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cityagboy said:

Rongagin71 said:

I'm not going anywhere.

Wouldn't it be great if there was no discussion, and everyone just agreed with whatever the single ruling big city party decided?

Have you ever thought that it could be true that the police in Austin, or Los Angeles, or New York, or Chicago, or any other big city ruled by Socialists could be in need of mass force reduction but that it is a bit suspicious when all these big cities suffer the same problem at the same time?


Austin isn't socialist. Stop trolling
Apparently we have different definitions of socialist. I think the GOP is also socialist, just less so than the Dems.
I'm not one of those guys who says socialism NEVER works because I know how well it worked for the U.S. during WWII when our econmy was "mobilized".
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Wouldn't it be great if there were actual discussions on actionable steps to take to make the city better?

Not just pointless *****ing and trolling by dudes whose utility to society has long since passed.

You may not go away but you will get bored eventually when the threads fall off the first page and these discussions can go back where the belong to F16
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Keeper of The Spirits said:

Wouldn't it be great if there were actual discussions on actionable steps to take to make the city better?

Not just pointless *****ing and trolling by dudes whose utility to society has long since passed.

You may not go away but you will get bored eventually when the threads fall off the first page and these discussions can go back where the belong to F16

I may be underutilized, but I try.
In this case I would point out that the earlier suggested "actionable step" is to start paying attention to the Police Union and its various recommendations.
But I've got all day and am willing to discuss whatever ideas you might want to suggest..
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So you are a union guy now?
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It has been a long time, but I was once in the TEU...membership was sold to me by an A&M prof named Janke, pronounced Yankee. I never intended to teach but did substitute for a few months before my Federal job came thru - as I knew it would because in those days a high civil service exam score still beat sex/skin color for hiring purposes. My score was high enough that I didn't need 10pts vet pref.
I generally support the idea of unions but the reality is sometimes rather corrupted.

There's a fine example of old man rambling, right?
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210 said:

Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:

Four drive-by shootings in less than two weeks leave northeast Austin homes damaged, neighbors calling for help

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/crime/tuffit-lane-shootings/269-dc2b91be-be83-45eb-a403-9e464e2f8edc

Look guys, every big city has 4 drive by shootings in on neighborhood in two weeks. Its called growing pains and I think our overlords are doing a dang good job.
Yeah, saw the guy posting about it on reddit and then the news picked it up the next day. Here is his original post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/134kane/i_moved_into_my_house_2_years_ago_in_that_two/
The morons on Reddit blaming the APD for inaction.
I bet all those idiots complaining about gunshots voted for Prop A too
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cityagboy said:

Rongagin71 said:

I'm not going anywhere.

Wouldn't it be great if there was no discussion, and everyone just agreed with whatever the single ruling big city party decided?

Have you ever thought that it could be true that the police in Austin, or Los Angeles, or New York, or Chicago, or any other big city ruled by Socialists could be in need of mass force reduction but that it is a bit suspicious when all these big cities suffer the same problem at the same time?


Austin isn't socialist. Stop trolling
You think Greg Casar was a Republican?
Austin has a history of left wing city councilors.

I mean all 12 of them voted to Defund The Police under Addler, and it was a 9-2 vote to delay signing a 4 year contract, so that the city could pass Prop A.
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txags92 said:

SteveBott said:

Per this report Austin is 15th safest city with population of 300k or more.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2023/01/31/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us-crime-in-america/?sh=43d0c1714b25

I find it interesting that they use some convoluted "social cost of crime" per capita stat instead of just # of crimes per capita. I don't really care enough to go dig into their methodology to see how they are tweaking things, but I would love to see them ranked purely by violent crime per capita and property crime per capita. I am sure Austin would still be better than Houston, but as I said earlier, that is a very low bar to clear.

It's Forbes.
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Police sergeants working in 911 due to shortage of tele answerers...




Due to police shortage, much overtime being paid - but often paid late.

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That's my brother in law. Good Ag. Great guy.
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https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/austin-firefighter-stabbed-while-responding-downtown/

Firefighter stabbed downtown while putting out what sounds like Homeless camp fires.
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This jerk raped and murdered an 8 year old girl in a park across from a Southeast Austin grade school and was let off with an easy sentence (he got out in 11 yrs) rather than the death penalty he fully deserved.
He may have killed as many as 10 people.

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Rongagin71 said:

This jerk raped and murdered an 8 year old girl in a park across from a Southeast Austin grade school and was let off with an easy sentence (he got out in 11 yrs) rather than the death penalty he fully deserved.
He may have killed as many as 10 people.


Charlie Baird as an authority? That's laughable. The guy spent his entire career being soft on crime.
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https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/austin-police-say-violent-crime-ticking-up-after-dps-troopers-leave/

APD says violent crime going back up since DPS meft
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I was at the park Sunday with my kids and there was a homeless guy there just walking around. This is not an incredibly uncommon occurrence. Some other Dad confronted confronted him and told him to leave and the homeless guy slapped the dudes wife. I stepped in to break it up and called the police.

The homeless guy realized he'd ****ed up and retreated back to the little building at the park. The other dad and wife left the park.

Within 5 minutes the police arrived, arrested the homeless guy and the park was right back to normal. The police defused the homeless guy and took him in without incident and no one ws seriously hurt.

I realize that Kylelites won't like it, but once again these are just big city problems that seem to be handled well. Don't start fights with homeless people and the city remains pretty safe
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Last week there was another incident on our block. This time it was in broad daylight. A guy walked out with a bag full of clothes from a store. When confronted he pulls out a box knife so they let him wander off.
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Yet the homeless guy is right back on the streets to slap another women.
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Yeah I hope so, that only seems fair. The other dad started the issue, so if it were more fair they would have taken him for a ride as well. Don't start no **** won't be no ****

This was a great example of the police doing a great job at diffusing the situation and letting the parties live their life without input or effort from the legal system.
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The Fall Guy said:

https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/austin-police-say-violent-crime-ticking-up-after-dps-troopers-leave/

APD says violent crime going back up since DPS meft


Good, those DPS was racists !
-N. Linder
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I lived in the Austin area for almost 20 years. There were more suicides than homicides. That is not the same anymore. Austin is dangerous and 6st is not safe. Go to the Domain if you would like to grab a drink or a nice dinner. Stay away from downtown.
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How long ago and why not just have a drink and nice dinner at Paw Paw's Catfish House in Bastrop? Or would you be in Hutto?
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Thought you were trying to elevate the discourse on this board.
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I think this guy recently killed an elderly man about 5 miles away from my house in the Pflugerville area a few weeks ago and thats how they finally caught him.

11 years for the rape and murder of an 8 year old? Wow.
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https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/body-found-at-zilker-park-near-volleyball-courts-monday-evening/

Sounds like a natural death?
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Show me the name calling. I'm just asking if he is another suburb/exurb flamethrower.
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Keeper of The Spirits said:

Yeah I hope so, that only seems fair. The other dad started the issue, so if it were more fair they would have taken him for a ride as well. Don't start no **** won't be no ****

This was a great example of the police doing a great job at diffusing the situation and letting the parties live their life without input or effort from the legal system.


So a Dad paying his taxes wanting his child safe is at fault? If i see homeless people on the playground my first instinct is drug use. I personally picked up drug paraphinallia many times on city playgrounds while surveying. Our trucks had waste disposal buckets to put the needles in. Same for the used condoms from the youth or whoever from the night before. Any park i took my child no matter where i
I did an inspection for dangers in the sand for my child and others. Personally talk to an Austin Parks and rec maintenance person and ask them what they deal with daily and have to clean up. May change your perspective some on why some parents are like this.
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I guess you know Park Police were also laid off in some large number.
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Video of Violet Crown trail. Forever messed up with Homeless camps and trash. I walked this years ago and saw some trash, now its unusable and unsafe

https://www.foxnews.com/us/austin-resident-exposes-citys-crown-jewel-hiking-trail-decimated-homeless-encampments
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Really is a shame how the "environmentalists " don't say anything anymore as long as drugs are available and corporations bow down for Pride.

Has anybody checked on that endangered salamander down there at Barton springs lately? Bet it's extinct now.

Miss Bob Cole and Brigid Shea arguing about stuff, those were the days.
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AgOutsideAustin said:

Really is a shame how the "environmentalists " don't say anything anymore as long as drugs are available and corporations bow down for Pride.

What does this even mean?

Environmentalists used a fake environmental platform but their real goal was to "make drugs available" and force companies to enact DEI? Once achieved they dropped the environmental front?

I have no idea how you were able to link the 3 topics.

This is a really weird thread in general but I can't even make sense of that one.
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Complete Idiot said:

AgOutsideAustin said:

Really is a shame how the "environmentalists " don't say anything anymore as long as drugs are available and corporations bow down for Pride.

What does this even mean?

Environmentalists used a fake environmental platform but their real goal was to "make drugs available" and force companies to enact DEI? Once achieved they dropped the environmental front?

I have no idea how you were able to link the 3 topics.

This is a really weird thread in general but I can't even make sense of that one.



What it means is that Austin lefties used to be hard core environmentalist wackos that cared about salamanders and cave beetles more than paving a new road to relieve traffic. It was truly keep Austin weird but there was still law and order. No way the lefties back then would have allowed their precious green belts to be destroyed like that and drug use everywhere. It didn't happen.

Now the new Austin lefties don't really give a **** about the environment even though they say they do.
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I remember in the late 90s they told the citizens that they were buying a greenbult at the south of the city to have a vegetation buffer. Started land surveying in 2000 in Austin and knew why they bought it. For The sh45 toll road off of Mopac that hits FM 1626. I set all the Txdot right of way monuments for the road in 2000. Then the salamander fights stalled it. Now it is built. The next section to connect IH 35 is now ramping up. The politicians do this for their votes but they all know the outcome. Happens in every city. Money talks..
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You are 100 percent true. I miss the days when the old Austin Hippes gave a crap about the environnement. I was not a hippie but the greenbelts were gorgeous and untouched. The old hippies retired in Alpine, Tx and Santa Fe, NM
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AgOutsideAustin said:

Complete Idiot said:

AgOutsideAustin said:

Really is a shame how the "environmentalists " don't say anything anymore as long as drugs are available and corporations bow down for Pride.

What does this even mean?

Environmentalists used a fake environmental platform but their real goal was to "make drugs available" and force companies to enact DEI? Once achieved they dropped the environmental front?

I have no idea how you were able to link the 3 topics.

This is a really weird thread in general but I can't even make sense of that one.



What it means is that Austin lefties used to be hard core environmentalist wackos that cared about salamanders and cave beetles more than paving a new road to relieve traffic. It was truly keep Austin weird but there was still law and order. No way the lefties back then would have allowed their precious green belts to be destroyed like that and drug use everywhere. It didn't happen.

Now the new Austin lefties don't really give a **** about the environment even though they say they do.
You didn't address my question about your sentence that included "as long as drugs are available" and "corporations bow down for Pride". All your thoughts seem very politically driven, with the assumption that all people involved with environmentalism or cleaning up the homelessness issue identify themselves as "left" or "right".

I can somewhat get the point that people who fought to keep open natural areas, for environmental reasons, should care that homeless are polluting at least some of those areas. However, it is also true to say the green belt areas actually impacted by the homeless - maybe a thousand people total camping in green areas? - is tiny compared to what urban development for hundreds of thousands of new residents can do. But way, way more people are accessing the greenbelts for recreation - and leaving trash and doing drugs (but not threatening our safety) - than for camping. Any homeless encampment is a hideous problem, with the amount of trash generated by a small number of people staggering, and ruins the area for anyone who would want to use it for recreation, but it's actually a micro problem relative to the total greenbelt space in Austin. A huge macro problem if you live next door and regularly used the area before the homeless moved in, no doubt.

The main issues is NO ONE - people who identify as liberal, or people who identify as conservative, or people who identify as independent (the largest chunk of people) - know what to do about homelessness in large cities. I do agree that cities with leaders that lean left have way worse visible homeless issues than cities with leaders that lean right. At least Austin voters voted to ban public camping, and many many homeless sites got razed, but they keep moving around.
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NO ONE - people who identify as liberal, or people who identify as conservative, or people who identify as independent (the largest chunk of people) - know what to do about homelessness in large cities.
This is just wrong. There are plenty of things that should be done and can be done but the people running the big cities either won't or more likely do not want to make the changes
 
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