DD88 said:

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Maybe we can replace them with cops who actually do their jobs?

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Similar to having a full roster with good depth on an athletic team, you are better able to replace the lower performing members when you have adequate staffing.

Austin has dropped from a police staff of 1,800 down to 1,350 (now) down to who knows what after the continuing antagonistic approach from the city council and its obedient deluded progressive voters.

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txags92 said:

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cityagboy said:

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txags92 said:

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bankshot11 said:

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Maybe we can replace them with cops who actually do their jobs?

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Good luck finding any cops that want to come work in Austin with the DA gunning for them and Prop A poised to release their personnel file to whoever feels like that want to see it.

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Let the bad cops go elsewhere….. Don't be ****ty, don't be afraid.

bye Felicia

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It is really cute that you think it is all bad cops leaving and you can just replace them so easily. Being desperate to fill 500 positions while fighting the perception that the city and the DA are anti-cop is a bad combination if you are trying to improve your police force.

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txags92 said:

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cityagboy said:

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txags92 said:

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cityagboy said:

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txags92 said:

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bankshot11 said:

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Maybe we can replace them with cops who actually do their jobs?

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Good luck finding any cops that want to come work in Austin with the DA gunning for them and Prop A poised to release their personnel file to whoever feels like that want to see it.

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Let the bad cops go elsewhere….. Don't be ****ty, don't be afraid.

bye Felicia

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It is really cute that you think it is all bad cops leaving and you can just replace them so easily. Being desperate to fill 500 positions while fighting the perception that the city and the DA are anti-cop is a bad combination if you are trying to improve your police force.

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There is probably a median where the truth lies but I do think many of those who have left had at the very least crap attitudes.


***also, do you live in Houston or Austin? Or neither?

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Or they had a good record that would allow them to be easily hired elsewhere and got tired of dealing with the crap and being unappreciated. I am good friends with a former HPD cop that retired early a few years ago and moved to Fredericksburg. He had originally planned to work longer at HPD, but the crap support they got from the DA and the catch and release crime policies drove him to retire early and GTFO. He was a good cop with a spotless record and could get a job on any force in the state any time he wanted to apply. But between his pension, some inherited money, and the private security work he can do when he chooses, he has no need to go put himself through that anymore. The folks APD is losing are likely to be in similar situations. You can fool yourself into believing that all the departures are bad cops running from the spotlight, but I would bet that is not more than a handful of the losses.

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Even a good cop could be wary of oversight - who is providing the oversight, what is their criteria, what is their agenda? Oversight sounds good because we assume it is done by competent, rational people who ensure any procedures learned in police training are properly being followed and that if procedure was followed but oversight committee disagrees with the procedure then they change the procedure and don't punish the cop. And if procedure was not followed, then punish the cop in line with the deviation from procedure and it's impact and not to make a political point. So I can understand even a good, procedure following cop being wary of a nebulous "oversight".

But the majority of cops following procedures probably aren't worried because they know they are doing the right things with their heart in the right place.

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DD88 said:

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cityagboy said:

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DD88 said:

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cityagboy said:

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DD88 said:

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bankshot11 said:

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Maybe we can replace them with cops who actually do their jobs?

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Similar to having a full roster with good depth on an athletic team, you are better able to replace the lower performing members when you have adequate staffing.

Austin has dropped from a police staff of 1,800 down to 1,350 (now) down to who knows what after the continuing antagonistic approach from the city council and its obedient deluded progressive voters.

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Comparing cops to a sport team is wild. Bad sport players don't get people killed or wrongly put in jail. Bad cops ruin the trust for all the good cops, bad cops cause people to die, bad cops put innocent people in jail. Bad cops are scared of oversight.

I'd rather have 1350 good cops than 1800 cops with 450 of them bad

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Wow! Can you back up your claim that Austin had 450 officers who were getting people killed or wrongly charging them?

Many have retired and a good number left with good records for less antagonistic cities.

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You are smart enough to have the reading comprehension to know that's not what I said. Move along troll.

But I do think many of them were ****ty. Per the cops and fire fighters I work out with.

***I do also find it funny that most of y'all hating on Austin are F16 echo chamber posters who mostly don't live in Austin….

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Your attempt at ad hominem only diminishes your case.

I've lived in Austin 30+ years. I had my car stolen from my driveway. I've had my house burglarized. I chased off another car thief from a shopping center parking area.

If one gave you the benefit of the doubt, one could surmise that you didn't mean that 450 cops were causing people to die and putting innocent people in jail, but it's pretty close to what you wrote.

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cityagboy said:

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Be more specific on the drug use. At home? On the street? Weed? Cocaine? Heroine? Meth? Behavior?

If people are doing drugs but leaving others alone then yeah I think cops could use their tax payer time more wisely. Same with them dealing with minor traffic issues and mental health crises and reports on small crime that already happened. Others besides cops can do that stuff. Let cops be more specialized. Cops are spread so far with so little training they aren't experts in anything

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emando2000 said:

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It's difficult reading some of these responses. I'm amazed how myopic people are.

I think some of you need to sit down and talke to actual officers. This isn't weeding out bad apples.

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cityagboy said:

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It's difficult reading some of these responses. I'm amazed how myopic people are.

I think some of you need to sit down and talke to actual officers. This isn't weeding out bad apples.

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For sure and I do talk to cops at the gym 5 days a week.

I also think it's important to listen to citizens who live in a city to see why they have lost trust in police.

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Everyone's a victim these days. It's much easier and more popular than just abiding by the law.

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emando2000 said:

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cityagboy said:

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emando2000 said:

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cityagboy said:

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emando2000 said:

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It's difficult reading some of these responses. I'm amazed how myopic people are.

I think some of you need to sit down and talke to actual officers. This isn't weeding out bad apples.

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For sure and I do talk to cops at the gym 5 days a week.

I also think it's important to listen to citizens who live in a city to see why they have lost trust in police.

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Everyone's a victim these days. It's much easier and more popular than just abiding by the law.

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My point is simple. I agree we need to listen and talk with cops to hear their story. And if that's the case you should also do the same with the people who live in the city in regards to why they have lost trust in cops. If you are willing to do one but not the other, well, that's not going to help solve the problem other than building a case to defend your side….

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The only people that I know that do not appreciate an officers presence are offenders. No one likes getting pulled over for speeding but that's not what we're talking about here.

It's easy for me but then again I don't intentionally commit crimes.

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emando2000 said:

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F16? I'm assuming you're referring to politics since that's what seems to be the regular response.

Go look at my profile. I'm not an F16 person.

Please stop with your assumptions. I'm going off my own experience and observations.

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cityagboy said:

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DD88 said:

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cityagboy said:

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Maybe we can replace them with cops who actually do their jobs?

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Similar to having a full roster with good depth on an athletic team, you are better able to replace the lower performing members when you have adequate staffing.

Austin has dropped from a police staff of 1,800 down to 1,350 (now) down to who knows what after the continuing antagonistic approach from the city council and its obedient deluded progressive voters.

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Comparing cops to a sport team is wild. Bad sport players don't get people killed or wrongly put in jail. Bad cops ruin the trust for all the good cops, bad cops cause people to die, bad cops put innocent people in jail. Bad cops are scared of oversight.

I'd rather have 1350 good cops than 1800 cops with 450 of them bad

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Wow! Can you back up your claim that Austin had 450 officers who were getting people killed or wrongly charging them?

Many have retired and a good number left with good records for less antagonistic cities.

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You are smart enough to have the reading comprehension to know that's not what I said. Move along troll.

But I do think many of them were ****ty. Per the cops and fire fighters I work out with.

***I do also find it funny that most of y'all hating on Austin are F16 echo chamber posters who mostly don't live in Austin….

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Your attempt at ad hominem only diminishes your case.

I've lived in Austin 30+ years. I had my car stolen from my driveway. I've had my house burglarized. I chased off another car thief from a shopping center parking area.

If one gave you the benefit of the doubt, one could surmise that you didn't mean that 450 cops were causing people to die and putting innocent people in jail, but it's pretty close to what you wrote.

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Looking at context isn't ad hominem…. Ad hominem would be spinning to an unrelated topic….

It's not really close to what I wrote, and your response tells me you understand that.

And I'm glad that you live in austin… most that are here trashing it do not… what part of town do you live in. I'm currently a few blocks south of Rundberg and Lamar. We bought our house here about 7 years ago and moved to Austin in 2008. We rented in different parts of the city from 2008 till we bought our current home. Cars get stolen and homes get burglarized everywhere. My good friend just had a car stolen from his driveway in Prosper and my parents had their home burglarized in Georgetown about a year ago… I had some stuff stolen from my car once in austin. And my wife had her car window broken in Austin once….

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Mulberrywildman said:

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Would you mind explaining how one's posting tendencies are some sort of metric for the veracity of their post?

You really seem to be hung up on that and the F16 bogeyman that weak debaters seem to so often use as a crutch on this message board.

Always amazed at how "F16's" reach can play even into people's discussions of Austin and its policing and crime dynamics. The TexAgs politics board has exceeded the power of Soros and the lizard people in regard to its influence on the world, and how most of the ills seem to be directly associated with it.

Would also love to see your verifiable dataset that supports the people against APD vs those supporting that you claim you know.

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DD88 said:

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cityagboy said:

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cityagboy said:

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cityagboy said:

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DD88 said:

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bankshot11 said:

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Maybe we can replace them with cops who actually do their jobs?

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Similar to having a full roster with good depth on an athletic team, you are better able to replace the lower performing members when you have adequate staffing.

Austin has dropped from a police staff of 1,800 down to 1,350 (now) down to who knows what after the continuing antagonistic approach from the city council and its obedient deluded progressive voters.

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Comparing cops to a sport team is wild. Bad sport players don't get people killed or wrongly put in jail. Bad cops ruin the trust for all the good cops, bad cops cause people to die, bad cops put innocent people in jail. Bad cops are scared of oversight.

I'd rather have 1350 good cops than 1800 cops with 450 of them bad

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Wow! Can you back up your claim that Austin had 450 officers who were getting people killed or wrongly charging them?

Many have retired and a good number left with good records for less antagonistic cities.

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You are smart enough to have the reading comprehension to know that's not what I said. Move along troll.

But I do think many of them were ****ty. Per the cops and fire fighters I work out with.

***I do also find it funny that most of y'all hating on Austin are F16 echo chamber posters who mostly don't live in Austin….

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Your attempt at ad hominem only diminishes your case.

I've lived in Austin 30+ years. I had my car stolen from my driveway. I've had my house burglarized. I chased off another car thief from a shopping center parking area.

If one gave you the benefit of the doubt, one could surmise that you didn't mean that 450 cops were causing people to die and putting innocent people in jail, but it's pretty close to what you wrote.

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Looking at context isn't ad hominem…. Ad hominem would be spinning to an unrelated topic….

It's not really close to what I wrote, and your response tells me you understand that.

And I'm glad that you live in austin… most that are here trashing it do not… what part of town do you live in. I'm currently a few blocks south of Rundberg and Lamar. We bought our house here about 7 years ago and moved to Austin in 2008. We rented in different parts of the city from 2008 till we bought our current home. Cars get stolen and homes get burglarized everywhere. My good friend just had a car stolen from his driveway in Prosper and my parents had their home burglarized in Georgetown about a year ago… I had some stuff stolen from my car once in austin. And my wife had her car window broken in Austin once….

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You can always clarify your stance on how many of the 450 cops that are no longer on the Austin police staff that you believe are bad cops that "cause people to die" or " put innocent people in jail". Is it 0? Is it 450? 10%? 90%?

I live just a few miles north of you.

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Chipotlemonger said:

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Why do you work out with them if they're bad? Also, glad those cops serve as a nice anecdote for you about the 450 that left.

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