to do real, basic, police work. Vehicle broken into? HPD can't/won't even drive out to look at it unless there is $5k+ in damages. Etc.
We just lost a ****ton of experience and now every damned thug is gonna get set loose on dumbass technicalities and lack of prosecutorial experience.
You're priorities seem ****ed up, IMO.
You should step away from the ledge. The DA's office isn't going away. Crimes (that the majority of our voters decided are worth enforcing) will still be prosecuted.
CDUB98 said:Well, congratulations, your desire for somebody to get wasted became a higher priority than actually prosecuting real crime.26.2 said:
Nah, I just think it's stupid to spend MILLIONS chasing people around for a plant when HPD doesn't even have the resources to do real, basic, police work. Vehicle broken into? HPD can't/won't even drive out to look at it unless there is $5k+ in damages. Etc.
We just lost a ****ton of experience and now every damned thug is gonna get set loose on dumbass technicalities and lack of prosecutorial experience.
You're priorities seem ****ed up, IMO.
A very experienced lead prosecutor who was in charge of the case against the monsters who killed the 3yr old little girl was fired by that idiot
You're a dumbass. Thanks for playing.....Quote:
You should step away from the ledge. The DA's office isn't going away. Crimes (that the majority of our voters decided are worth enforcing) will still be prosecuted.
Well she fired herself unfortunately (Anderson)
Then why did Anderson care more about prosecuting small amounts of marijuana than than she did about find justice for child killers? She would have won save for that stance.
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Some of the highest-ranking prosecutors to go include First Assistant Belinda Hill, Chief of Staff Kathy Braddock and top lieutenants Maria McAnulty, Karen Morris, Roe Wilson, Dick Bax and Jane Waters, all of whom were bureau chiefs. Craig Goodhart and Terrance Windham, who also were bureau chiefs, recently retired.
Other well-known prosecutors who were asked to leave the office include three division chiefs: Julian Ramirez over civil rights; Bill Moore over major frauds; and Lance Long over the major narcotics cases. Also notified that they will be leaving are Alison Baimbridge, who prosecuted high-profile DWI cases and other vehicular homicides; Alan Curry, an appellate chief who successfully argued before the U.S. Supreme Court; and Inger Chandler, who headed the conviction review section.
26.2 said:
Then why did Anderson care more about prosecuting small amounts of marijuana than than she did about find justice for child killers? She would have won save for that stance.
Good illustration. She was all over.
She thumbed her nose at her voters and only when down in the polls started to care. She should have been replaced in the primary. She lost because the people that voted for her before didn't vote again in fair numbers.
So she just created 37 jobs! I read that they were all **** canned because of misconduct. If so, **** it. Sounds good to me. Corporations fire good people all the time and leave turds there forever. Sounds like this is the same thing, such is life. We always called it "draining the swamp".
With the new DA and police chief, the citizens of Houston and Harris County will have to take justice into their own hands. Hopefully, constitutional carry passes this session.
Tom Hagen said:
With the new DA and police chief, the citizens of Houston and Harris County will have to take justice into their own hands. Hopefully, constitutional carry passes this session.
Not a single Republican won a countywide race in Harris County. Marathon Man's drug habit is not what cost Devon the election. It's ridiculous to think that an entire slate of candidates lost because of individual pet issues, or to even think the average voter has issues on which they vote. They vote Red/Blue; don't like the Red candidate for president, they vote out all the locals. Because the average voter is an uninformed idiot.
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So she just created 37 jobs! I read that they were all **** canned because of misconduct. If so, **** it. Sounds good to me. Corporations fire good people all the time and leave turds there forever. Sounds like this is the same thing, such is life. We always called it "draining the swamp".
Um yeah. That's not what happened. She axed everyone with experience across the divisions and bureaus so that there wouldn't be opposition to her radical makeover of the mission of the department. Not because of corruption.
dont confuse them with facts....let the uninformed blabfest continueMr. AGSPRT04 said:BrazosDog02 said:
So she just created 37 jobs! I read that they were all **** canned because of misconduct. If so, **** it. Sounds good to me. Corporations fire good people all the time and leave turds there forever. Sounds like this is the same thing, such is life. We always called it "draining the swamp".
Um yeah. That's not what happened. She axed everyone with experience across the divisions and bureaus so that there wouldn't be opposition to her radical makeover of the mission of the department. Not because of corruption.
Whatever. Same thing. I've seen people fired and laid off all over the place at my place of employment. It always follows after a new manager is hired. They are just making a statement or cleaning house or any number of things to emphasize the horseagit idea that they are making things better or something. Everyone laments the same thing "oh, they have 40 years of experience each in very specific places of the world, well never replace that!".
And then...they do. Often with at least as good if not better and younger to boot. I dont believe being an attorney is any different than any other professional job. I agree it's dumb, but no reason to fret.
Speaking of blab fest, the whiners are now going well into page 2. Lol.
And then...they do. Often with at least as good if not better and younger to boot. I dont believe being an attorney is any different than any other professional job. I agree it's dumb, but no reason to fret.
Speaking of blab fest, the whiners are now going well into page 2. Lol.
Sorry to disappoint some of y'all, but I don't smoke weed or do drugs. Even when I'm in places where it is 100% legal.
From my experience, a lot of old people can't separate "I don't do it" and "nobody should do it". Weed and drugs are a good example. I choose not to partake, but if someone else wants to, I'm not going to fight them to get them to stop. The war on drugs is a failure, and the only casualties are normal people. The cartels got rich. The government expanded like crazy, etc.
Another example would be the AR-15. I love my ARs. But I have older family and friends who, to this day, say things like, "Nobody needs 30 rounds to kill a deer, ARs should be outlawed!"
The next Republican DA candidate will have a similar stance on weed as Ogg. That's the most disappointing thing to me.
From my experience, a lot of old people can't separate "I don't do it" and "nobody should do it". Weed and drugs are a good example. I choose not to partake, but if someone else wants to, I'm not going to fight them to get them to stop. The war on drugs is a failure, and the only casualties are normal people. The cartels got rich. The government expanded like crazy, etc.
Another example would be the AR-15. I love my ARs. But I have older family and friends who, to this day, say things like, "Nobody needs 30 rounds to kill a deer, ARs should be outlawed!"
The next Republican DA candidate will have a similar stance on weed as Ogg. That's the most disappointing thing to me.
She fired a bunch of prosecutors because they were strong Devon Anderson supporters and friends of hers as well. Their experience meant very little to Ogg.
Also keep in mind, there are also 9 new Democrat judges (from straight ticket votin) who have never been a judge before
The liberals are definitely taking over this county
Also keep in mind, there are also 9 new Democrat judges (from straight ticket votin) who have never been a judge before
The liberals are definitely taking over this county
AND she is well within her rights to do this. I would absolutely expect the next ( hopefully) R DA to also clean house of the unqualified zealots and freaks this person will soon infest the DA's office with. It just the way it is done.digging tunnels said:
She fired a bunch of prosecutors because they were strong Devon Anderson supporters and friends of hers as well. Their experience meant very little to Ogg.
Also keep in mind, there are also 9 new Democrat judges (from straight ticket votin) who have never been a judge before
The liberals are definitely taking over this county
My anger is directed at our own folks who have thrown out the baby with the bathwater cause of their hurt feelings, overblown issues and outright lies. They sure " showed Devon....by Gawd..we got her by golly.. YOU LISTENING DON HOOPER YOU F-ING IDIOT !!!!" but they also have decimated law and order and public safety in Harris County. We have complete DOLT for sheriff , a social justice crusading clown as DA and a lot of hideously unqualified judges coming on Jan 1.
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oh dear Gawd....why did you do this ?Wycliffe_03 said:
Goodness she looks like a bitter bull dyke on a mission...
She and the former mayor could team up for a cover shot on Bull Dyke Monthly.....
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Changing management at the top should be expected. Her predecessors all did it. People are reacting to the number of cuts and the experience being lost, not to the change at the top.
Listen up you far right loonies. Get more in the middle. It's much nicer here. Effing bumpkins
feel bad for some of these prosecutors who have been there their whole career since they left law school. that's all they wanted and committed to do. i know one in particular
where do they go from here?
where do they go from here?
Switch sides and make a bunch more money?
For those who have said that the experience can be replaced, it simply doesn't work that way. The career prosecutors that stay that long are few and far between. A lot of young prosecutors use the DA's office to get trial experience that they can leverage into a job as a litigator in a civil firm, or to jump to the defense side to make some real money. The long-time prosecutors that just got let go were in it for the cause, not the money. They endured the Lykos sheet-show (which also greatly reduced the lifer prosecutor ranks), because they believed in the cause. You can't replace that. It will take a decade at least to get the same level of talent, and it is doubtful that the remaining lifers will stick that long under Ogg's liberal regime. It will just be a continuous cycle of graduates rotating in and out every couple of years, with no veteran talent.
Harris County just became the Cleveland Browns of the law and order world.
Harris County just became the Cleveland Browns of the law and order world.
A lot of them probably already have options either in the defense bar or in other counties. But of course, it's easier when you're one of say...10 or 15 being let go at the same time. Worst case scenario is that they hang a shingle and hustle.
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