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deddog said:

cityagboy said:

two years in a row the Austin Police budget has been increased to higher levels than it ever has. I support that.…. Austin Police have problems and many come from within their own department. They have the money they need, or are at least not far off. People act like they were defunded of all resources. 3 years ago they had 30 million dollars (out of over 400 million) that was taken from their budget which has since been given back plus a lot more.

Austin does have problems, I won't deny that, but for a city that has increased in population as quickly as it has we are doing pretty well.

What large city should we look at as an example to follow? Most hate on Austin is simply cause it's the cool thing to do despite it still being the safest large city in Texas.

I live in austin. I work in austin. My kid goes to AISD. I have never seen a violent crime. None of my neighbors, friends, family or co-workers have personally been the victim of violent crimes. People act like it's just some lawless free-for-all and it just isn't but I understand it is the political whipping boy for some.

http://www.usa.com/rank/texas-state--crime-index--city-rank.htm?hl=&hlst=&wist=&yr=&dis=&sb=DESC&plow=&phigh=&ps=

https://www.kxxv.com/story/31935851/new-report-ranks-two-central-texas-cities-among-most-dangerous

https://propertyclub.nyc/article/most-dangerous-cities-in-texas
Just because you don't see or know anyone who has been in a violent crime doesn't mean it's safe.
There is more to Austin than pasty white suburban neighborhoods .

It was just 3 years ago that the Austin City Council did this
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/08/13/austin-city-council-cut-police-budget-defund/
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The Austin City Council unanimously voted to cut its police department budget by $150 million on Thursday, after officers and the city's top cop faced months of criticism over the killing of an unarmed Black and Hispanic man, the use of force against anti-police brutality protesters and the investigation of a demonstrator's fatal shooting by another citizen.
iirc, one of those council members suggested we should blow up the police department (that dunce lost the next election)

Then earlier this year the city settled with the rioters.
The city and the police agreed on a long term contract. Then the city reneged, because they want to see the outcome of Prop A

PropA which states, and I quote:
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Shall the voters of Austin adopt an initiated ordinance, circulated by Equity Action, that will deter police misconduct and brutality by strengthening the City's system of independent and transparent civilian police oversight?
Prop A will pass, and no one is going to want to work for the police.
Why the **** would a cop want to work in Austin? It's a city that ****s on its cops. I haven't seen a cop stop anyone for a traffic violation on Mopac in about 2 years. Traffic goes at 80 (during non-rush hours)

In addition, this is a city that also just prosecuted a man for the crime of self defense in the middle of a riot. Can't have people defending themselves, especially against BLM. And the DA has a history of letting criminals go free, because equity. Ask any cop in Austin and they will tell you this. Assault someone with a knife? You're out the next morning.

The result is predictable. Austin is middle of the pack in crime, but is trending in the wrong direction. And a lot of the crimes aren't even being reported. You should absolutely carry if you are anyplace other than inside your suburban house


-I do not live in a pasty white suburban neigborhood. I have stated that I live at Lamar and Rundberg. If you knew Austin you would know it's not white or pasty.

- Some money was taken away from APD but it didn't end up being 150 million as initially pushed through. It ended up being about 30 directly from APD. That money has been given back plus much much more. I have also stated I support what they have gotten and more. Their current budget is higher than it's ever been.

- As I have stated prop a will pass and then go to court to see if it's legal. I don't think democrats are the good guys and they very well could be wrong on its legality.

- I have never said austin is perfect. I stated that it's not and it has issues. Austin has gone from 450k people to over a million people in 25 years. That is over 100% growth, which is wild.

- Austin is starting to have some big city problems, which is expected.

- I simply take issues when people state that Austin is some lawless hellhole that isn't safe. That's simply not the case. It is a move by Gregg Abbott to help make him popular.
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cityagboy said:



- I simply take issues when people state that Austin is some lawless hellhole that isn't safe. That's simply not the case. It is a move by Gregg Abbott to help make him popular.

Not currently in Austin. Grew up there, parents are still there, and I lived there again a few years back. Now that I've gotten that out of the way, I have to say that I think you are exaggerating a bit and putting words into some of these other posters' mouths. I highlighted one such part that stood out to me.
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Living at Rundberg and Lamar are you pasty and white?
Curious.
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The family and I eat dinner at the Runberg and Lamar area a lot and I can attest to it bright being Lilly white or unsafe.

I live at 12th and chicon for 2 months in summer of 2021 next to the biggest project in town and walked every night with my young children after dark. We we welcomed and not a lot of Lilly white there. I dropped my wallet over ther and this dude (not white) drove it over to my permanent address in Hyde Park with all the money and cards in tact
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If you are on this board you will see the same cargo short wearing minivan driving talking bout Jesus on Sunday and spitting on the homeless on Monday crowd come out for every post and basically call it a lawless hell holes because they **** their pants when they see a liberal (of which I am not)
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AgOutsideAustin said:

Living at Rundberg and Lamar are you pasty and white?
Curious.


I am white. Calling me pasty would be a personal opinion.
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cityagboy said:



- I have never said austin is perfect. I stated that it's not and it has issues. Austin has gone from 450k people to over a million people in 25 years. That is over 100% growth, which is wild.

- Austin is starting to have some big city problems, which is expected.

And those problems are exasperated by the absolute buffoons that get elected to run that city, and the idiotic propositions that Austinites approve. Every time..
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cityagboy said:

deddog said:

cityagboy said:

two years in a row the Austin Police budget has been increased to higher levels than it ever has. I support that.…. Austin Police have problems and many come from within their own department. They have the money they need, or are at least not far off. People act like they were defunded of all resources. 3 years ago they had 30 million dollars (out of over 400 million) that was taken from their budget which has since been given back plus a lot more.

Austin does have problems, I won't deny that, but for a city that has increased in population as quickly as it has we are doing pretty well.

What large city should we look at as an example to follow? Most hate on Austin is simply cause it's the cool thing to do despite it still being the safest large city in Texas.

I live in austin. I work in austin. My kid goes to AISD. I have never seen a violent crime. None of my neighbors, friends, family or co-workers have personally been the victim of violent crimes. People act like it's just some lawless free-for-all and it just isn't but I understand it is the political whipping boy for some.

http://www.usa.com/rank/texas-state--crime-index--city-rank.htm?hl=&hlst=&wist=&yr=&dis=&sb=DESC&plow=&phigh=&ps=

https://www.kxxv.com/story/31935851/new-report-ranks-two-central-texas-cities-among-most-dangerous

https://propertyclub.nyc/article/most-dangerous-cities-in-texas
Just because you don't see or know anyone who has been in a violent crime doesn't mean it's safe.
There is more to Austin than pasty white suburban neighborhoods .

It was just 3 years ago that the Austin City Council did this
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/08/13/austin-city-council-cut-police-budget-defund/
Quote:

The Austin City Council unanimously voted to cut its police department budget by $150 million on Thursday, after officers and the city's top cop faced months of criticism over the killing of an unarmed Black and Hispanic man, the use of force against anti-police brutality protesters and the investigation of a demonstrator's fatal shooting by another citizen.
iirc, one of those council members suggested we should blow up the police department (that dunce lost the next election)

Then earlier this year the city settled with the rioters.
The city and the police agreed on a long term contract. Then the city reneged, because they want to see the outcome of Prop A

PropA which states, and I quote:
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Shall the voters of Austin adopt an initiated ordinance, circulated by Equity Action, that will deter police misconduct and brutality by strengthening the City's system of independent and transparent civilian police oversight?
Prop A will pass, and no one is going to want to work for the police.
Why the **** would a cop want to work in Austin? It's a city that ****s on its cops. I haven't seen a cop stop anyone for a traffic violation on Mopac in about 2 years. Traffic goes at 80 (during non-rush hours)

In addition, this is a city that also just prosecuted a man for the crime of self defense in the middle of a riot. Can't have people defending themselves, especially against BLM. And the DA has a history of letting criminals go free, because equity. Ask any cop in Austin and they will tell you this. Assault someone with a knife? You're out the next morning.

The result is predictable. Austin is middle of the pack in crime, but is trending in the wrong direction. And a lot of the crimes aren't even being reported. You should absolutely carry if you are anyplace other than inside your suburban house


-I do not live in a pasty white suburban neigborhood. I have stated that I live at Lamar and Rundberg. If you knew Austin you would know it's not white or pasty.

- Some money was taken away from APD but it didn't end up being 150 million as initially pushed through. It ended up being about 30 directly from APD. That money has been given back plus much much more. I have also stated I support what they have gotten and more. Their current budget is higher than it's ever been.

- As I have stated prop a will pass and then go to court to see if it's legal. I don't think democrats are the good guys and they very well could be wrong on its legality.

- I have never said austin is perfect. I stated that it's not and it has issues. Austin has gone from 450k people to over a million people in 25 years. That is over 100% growth, which is wild.

- Austin is starting to have some big city problems, which is expected.

- I simply take issues when people state that Austin is some lawless hellhole that isn't safe. That's simply not the case. It is a move by Gregg Abbott to help make him popular.

I agree on the bit about it not being a lawless hellhole.
Yet.
It is well on it's way, and the city is absolutely accelerating the process.
Calling it big city problems is a cop out. The DA letting criminals go free in the name of equity is a problem
There is a reason the city is not able to hire cops.
Once PropA passes, and it will, this will accelerate the process.

Then there are the petty crimes that aren't reported. Work downtown, you see a lot of bull*****
My work (extremely liberal) announced that they were enforcing badging at the main entrance out of an abundance of caution. Turned out a homeless dude with a knife chased an employee in.
Never told us that little detail.

Also, Abbott has, on multiple occasions sent state troopers in.
He needs to quit doing that so that folks still living in the bubble get to see what they are actually voting for.
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Keeper of The Spirits said:

If you are on this board you will see the same cargo short wearing minivan driving talking bout Jesus on Sunday and spitting on the homeless on Monday crowd come out for every post and basically call it a lawless hell holes because they **** their pants when they see a liberal (of which I am not)


Fwiw, those same people you are criticizing give more personal time and money to charity than most people if you look at survey data. That doesn't exactly square with your analysis of them.

It's fair to say it's not as bad as it could be and some of it is simply the result of urbanization and population growth, but things have gotten dirtier and rougher over the last few years, and the city government seems yo be experimenting with how bad they can let it get before dissatisfaction threatens their power.
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But hey, lets flush another million or so down the toilet anyway and vote on this (yes, I went and did my part anyway):





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MouthBQ98 said:

Keeper of The Spirits said:

If you are on this board you will see the same cargo short wearing minivan driving talking bout Jesus on Sunday and spitting on the homeless on Monday crowd come out for every post and basically call it a lawless hell holes because they **** their pants when they see a liberal (of which I am not)


Fwiw, those same people you are criticizing give more personal time and money to charity than most people if you look at survey data. That doesn't exactly square with your analysis of them.

It's fair to say it's not as bad as it could be and some of it is simply the result of urbanization and population growth, but things have gotten dirtier and rougher over the last few years, and the city government seems yo be experimenting with how bad they can let it get before dissatisfaction threatens their power.


Things change depending on what study you look at but the two factors that seem to be consistent with who donates the most is A) how much money you make. Not surprising but the more you make the larger a percentage you donate B) population density of where you live. For those who have a household income of over $200,000 they generally donate more if they live in more dense areas

There are other factors found in different studies but these are the most consistent
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Four drive-by shootings in less than two weeks leave northeast Austin homes damaged, neighbors calling for help

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/crime/tuffit-lane-shootings/269-dc2b91be-be83-45eb-a403-9e464e2f8edc

Look guys, every big city has 4 drive by shootings in on neighborhood in two weeks. Its called growing pains and I think our overlords are doing a dang good job.
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Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:

Four drive-by shootings in less than two weeks leave northeast Austin homes damaged, neighbors calling for help

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/crime/tuffit-lane-shootings/269-dc2b91be-be83-45eb-a403-9e464e2f8edc

Look guys, every big city has 4 drive by shootings in on neighborhood in two weeks. Its called growing pains and I think our overlords are doing a dang good job.


Totally normal.
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I remember when the homeless guy walked into a bar, threw a rock at a guy and hit him in the head, the victim got stitches, the homeless guy was arrested, and then he reappears on the restaurant's surveillance footage the next day walking around outside. If I was a cop, I wouldn't try as hard either anymore.
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I saw someone here said Abbott sent in the DPS. Keye said City of Austin brought them in.

Hmmm.
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/apd-chief-to-shift-dps-strategy-following-concerns-about-minority-impact-austin-texas-department-of-public-safety#

Kirk Watson and Dan Patrick.
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The Fall Guy said:

I saw someone here said Abbott sent in the DPS. Keye said City of Austin brought them in.

Hmmm.
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/apd-chief-to-shift-dps-strategy-following-concerns-about-minority-impact-austin-texas-department-of-public-safety#

Kirk Watson and Dan Patrick.


New mayor. Kirk Watson made the call

I don't like them being brought in as it feels like you are losing some good Ol American freedom but I get it. It will be needed till APD uses their funded money to hire staff
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Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:

Four drive-by shootings in less than two weeks leave northeast Austin homes damaged, neighbors calling for help

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/crime/tuffit-lane-shootings/269-dc2b91be-be83-45eb-a403-9e464e2f8edc

Look guys, every big city has 4 drive by shootings in on neighborhood in two weeks. Its called growing pains and I think our overlords are doing a dang good job.
Yeah, saw the guy posting about it on reddit and then the news picked it up the next day. Here is his original post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/134kane/i_moved_into_my_house_2_years_ago_in_that_two/
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cityagboy said:

The Fall Guy said:

I saw someone here said Abbott sent in the DPS. Keye said City of Austin brought them in.

Hmmm.
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/apd-chief-to-shift-dps-strategy-following-concerns-about-minority-impact-austin-texas-department-of-public-safety#

Kirk Watson and Dan Patrick.


New mayor. Kirk Watson made the call

I don't like them being brought in as it feels like you are losing some good Ol American freedom but I get it. It will be needed till APD uses their funded money to hire staff
I think Kirk Watson was told this is what's going to happen so you can make it look like youre involved or like you dont have control over your own city.
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Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:

cityagboy said:

The Fall Guy said:

I saw someone here said Abbott sent in the DPS. Keye said City of Austin brought them in.

Hmmm.
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/apd-chief-to-shift-dps-strategy-following-concerns-about-minority-impact-austin-texas-department-of-public-safety#

Kirk Watson and Dan Patrick.


New mayor. Kirk Watson made the call

I don't like them being brought in as it feels like you are losing some good Ol American freedom but I get it. It will be needed till APD uses their funded money to hire staff
I think Kirk Watson was told this is what's going to happen so you can make it look like youre involved or like you dont have control over your own city.


Always a spin. Who knows but it is something Kirk Watson would do…. Not out of character for him to bring DPS in
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Oh let's be clear...the only reason Kirk Watson IS mayor is because the part of Austin that lands in Williamson County voted for him OVERWHELMINGLY. Travis County wanted Isreal so badly. That would have been a disaster for the city.

Look, I did love Austin. It's just not the same. It is suffering growing pains. If it's good for its citizens, fine. It's just not good for me and my family anymore. I wish my former fellow Austinites the best.
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fwiw, i do think kirk watson is a good man. I personally like him. Wish he would stand up for people though, and stop catering to the lunatics.
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cityagboy said:

The Fall Guy said:

I saw someone here said Abbott sent in the DPS. Keye said City of Austin brought them in.

Hmmm.
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/apd-chief-to-shift-dps-strategy-following-concerns-about-minority-impact-austin-texas-department-of-public-safety#

Kirk Watson and Dan Patrick.


New mayor. Kirk Watson made the call

I don't like them being brought in as it feels like you are losing some good Ol American freedom but I get it. It will be needed till APD uses their funded money to hire staff


Lol. If you think APD is going to be able to hire enough new staff to make a difference, given the current DA, the city council, their own leadership, and the lack of a contract, then I don't know what to tell you.
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maverick2076 said:

cityagboy said:

The Fall Guy said:

I saw someone here said Abbott sent in the DPS. Keye said City of Austin brought them in.

Hmmm.
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/apd-chief-to-shift-dps-strategy-following-concerns-about-minority-impact-austin-texas-department-of-public-safety#

Kirk Watson and Dan Patrick.


New mayor. Kirk Watson made the call

I don't like them being brought in as it feels like you are losing some good Ol American freedom but I get it. It will be needed till APD uses their funded money to hire staff


Lol. If you think APD is going to be able to hire enough new staff to make a difference, given the current DA, the city council, their own leadership, and the lack of a contract, then I don't know what to tell you.


LOL. Excuses. Maybe the city should hire a new police chief but the staffing issue is on the department
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cityagboy said:




LOL. Excuses. Maybe the city should hire a new police chief but the staffing issue is on the department
As usual, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. After George Floyd OD'd, the idiotic Austin city council cut the PD's budget by 1/3 and cancelled three cadet classes. You don't just go out an hire cops off the streets. It will take several years just to catch up to where they were 3 years ago. Meanwhile, the city is growing like a weed and officers are quitting and retiring because the city is run by imbeciles.
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Martin Cash said:

cityagboy said:




LOL. Excuses. Maybe the city should hire a new police chief but the staffing issue is on the department
As usual, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. After George Floyd OD'd, the idiotic Austin city council cut the PD's budget by 1/3 and cancelled three cadet classes. You don't just go out an hire cops off the streets. It will take several years just to catch up to where they were 3 years ago. Meanwhile, the city is growing like a weed and officers are quitting and retiring because the city is run by imbeciles.


You obviously don't know about how the budget cuts were actually enacted, where money was taken from, how much was actually taken and where their budget currently stands.

Kirk Watson is a good step in the right direction. He's still a slimy politician but he will be better than Adler.

Those quitting cause they don't like the city can leave for all I care. Bye, go be a cop in some small town, that's an ok job.
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cityagboy said:

maverick2076 said:

cityagboy said:

The Fall Guy said:

I saw someone here said Abbott sent in the DPS. Keye said City of Austin brought them in.

Hmmm.
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/apd-chief-to-shift-dps-strategy-following-concerns-about-minority-impact-austin-texas-department-of-public-safety#

Kirk Watson and Dan Patrick.


New mayor. Kirk Watson made the call

I don't like them being brought in as it feels like you are losing some good Ol American freedom but I get it. It will be needed till APD uses their funded money to hire staff


Lol. If you think APD is going to be able to hire enough new staff to make a difference, given the current DA, the city council, their own leadership, and the lack of a contract, then I don't know what to tell you.


LOL. Excuses. Maybe the city should hire a new police chief but the staffing issue is on the department


Ahh. So you're not just out of touch. You're willfully ignorant of the reasons APD is hemorrhaging officers it can't replace.
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maverick2076 said:

cityagboy said:

maverick2076 said:

cityagboy said:

The Fall Guy said:

I saw someone here said Abbott sent in the DPS. Keye said City of Austin brought them in.

Hmmm.
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/apd-chief-to-shift-dps-strategy-following-concerns-about-minority-impact-austin-texas-department-of-public-safety#

Kirk Watson and Dan Patrick.


New mayor. Kirk Watson made the call

I don't like them being brought in as it feels like you are losing some good Ol American freedom but I get it. It will be needed till APD uses their funded money to hire staff


Lol. If you think APD is going to be able to hire enough new staff to make a difference, given the current DA, the city council, their own leadership, and the lack of a contract, then I don't know what to tell you.


LOL. Excuses. Maybe the city should hire a new police chief but the staffing issue is on the department


Ahh. So you're not just out of touch. You're willfully ignorant of the reasons APD is hemorrhaging officers it can't replace.
Exactly! It doesn't matter what budget Watson puts towards APD if they can't get a contract with the officers done and have a DA and propositions seeking to go after the cops, while continuing to play catch and release with criminals. Cops have a hard enough job when they feel like their department, their city, and their DA have their back. When they feel like more than half the city doesn't want them, the DA is actively seeking to find ways to prosecute them, and the criminals they do manage to catch will just be released with little or no bail, good luck hiring the ones you need to try to catch up.
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Martin Cash said:

cityagboy said:




LOL. Excuses. Maybe the city should hire a new police chief but the staffing issue is on the department
As usual, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. After George Floyd OD'd, the idiotic Austin city council cut the PD's budget by 1/3 and cancelled three cadet classes. You don't just go out an hire cops off the streets. It will take several years just to catch up to where they were 3 years ago. Meanwhile, the city is growing like a weed and officers are quitting and retiring because the city is run by imbeciles.
There bringing in State Troopers to work in Austin every other week. And they are working 12 hour shifts 7 days straight. Two my friends are Troopers. When you have a clear picture what can happen (San Francisco) and don't do a damn thing to change it will happen to Austin just like San Fran. Hell, they are well on their dumbass way.
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Reload8098 said:

Martin Cash said:

cityagboy said:




LOL. Excuses. Maybe the city should hire a new police chief but the staffing issue is on the department
As usual, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. After George Floyd OD'd, the idiotic Austin city council cut the PD's budget by 1/3 and cancelled three cadet classes. You don't just go out an hire cops off the streets. It will take several years just to catch up to where they were 3 years ago. Meanwhile, the city is growing like a weed and officers are quitting and retiring because the city is run by imbeciles.
There bringing in State Troopers to work in Austin every other week. And they are working 12 hour shifts 7 days straight. Two my friends are Troopers. When you have a clear picture what can happen (San Francisco) and don't do a damn thing to change it will happen to Austin just like San Fran. Hell, they are well on their dumbass way.
To their credit, the people of Austin had the wisdom to elect a more moderate mayor and to get rid of some of the radicals on city council. But their efforts to rehab the police are running headfirst into a DA that would rather disband the police than find a way to work with them. San Fran finally got fed up and recalled their DA. Will Austin make the right choice next time they have a chance to change course at DA? Who knows. But the mayor, city council, and police can only do so much when they have the DA working against their combined interests.
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The sliver of Wilco that is in Austin city limits managed to get the least worst mayoral option elected by a very thin margin. And the city council isn't any less extreme by replacing Greg Casar, who left to pursue another office, with someone just as bad. They had the opportunity to help stabilize the PD by accepting the 4 year contract that the last city manager had negotiated. Instead they rejected the contract, fired the city manager, and Watson appointed his buddy as the interim city manager. While Garza is a disaster at DA, there is plenty of blame to go around.
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Reload8098 said:

Martin Cash said:

cityagboy said:




LOL. Excuses. Maybe the city should hire a new police chief but the staffing issue is on the department
As usual, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. After George Floyd OD'd, the idiotic Austin city council cut the PD's budget by 1/3 and cancelled three cadet classes. You don't just go out an hire cops off the streets. It will take several years just to catch up to where they were 3 years ago. Meanwhile, the city is growing like a weed and officers are quitting and retiring because the city is run by imbeciles.
There bringing in State Troopers to work in Austin every other week. And they are working 12 hour shifts 7 days straight. Two my friends are Troopers. When you have a clear picture what can happen (San Francisco) and don't do a damn thing to change it will happen to Austin just like San Fran. Hell, they are well on their dumbass way.



Had dinner with my son last night. He works at an HEB in South Austin. Said it is common for people to shop lift and just walk out. Managers and assett workers don't even stop them anymore. Police won't come anymore so why risk their lives over some merchandise. In a way it's already become like San Francisco in the aspect of letting people get away with stealing. Don't try to confront them either because if the shop lifter gets hurt they will blame the one who tried to stop it.
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Don't try to confront them either because if the shop lifter gets hurt they will blame the one who tried to stop it.
This is what is so damn crazy. You can't even protect your business. I can't wrap my head around this. I don't understand the thinking. Nothing about it is rational. Does anyone have integrity, character, moral fiber anymore? My father, (class of '47) fought in WWII and Korea. He lost a lot of friends, many of which were fellow Aggies. The greatest generation has been royally slapped in the face. I wish the states would just split. The two parties are so far apart, I don't see how this doesn't end very badly.
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He works at an HEB in South Austin.
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