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BQ78 said:

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NO ONE - people who identify as liberal, or people who identify as conservative, or people who identify as independent (the largest chunk of people) - know what to do about homelessness in large cities.
This is just wrong. There are plenty of things that should be done and can be done but the people running the big cities either won't or more likely do not want to make the changes


It would take both state and federal involvement to fix it. The majority of homeless are mentally sick with addiction issues. Those that are need to be institutionalized for their own good. You would need a radically different approach than what currently exists, and you would have to reopen the state and federal mental institutions that were mostly abandoned in the 60's and 70's.

I don't think it's a radically conservative or liberal idea to state that if you would rather do heroin and live under a bridge in Austin during 100 degree summers than get a job and provide for yourself, you need medical help.

Edit: just wanted to add that even in countries like Portugal with full decriminalization of drugs, they don't just let people use whatever drugs they want on the street. If you are caught using heroin in public, you are still sent to rehab for addiction therapy. We in the US are doing something radically different with the legalization agendas than what was originally being pointed to as the model, and it it's only making the addiction issues worse.
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Agree with all of that. If we forced people (outside of the military) to live like the homeless, it would be considered a crime against humanity and it would be. So why do we let them live that way at all?
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There was a time that living on the street was considered prima face evidence that the afflicted person needed help - so was usually taken to either a jail or "crazy house" to dry out and arrange a place to stay once off alcohol/drugs, or kept if their problems were deeper and long lasting. Tents could not trespass.
But we now have such an overwhelming number of homeless, the problem must be addressed by the Feds as any city or state that starts offering better care than their neighbors will quickly get covered with applicants (from all over the world).
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I think NGOs are the answer not government, they are more efficient with funds and don't require kickbacks for their cronies.
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The city is still about 350 cops short according to the Police Union, but when DPS came back to town from duty on the border, not everyone was welcoming.
In fact, City Hall voted to end partnership with DPS.
Now Gov Abbott has pointed out that DPS serves ALL the state and will not only continue to serve Austin, the number of troopers assigned to Austin has been increased from 100 to 130.

Edit to say I had read that the Office of Police Oversight took a vote on the DPS partnership, but now I can't find anything on the internet about it...so may have been all on the mayor, and whoever has his ear.
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Rongagin71 said:

The city is still about 350 cops short according to the Police Union, but when DPS came back to town from duty on the border, not everyone was welcoming.
In fact, City Hall voted to end partnership with DPS.
Now Gov Abbott has pointed out that DPS serves ALL the state and will not only continue to serve Austin, the number of troopers assigned to Austin has been increased from 100 to 130.

It's not clear that anybody voted for this. I think Watson did it on his own (of course under pressure from C. Moore and C. Harris and others). I know Councilmember M. Kelly was interviewed and said she was asking for information on how the decision was made, who made the decision, any data supporting the decision, etc.

So that leads me to believe Watson did this on his own. If I recall correctly, this agreement went into place pretty quickly and some of the councilmembers did not know about it, so I think it may have ended the same way.

Pretty incredible to see Watson get played like a puppet by Moore, Harris (and likely some of the radical councilmembers) mostly due to a news story that was not correct about a DPS traffic stop.

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KT 90 said:

Rongagin71 said:

The city is still about 350 cops short according to the Police Union, but when DPS came back to town from duty on the border, not everyone was welcoming.
In fact, City Hall voted to end partnership with DPS.
Now Gov Abbott has pointed out that DPS serves ALL the state and will not only continue to serve Austin, the number of troopers assigned to Austin has been increased from 100 to 130.

It's not clear that anybody voted for this. I think Watson did it on his own (of course under pressure from C. Moore and C. Harris and others). I know Councilmember M. Kelly was interviewed and said she was asking for information on how the decision was made, who made the decision, any data supporting the decision, etc.

So that leads me to believe Watson did this on his own. If I recall correctly, this agreement went into place pretty quickly and some of the councilmembers did not know about it, so I think it may have ended the same way.

Pretty incredible to see Watson get played like a puppet by Moore, Harris (and likely some of the radical councilmembers) mostly due to a news story that was not correct about a DPS traffic stop.


This morning, Watson was saying the decision to terminate the agreement has nothing to do with the traffic stop. Even though he's very liberal, Kirk used to be at least level headed when I knew him back in the 80's. Now? Not so much.
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I just love how the people against the DPS partnership are saying "oh but they were focusing on minority areas!" and the news just repeats what they said and implies it is based on racism, while completely ignoring that the reason they are focusing their attention there is because those are the areas where there is the most crime.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/politics/business-owners-warn-austin-few-years-san-francisco-homeless-crime-crises.amp

Austin will be San Fran in a few years
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Gotta hand it to Fox for consistency they seem to put out an anti Austin story about every few weeks.
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AgOutsideAustin said:

Gotta hand it to Fox for consistency they seem to put out an anti Austin story about every few weeks.
Why attack the messenger? The reality is that Austin is following in San Francisco's footsteps in a lot of ways. San Fran "wasn't as bad as everybody is claiming" until it was. And now nobody in San Fran knows what to do as convention hotels and retail stores are dropping like flies.
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AgOutsideAustin said:

Gotta hand it to Fox for consistency they seem to put out an anti Austin story about every few weeks.
If they were being accurate, they would be putting out an anti Austin story every few minutes.
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txags92 said:

AgOutsideAustin said:

Gotta hand it to Fox for consistency they seem to put out an anti Austin story about every few weeks.
Why attack the messenger? The reality is that Austin is following in San Francisco's footsteps in a lot of ways. San Fran "wasn't as bad as everybody is claiming" until it was. And now nobody in San Fran knows what to do as convention hotels and retail stores are dropping like flies.


Uh yes I know this. Been here since '95 so I've seen the decline. I'm not attacking Fox but I have noticed more articles, just an observation is all. I also remember when Hays and Williamson counties were Red.
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Martin Cash said:

AgOutsideAustin said:

Gotta hand it to Fox for consistency they seem to put out an anti Austin story about every few weeks.
If they were being accurate, they would be putting out an anti Austin story every few minutes.


Got that right.
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Martin Cash said:

KT 90 said:

Rongagin71 said:

The city is still about 350 cops short according to the Police Union, but when DPS came back to town from duty on the border, not everyone was welcoming.
In fact, City Hall voted to end partnership with DPS.
Now Gov Abbott has pointed out that DPS serves ALL the state and will not only continue to serve Austin, the number of troopers assigned to Austin has been increased from 100 to 130.

It's not clear that anybody voted for this. I think Watson did it on his own (of course under pressure from C. Moore and C. Harris and others). I know Councilmember M. Kelly was interviewed and said she was asking for information on how the decision was made, who made the decision, any data supporting the decision, etc.

So that leads me to believe Watson did this on his own. If I recall correctly, this agreement went into place pretty quickly and some of the councilmembers did not know about it, so I think it may have ended the same way.

Pretty incredible to see Watson get played like a puppet by Moore, Harris (and likely some of the radical councilmembers) mostly due to a news story that was not correct about a DPS traffic stop.


This morning, Watson was saying the decision to terminate the agreement has nothing to do with the traffic stop. Even though he's very liberal, Kirk used to be at least level headed when I knew him back in the 80's. Now? Not so much.

I've been busy with work today, haven't caught any updates yet. Did he give a reason then?

And I'm calling BS. After the story on the local Fox channel is when things blew up. He overreacted and didn't wait for all of the evidence to be seen and reviewed. Then later DPS releases the tapes and come to find much of the allegations were fabricated or exaggerated (plus the driver evaded police, had no license, no registration, no insurance, and also admitted he had been smoking weed.... all with his kid in the car).... yikes.
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the reason they are focusing their attention there is because those are the areas where there is the most crime.

4 people killed yesterday in 3 separate incidents yesterday, all in SE Austin.
Though two were found dead in SE Austin & had been for a while. (both in their 70's with gunshot wounds found in their own house) Sounds like a home invasion/robbery. Yikes.
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https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/this-weekend-was-tragic-deadly-austin-weekend-highlights-low-apd-staff-numbers/

Kxan finally catching on??
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Apache said:

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the reason they are focusing their attention there is because those are the areas where there is the most crime.

4 people killed yesterday in 3 separate incidents yesterday, all in SE Austin.
Though two were found dead in SE Austin & had been for a while. (both in their 70's with gunshot wounds found in their own house) Sounds like a home invasion/robbery. Yikes.
2 elderly people killed without anyone knowing for days, nothing ransacked or taken, and it sounds like a home invasion? Probably domestic, family member or something.
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The news says the old man killed his wife then committed suicide, so this is probably due to illness rather than lack of police.
I do wonder why people like this don't use fentanyl for suicide ?
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Rongagin71 said:

The news says the old man killed his wife then committed suicide, so this is probably due to illness rather than lack of police.
I do wonder why people like this don't use fentanyl for suicide ?
Where would go pick up some fentanyl?

You likely already own a gun, or are within a short drive of an Academy.
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Yep. Law abiding citizens typically do not know how to find fentanyl.
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The rumor is that Chacon was pressured to retire early.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4KmCbcbYAANoww?format=jpg&name=small
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Rongagin71 said:

The rumor is that Chacon was pressured to retire early.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4KmCbcbYAANoww?format=jpg&name=small
Oops, wrong paste. Try,try again.

https://texasscorecard.com/local/austin-police-chief-retires-as-policing-crisis-continues/
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Rongagin71 said:

Rongagin71 said:

The rumor is that Chacon was pressured to retire early.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4KmCbcbYAANoww?format=jpg&name=small
Oops, wrong paste. Try,try again.

https://texasscorecard.com/local/austin-police-chief-retires-as-policing-crisis-continues/
Not a rumor, this has been in the works for awhile now. Surprised it took this long. Source is a very high up city employee, and neighbor.
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Another interesting resignation. Possibly due to homelessness in Austin being up to about 5,000 according to this article.
Not mentioned in the article is that Austin is being sued for failure to enforce Proposition B (the camping ban), and that suit appears headed to the Texas Supreme Court. My understanding is that Austin has not claimed to be enforcing the ban but are rather attacking the 4 businesses that initiated the suit.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/austin-s-homeless-strategy-officer-resigns-weeks-after-city-allocates-80-9m-for-crisis/ar-AA1g0HU5?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=506a4b7427d846259e3e72824ae20c7a&ei=13

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Matt Mackoviak of Save Austin Now posts a comment on this situation.

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Rongagin71 said:

Another interesting resignation. Possibly due to homelessness in Austin being up to about 5,000 according to this article.
Not mentioned in the article is that Austin is being sued for failure to enforce Proposition B (the camping ban), and that suit appears headed to the Texas Supreme Court. My understanding is that Austin has not claimed to be enforcing the ban but are rather attacking the 4 businesses that initiated the suit.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/austin-s-homeless-strategy-officer-resigns-weeks-after-city-allocates-80-9m-for-crisis/ar-AA1g0HU5?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=506a4b7427d846259e3e72824ae20c7a&ei=13




Homeless camping that is in the public eye is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than it was. Most underpasses have been cleared of large "permanent" camps. Most parks have been cleared of the same.
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But even with that the city and state is not doing enough to solve the actual problem. Pushing homeless out of the public eye isn't the solution, neither is allowing camping. No one is working on a real solution to our countries homeless problem.
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Weddingtons Coffee said:

Rongagin71 said:

Another interesting resignation. Possibly due to homelessness in Austin being up to about 5,000 according to this article.
Not mentioned in the article is that Austin is being sued for failure to enforce Proposition B (the camping ban), and that suit appears headed to the Texas Supreme Court. My understanding is that Austin has not claimed to be enforcing the ban but are rather attacking the 4 businesses that initiated the suit.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/austin-s-homeless-strategy-officer-resigns-weeks-after-city-allocates-80-9m-for-crisis/ar-AA1g0HU5?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=506a4b7427d846259e3e72824ae20c7a&ei=13




Homeless camping that is in the public eye is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than it was. Most underpasses have been cleared of large "permanent" camps. Most parks have been cleared of the same.
Agreed. I don't see nearly the amount of homeless camps as I did back say 4-6 years ago.
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I dont see the massive encampments, but I still see quote a few pockets of them in various areas around town.

All up and down 183 you see them around the underpasses, and nearby areas. I was just at Braker and 183 yesterday, and had to avoid some homeless falling into the street. The Domain area has pockets of homeless all over the area, and up and down Burnet.

Over by Lakeline, between 183 and Parmer (off Lakeline Blvd), there is a homeless encampment that caught in fire recently. There is a large burned area in the woods, up to the street. Right across the 2-lane road is a large wooded area that backs up to a lot of nice homes in Avery Ranch and the Kelley Reeves football complex. Coulda been really bad if they hadn't put it out quickly.

It's much better than it was, but still needs some work.
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AgGrad99 said:



Over by Lakeline, between 183 and Parmer (off Lakeline Blvd), there is a homeless encampment that caught in fire recently. There is a large burned area in the woods, up to the street. Right across the 2-lane road is a large wooded area that backs up to a lot of nice homes in Avery Ranch and the Kelley Reeves football complex. Coulda been really bad if they hadn't put it out quickly.


Are you talking about the big fire a few weeks back? Was that confirmed to be caused by a homeless encampment?
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No, that was at Parmer and 1431.

I saw people claiming it was started by some homeless campers, because they'd seen people back there before...but I think that was just people guessing.

The one Im talking about is off LakeLine blvd, just West of Parmer. If you drive by it, you'll see the burned grass/trees, and all the items that were in their encampment.
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JB said:

AgGrad99 said:



Over by Lakeline, between 183 and Parmer (off Lakeline Blvd), there is a homeless encampment that caught in fire recently. There is a large burned area in the woods, up to the street. Right across the 2-lane road is a large wooded area that backs up to a lot of nice homes in Avery Ranch and the Kelley Reeves football complex. Coulda been really bad if they hadn't put it out quickly.


Are you talking about the big fire a few weeks back? Was that confirmed to be caused by a homeless encampment?
"Confirmed to be caused by a homeless encampment" could include the property owner clearing his land of unwanted encampment?
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At the political dance, an audit request.
I wonder, wonder who - Who wrote the book of love?

https://texasscorecard.com/local/austin-city-council-member-requests-audit-of-city-spending-on-homeless-services/
 
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