TellMeMore said:

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Remember Consol is WAY behind the curve because the Board was so excited about a new shiny high school they forgot to elevate Consol at least to some degree. Then the Prop failed. Do what you need to, but there is no reason the Consol folks should have to wait in hallways because a School Board wanted their name on the plaques of a New High School. WO HOW.....LOOK AT US!

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The only thing accurate about that statement is that Consol was hurt by the other proposition failing.

Another high school had to be built. Funds for the new school couldn't be used to upgrade Consol. The plan was to get the new school built in order to ease the massive overcrowding at Consol first. Then pass another bond for a bunch of upgrades at Consol. It had to be done in that order.

A bunch of people that didn't have kids in school defeated the proposition. And before you blame the "purple parents" for that proposition failing, there was a huge push by CSHS parents and the booster club to get people to vote "yes" on those upgrades.

Just like there is for this proposition.

It's people like that who are holding the school district back.

BCSWguru said:

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fair answers. Why can a tiny school like Brazos Christian self fund a new turf football field and facilities, yet Consol cannot? Why must the tax payer fund these elaborate projects? When will all of this money be used to make the schools better?

I dont care one way or the other as my kids are done, but why can other schools get by with less and CS schools need more?

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Brazos Christian is a private school and doesn't have to get any type of tax payer approval. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Well, then you are shortsighted in what can make for a successful professional. Studies (and logic) show participating in team sports makes better doctors. https://www.catapult.com/blog/athletes-becoming-doctors-why-do-athletes-excel-in-the-medical-profession

Also, your implication that learning both in the classroom and in a team sport environment can't be achieved is also very close-minded - and would be the type of opinion I would expect from someone that never had to learn to work with others in sports or other settings with those that think differently.

BCSWguru said:

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fair answers. Why can a tiny school like Brazos Christian self fund a new turf football field and facilities, yet Consol cannot? Why must the tax payer fund these elaborate projects? When will all of this money be used to make the schools better?

I dont care one way or the other as my kids are done, but why can other schools get by with less and CS schools need more?

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I'm a little confused by this question. Brazos Christian is private, so everything is funded by donations and tuition, i.e., self-funded. Taxpayers are never involved. This includes academic as well as athletic facilities. CSISD is a public school and is a available to all students in the district, including those whose families can't pay, those needing special services, etc. Taxpayers are pretty much the funding source. Or are you saying the booster club should raise many millions for core infrastructure projects? I thought the booster club was there to boost, not to meet core needs.

As to why other schools get by with less, I think the fair comparison is other large suburban publics--Magnolia, Katy, Cy-Fair... Having been to a good number of other such schools for my kids' activities, I'm pretty confident we're usually the ones getting by with less by that measure, not the other way around.

Those of you saying " I'm not paying the bill"

You realize CSISD tax rate was $1.39 in 2017, it is now .96 cents and if this bond passes
It would raise tax rate to .98 cents
A .2 cent increase per $100

2 cents people

There has been a .43 cent decrease since 2017… so even if the bond passes it's still cheaper than we were just 6 years ago

Aggie said:

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Those of you saying " I'm not paying the bill"

You realize CSISD tax rate was $1.39 in 2017, it is now .96 cents and if this bond passes
It would raise tax rate to .98 cents

.2 cents people

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That would mean a lot more if my assessed valued hadn't gone up 70% since 2017

Maybe the School District should buy up one of the available spaces at Post Oak Mall? That would solve their admin building issues. I hear the city may have one… maybe buy it on the cheap?

I'd wager that the folks that have their taxes frozen are a lot more cavalier about that 2 cent hike they aren't paying.

BCSWguru said:

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fair answers. Why can a tiny school like Brazos Christian self fund a new turf football field and facilities, yet Consol cannot? Why must the tax payer fund these elaborate projects? When will all of this money be used to make the schools better?

I dont care one way or the other as my kids are done, but why can other schools get by with less and CS schools need more?

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Brazos Christian doesn't have to fund 14,000+ students and all that entails. They don't have to enroll special needs kids, kids that are troubled, and illegals who can't speak English. That's just a few differences.

Aggie said:

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Those of you saying " I'm not paying the bill"

You realize CSISD tax rate was $1.39 in 2017, it is now .96 cents and if this bond passes
It would raise tax rate to .98 cents
A .2 cent increase per $100

2 cents people

There has been a .43 cent decrease since 2017… so even if the bond passes it's still cheaper than we were just 6 years ago

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96 cents, not .96
98 cents, not .98
2 cents, not .2
43 cents, not .43

Also, most appraised values have gone up by at least 50% since 2017

BCSWguru said:

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fair answers. Why can a tiny school like Brazos Christian self fund a new turf football field and facilities, yet Consol cannot? Why must the tax payer fund these elaborate projects? When will all of this money be used to make the schools better?

I dont care one way or the other as my kids are done, but why can other schools get by with less and CS schools need more?

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Brazos Christian can take out a loan, say using the existing buildings as collateral, and then pay the loan back over time with whatever revenue sources they have.

CSISD has to go to the voters to issue a bond (take out a loan). Boosters club doesn't have the assets or authority to get a loan on what is essentially school property. To self fund, CSISD Boosters would have to raise millions before they could build a new facility.

Shared athletic facilities should have been built when CSHS was built.

Because my math skills stink, how much is this going to cost on average to a $400k household a year if all 4 pass?


And honestly it doesn't really matter to me personally, as I am voting YES for all 4. Just wondering how much it impacts the average household since many are quite upset over it.

I'm having to do the research as a new resident of College Station. I've always been a hard no on school bond issues but that is because I moved from the 3rd largest school district in Texas CFISD. It sickened me to no ends the amount of bond money that was passed to improve the district and it went to Taj Mahals for the Administration and a Sports Facility that was truly needed as the total number of schools made it impossible to schedule football games even including Thursday games and added 2 Saturday games with old Pridgeon Stadium.

The snuck in an all types of offices with that complex and 10 years later, built a massive Admin building besides Cy Fair High School. Like most ISD, they schedule the votes on off ballot days when nothing else is being voted on and the voting locations were in schools so teachers could all vote like good little soldiers.

Reading what has been provided and from what I've seen on the CSISD complex's, it sounds like the bonds need to be passed. If you have mold, water leaks and rodents that is unacceptable and I don't care if your kid goes to the other high school. I was shocked at the sports facilities at both schools but that's coming from CFISD. I will say that the Dallas area schools spend way more on sports facilities and indoor practice facilities than I would ever be willing to pay for as a tax payer.

SARATOGA said:

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You know you can argue the assessed value right ?

I argue every year, sometimes successfully, sometimes not. But there are 2 parts to the equation (the rate) and the assessed value. They both don't have to go up. It seems the rate has gone down. The value can (on some years) go down too. You just have to be willing to fight.

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My appraisal is appealed by a company every year and still up 86% since 2017. The final certified value has gone up every year since 2013 when we moved here so I would like to know what years it is going down. The old city, county or isd argument that we "cut your taxes" because tax rates were reduced is a bunch of crap.

I haven't decided how I'm going to vote on the bonds but let's not try to pretend the difference in tax rates between 2017 and now was a tax decrease.

BCSWguru said:

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I'm not well versed on it, but I see the stadiums in McKinney, Cy-Fair, Katy, etc and that seems to be the trend. Way too much. BC has a high school enrollment of 143 and they somehow have a new field, new gym, and are adding more. And they play football every Friday night, just like public schools with 8-figure stadiums. Go to any of the high dollar private schools (Episcopal, Kinkaid, St Johns) in Houston and you will see their athletic facilities are very lacking in comparison to the public schools. Its very obvious all of this excess is not needed. You cite the pool as an example, but does the school need a pool? Why cant we have a public pool the school can use just like everyone else?

I'm all for keeping facilities up. I'm tired of the excess at my growing expense.

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The public pools in BCS are outdoor facilities and not very suitable for high school swimming. College Station pools in particular are only open in the summer, while the high school swim season is roughly September-February. I think Bryan High uses an outdoor public pool for part of their swim season, but I can't imagine that would work very consistently in January-February. So are you proposing to put the city taxpayers on the hook for a natatorium so the school kids can use it...?

I agree that some of the stadiums around Texas seem a bit much. Not sure how ours will stack up after renovations. I'm pretty convinced the field house upgrades that are part of the football package are needed; that seems clear enough. I also have little doubt that the AMCHS stadium in particular needs some work, but as to where $20 million will get it relative to some of those Cadillac stadiums, I frankly don't know. The cost is a fraction of what some districts are spending on new stadiums now, but it does sound like a good chunk of change.

On the other hand, the district is claiming the overall bond will lead to a $.02 cents/$100 tax increase. If you calculate the tax increase caused by just the two athletic bonds (C&D), I came to about $26/year on a $1 million home, or $12/year on a $500000 home. A tax increase is a tax increase, but that doesn't seem backbreaking. Factor in that it's pretty clear that at least a good chunk of that money is needed just to get us back to functional. I also think that if the district is going to renovations, they should do them right so they have good facilities for a good while into the future. Doing that just plain costs money. I'm OK with what they're proposing.

BCSWguru said:

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has nothing to do with outlandish athletics spending.

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You need to request a tour. You have no idea what you are talking about. There is no NEW stadium. They are adding metal bleacher seating. They are fixing the press box and adding sq footage to the fieldhouse to accommodate the NUMBER of students that participate NOW. The training room is so small people lay on the floor on mats and in the hallways to see the trainer in the morning. They can't even put all of the kids in the fieldhouse as teams are spread out.