I hear just fired 82 assistant DAs this morning. I'm sure this Soros pick just purged the department of its best law and order prosecutors. To add insult to injury, the week before Christmas and morning after the office party.

According to this, it was 37....which is still 37 too many!

http://abc13.com/news/newly-elected-harris-co-da-kim-ogg-fires-dozens-of-employees-via-email/1660034/

Oh, and she apparently did it via email.

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According to this, it was 37....which is still 37 too many!

http://abc13.com/news/newly-elected-harris-co-da-kim-ogg-fires-dozens-of-employees-via-email/1660034/

Oh, and she apparently did it via email.

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I also heard the 80's number from inside the DA's office.

Not uncommon to see hire/fire when a public office changes hands.

Rare to see that many at one time.

This is terrible!

I've heard people had been expecting a purge.

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I tried to warn yall. The prosecutors fired today had a combined 687 years of service to the public.

We will be less safe moving forward. I pray for the families of murder victims who are about to have their cases tried by green prosecutors for no *********reason.

The cost of this will be in grief to crime victims and it will be very, very tangible.

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I remember the thread well. We both tried to warn the folks BUT people be mad at Devon or something..... threw out the baby with the bath water...but we sure showed Devon......
hope they are happy.
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A lot of the Devon hate stemmed from the PP case and the jailing of a rape victim (this one without a lot of the facts being released or understood by the general public). Rusty Hardin even went to bat for the DA's office.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/attorney-defends-prosecutor-after-kprc2-investigation-into-jailed-rape-victim

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I tried to warn yall. The prosecutors fired today had a combined 687 years of service to the public.

We will be less safe moving forward. I pray for the families of murder victims who are about to have their cases tried by green prosecutors for no *********reason.

The cost of this will be in grief to crime victims and it will be very, very tangible.

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I remember the thread well. We both tried to warn the folks BUT people be mad at Devon or something..... threw out the baby with the bath water...but we sure showed Devon......
hope they are happy.
idiots

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A lot of the Devon hate stemmed from the PP case and the jailing of a rape victim (this one without a lot of the facts being released or understood by the general public). Rusty Hardin even went to bat for the DA's office.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/attorney-defends-prosecutor-after-kprc2-investigation-into-jailed-rape-victim

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Devon was a helluva lot better prosecutor and DA than politician. She did mishandle the PR side of these cases and was late in responding to the jailing issue. BUT this is minor compared to the utter lack of experience and ultra liberal tendencies of Ogg. Our side is far too unforgiving in its witch hunts and crusades. We have lost a damn good law and order DA but...we sure showed ole Devon !!!!!

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RoamingGnome said:

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I tried to warn yall. The prosecutors fired today had a combined 687 years of service to the public.

We will be less safe moving forward. I pray for the families of murder victims who are about to have their cases tried by green prosecutors for no *********reason.

The cost of this will be in grief to crime victims and it will be very, very tangible.

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I remember the thread well. We both tried to warn the folks BUT people be mad at Devon or something..... threw out the baby with the bath water...but we sure showed Devon......
hope they are happy.
idiots

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A lot of the Devon hate stemmed from the PP case and the jailing of a rape victim (this one without a lot of the facts being released or understood by the general public). Rusty Hardin even went to bat for the DA's office.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/attorney-defends-prosecutor-after-kprc2-investigation-into-jailed-rape-victim

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Devon was a helluva lot better prosecutor and DA than politician. She did mishandle the PR side of these cases and was late in responding to the jailing issue. BUT this is minor compared to the utter lack of experience and ultra liberal tendencies of Ogg. Our side is far too unforgiving in its witch hunts and crusades. We have lost a damn good law and order DA but...we sure showed ole Devon !!!!!

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Not disagreeing with you. I am far from impressed with Ogg as a lawyer and even more so as a DA. Those two cases being mishandled and the general straight Dem ticket that occurred within the CoH meant that Devon didn't stand a chance at reelection.

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I tried to warn yall. The prosecutors fired today had a combined 687 years of service to the public.

We will be less safe moving forward. I pray for the families of murder victims who are about to have their cases tried by green prosecutors for no *********reason.

The cost of this will be in grief to crime victims and it will be very, very tangible.

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I remember the thread well. We both tried to warn the folks BUT people be mad at Devon or something..... threw out the baby with the bath water...but we sure showed Devon......
hope they are happy.
idiots

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A lot of the Devon hate stemmed from the PP case and the jailing of a rape victim (this one without a lot of the facts being released or understood by the general public). Rusty Hardin even went to bat for the DA's office.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/attorney-defends-prosecutor-after-kprc2-investigation-into-jailed-rape-victim

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Devon was a helluva lot better prosecutor and DA than politician. She did mishandle the PR side of these cases and was late in responding to the jailing issue. BUT this is minor compared to the utter lack of experience and ultra liberal tendencies of Ogg. Our side is far too unforgiving in its witch hunts and crusades. We have lost a damn good law and order DA but...we sure showed ole Devon !!!!!

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Not disagreeing with you. I am far from impressed with Ogg as a lawyer and even more so as a DA. Those two cases being mishandled and the general straight Dem ticket that occurred within the CoH meant that Devon didn't stand a chance at reelection.

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well obviously it was straight D voters but we had a very sizable undervote for Devon and a significant drop off in R straights. Harris County still has a slight R majority and , with proper leadership and fewer litmus tests and crusading in the general ,can be won by the R's. The proper place to express your desire to change is in the primary. Staying home in Nov cause you didn't get your way 100% or you are all madded up at a few of the candidates results in a disaster like last month. I know that folks don't like this BUT it is clear fact that the worst R is far superior to ANY D.

Completely agree.

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Funny that the same people who complain about "big government" suddenly complain when government is downsized

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If you think that there will not be 37 new hires, you don't know how this works...

Ogg is booting Anderson's ADAs and replacing them with her own picks. Typical in public office changeovers; not typical to see that large of a number of accomplished ADAs given a pink slip.

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37 is just the public number so far. I've heard there are a lot more. Minimum 50's probably close to 80.

More details in the HoustonPress piece. Ogg speaking any minute to the press.

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Funny that the same people who complain about "big government" suddenly complain when government is downsized

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If you think that there will not be 37 new hires, you don't know how this works...

Ogg is booting Anderson's ADAs and replacing them with her own picks. Typical in public office changeovers; not typical to see that large of a number of accomplished ADAs given a pink slip.I was there for Lykos.

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It is typically destructive. She fired division chiefs, court chiefs, people who have made law enforcement their life's work. You can't just rehire the experience she let go. It doesn't exist.

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Absolutely agree. As previously posted, the 37 released had a combined 680+ years of prosecutorial experience. You can't just replicate that.

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Funny that the same people who complain about "big government" suddenly complain when government is downsized

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If you think that there will not be 37 new hires, you don't know how this works...

Ogg is booting Anderson's ADAs and replacing them with her own picks. Typical in public office changeovers; not typical to see that large of a number of accomplished ADAs given a pink slip.I was there for Lykos.

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It is typically destructive. She fired division chiefs, court chiefs, people who have made law enforcement their life's work. You can't just rehire the experience she let go. It doesn't exist.

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Absolutely agree. As previously posted, the 37 released had a combined 680+ years of prosecutorial experience. You can't just replicate that.

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She really must have cleaned house of every person there with substantive experience. I have not worked in the department, just have (had?) friends there, but there is significant annual turnover at the lower echelons. So in order to fire 37 personnel with an average experience of 18.5 years from an organization of 300 personnel already overly-reliant on 1st and 2nd year attorneys learning on the job- you've gotten rid pf the bulk of the institutional knowledge accumulated over numerous administrations. Disgusting.

Wrongful termination suit, anyone?

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Wrongful termination suit, anyone?

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On what grounds? Texas being an at-will state makes it harder to establish a cause of action. Your new boss not liking you isn't grounds unless they fired you for specific reasons other than just not liking you.

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Wrongful termination suit, anyone?

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On what grounds? Texas being an at-will state makes it harder to establish a cause of action. Your new boss not liking you isn't grounds unless they fired you for specific reasons other than just not liking you.

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When she hires a disproportionate percentage of particular classes, that is evidence of discrimination.

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No it's not.

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Wrongful termination suit, anyone?

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On what grounds? Texas being an at-will state makes it harder to establish a cause of action. Your new boss not liking you isn't grounds unless they fired you for specific reasons other than just not liking you.

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When she hires a disproportionate percentage of particular classes, that is evidence of discrimination.

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No it's not.

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Actually, it is. Notice I said "evidence", not absolute fact.

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Wrongful termination suit, anyone?

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On what grounds? Texas being an at-will state makes it harder to establish a cause of action. Your new boss not liking you isn't grounds unless they fired you for specific reasons other than just not liking you.

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When she hires a disproportionate percentage of particular classes, that is evidence of discrimination.

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No it's not.

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Actually, it is. Notice I said "evidence", not absolute fact.

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Evidence in hiring maybe; but that's an awful long reach to show connection to terminations. Especially in civil service jobs like these that are known for higher than normal turnover with a change in regime.

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When she hires a disproportionate percentage of particular classes, that is evidence of discrimination.

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No it's not.

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Actually, it is. Notice I said "evidence", not absolute fact.

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Evidence in hiring maybe; but that's an awful long reach to show connection to terminations. Especially in civil service jobs like these that are known for higher than normal turnover with a change in regime.

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Okay, you win, my law degree and years in practice mean absolutely nothing.

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When she hires a disproportionate percentage of particular classes, that is evidence of discrimination.

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No it's not.

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Actually, it is. Notice I said "evidence", not absolute fact.

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Evidence in hiring maybe; but that's an awful long reach to show connection to terminations. Especially in civil service jobs like these that are known for higher than normal turnover with a change in regime.

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Okay, you win, my law degree and years in practice mean absolutely nothing.

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I'll defer to your experience, I just can't see how these types of jobs in an at-will state would hold. I can see the arguments you are making and I'd make similar if trying to bring action. It's just common to see these types of turnovers all the time in civil service jobs of this nature.

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On what grounds? Texas being an at-will state makes it harder to establish a cause of action. Your new boss not liking you isn't grounds unless they fired you for specific reasons other than just not liking you.

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When she hires a disproportionate percentage of particular classes, that is evidence of discrimination.

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No it's not.

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Actually, it is. Notice I said "evidence", not absolute fact.

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Evidence in hiring maybe; but that's an awful long reach to show connection to terminations. Especially in civil service jobs like these that are known for higher than normal turnover with a change in regime.

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Okay, you win, my law degree and years in practice mean absolutely nothing.

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I'll defer to your experience, I just can't see how these types of jobs in an at-will state would hold. I can see the arguments you are making and I'd make similar if trying to bring action. It's just common to see these types of turnovers all the time in civil service jobs.

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Hiring replacements in a discriminatory fashion is evidence the firings were discriminatory. If she really fires 80 plus, then her management team excuse starts to wear thin.

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Wrongful termination suit, anyone?

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On what grounds? Texas being an at-will state makes it harder to establish a cause of action. Your new boss not liking you isn't grounds unless they fired you for specific reasons other than just not liking you.

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When she hires a disproportionate percentage of particular classes, that is evidence of discrimination.

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No it's not.

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Actually, it is. Notice I said "evidence", not absolute fact.

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Evidence in hiring maybe; but that's an awful long reach to show connection to terminations. Especially in civil service jobs like these that are known for higher than normal turnover with a change in regime.

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Okay, you win, my law degree and years in practice mean absolutely nothing.

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I'll defer to your experience, I just can't see how these types of jobs in an at-will state would hold. I can see the arguments you are making and I'd make similar if trying to bring action. It's just common to see these types of turnovers all the time in civil service jobs.

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Hiring replacements in a discriminatory fashion is evidence the firings were discriminatory. If she really fires 80 plus, then her management team excuse starts to wear thin.

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Would said argument hold if she hired a wide swath of replacements (males and females, homo- and heterosexuals, young and old (think this would be interesting given the reported tenure of those released today), wide array of races, etc.)?

Genuinely curious.

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Wrongful termination suit, anyone?

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On what grounds? Texas being an at-will state makes it harder to establish a cause of action. Your new boss not liking you isn't grounds unless they fired you for specific reasons other than just not liking you.

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When she hires a disproportionate percentage of particular classes, that is evidence of discrimination.

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No it's not.

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Actually, it is. Notice I said "evidence", not absolute fact.

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Evidence in hiring maybe; but that's an awful long reach to show connection to terminations. Especially in civil service jobs like these that are known for higher than normal turnover with a change in regime.

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Okay, you win, my law degree and years in practice mean absolutely nothing.

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I'll defer to your experience, I just can't see how these types of jobs in an at-will state would hold. I can see the arguments you are making and I'd make similar if trying to bring action. It's just common to see these types of turnovers all the time in civil service jobs.

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Hiring replacements in a discriminatory fashion is evidence the firings were discriminatory. If she really fires 80 plus, then her management team excuse starts to wear thin.

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Would said argument hold if she hired a wide swath of replacements (males and females, homo- and heterosexuals, young and old (think this would be interesting given the reported tenure of those released today), wide array of races, etc.)?

Genuinely curious.

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No. that's just politics