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kyledr04 said:

I wish suppressors didn't even need the 4473. That would make it much harder to walk back.

They're still considered firearms with a serial number......
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agracer said:

kyledr04 said:

I wish suppressors didn't even need the 4473. That would make it much harder to walk back.

They're still considered firearms with a serial number......


Which is still stupid because they do nothing to shoot the projectile. It's like putting a serial number on a barrel
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One Ruger I have never owned but always wanted was a P89. When I first got in the pawn business in 2000 right out of college those things were all over Houston. Every location had two or three for sale and ten in pawn in the back. They feel like a tank.

I have no good reason not to already have one.
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Is anybody aware of someone who has recently purchased a suppressor by just doing form 4473 and the back ground check?

Other than the politicians who did it awhile back.

Trying to figure out if suppressors are truely over the counter purchases yet.
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Steeltoe05 said:

Is anybody aware of someone who has recently purchased a suppressor by just doing form 4473 and the back ground check?

Other than the politicians who did it awhile back.

Trying to figure out if suppressors are truely over the counter purchases yet.


I am picking one up on Tuesday and doing just a 4473.
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I did one Thursday at our local little gun store.
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Gunny456 said:

Most all the firearms, if not all, that are being dropped by Ruger were all built after 1947. I fail to understand where he comes up with that date. Just saying.


I made a tongue in cheek reference to the Ruger thread because several of the folks bemoaning the decisions Ruger made in that thread repeatedly make a point to talk **** about my guns in thread after thread. Sure enough, one of them was helpful enough to come over and do it again in this thread when I made that reference.
I've owned a Blackhawk, I own a SAA clone, I don't have any particular dislike for Rugers. Single action revolvers just aren't my main interest in guns, despite having owned a few. So you'll have to forgive my not knowing the exact history of Ruger when making the comment, because it wasn't really about Ruger.

I just truly don't understand people who are incapable of seeing something that doesn't fit their personal preferences and just scrolling past or moving on to something they like instead of being an ass to someone who likes something else. If I thought like them, I guess I would have posted in that Ruger thread something dumb like "I'm glad the Blackhawk is going away, the only people who gave a crap about them are 70 and grew up watching cowboy movies. SAAs are old fudd crap anyway".

But I didn't, because 1) I don't think that, and 2) if I did think that, I can't imagine wasting my time and energy posting like an ******* instead of just....scrolling by.

Anyway, that's all it was in reference to, I don't have a thing against Rugers.

I'll post my new can relevant to this thread on Tuesday when I pick it up. Spoiler alert for all the delicate flowers out there: it's probably going to be put on a gun you think is ugly. Your comments will be fresh and original, I am sure.

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I honestly don't remember ever commenting negatively on one of your gun threads. But sorry if I have.
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AvsB said:

What no MAC-10?


They are cheap and I am occasionally tempted to buy one just because.

Wish I'd bought one of the registered full auto ones when they were an "affordable" machine gun 20 years ago.

Closest thing I have is this patch that makes me laugh every time I see it.



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My post wasn't in reference to your "tongue in cheek" Ruger comment. It was the 1947 part of that comment that I didn't get.
Carry On.
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Gunny456 said:

My post wasn't in reference to your "tongue in cheek" Ruger comment. It was the 1947 part of that comment that I didn't get.
Carry On.


It was a random arbitrary date to make the point.

I had no idea when Ruger was founded.
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Got it. Understand
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One more question for the group: did anyone else have pending form 1s clear morning of Oct 9th.

Submitted one Oct 1st and one Oct 5th and both came back early that morning before the Oct 9 statement.

My typical timing.

Curious if they just batch approved all pending F1s that morning.
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Eta: stupid age restricted bs.

Its a lawyer going over the atf ruling/potential issues.

Worth a watch as yall decide how to do things moving forward.
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So I gotta say your collection is cool. As I said I like all guns. You have peaked my interest on these kind of firearms.
I have a guy working on my place with a forestry mulcher and after we got home from church I went to check on him and how it was going.
He said "Hey you gotta see my new toy"..and showed me what I am posting pictures of. He let me shoot it and I gotta say I think I'm hooked. Man was it fun!
He told me it's a Kel -Tec CP33 ( which he said they quit making).
Being that you are definitely our resident expert on firearms like this, could you please take a look at the pics and tell me if all of things he put together are any good?
Our little gun store where he bought this has another just like this still in stock for sale.
This is totally out of my wheelhouse and I don't know "come here from sic'em" about guns like these.
I just know it was cool and fun to shoot and it got me hooked.
What advice can you share? Is it good or piece of junk? I'll trust what you say.
Sorry a couple of pics are out of focus but I figured you would know what it all is.
Much obliged for any thoughts.
Thanks in advance sir.






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I have a CP33 with a brace as well. The light and optic look like cheap Amazon stuff, but that's fine for a range toy. It's a fun little gun, runs great suppressed, and is very accurate. As far as I know they are still making them.
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That would be par for the accy's for our little gun store here in hillbilly land. Their market is beer, bait and ammo type of folks.
The one they have is just the upper and Kel
Tec CP33 and the brace. It doesn't have an optic or light on it yet.
Thank you for the input sir. Much appreciated!
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Gunny456 said:


He told me it's a Kel -Tec CP33

What advice can you share? Is it good or piece of junk? I'll trust what you say.



Kel Tec are outstanding at thinking outside the box and designing cool stuff.

I haven't owned, shot or even handled a CP33 so I can't share anything good or bad about the gun. Accessories are all cheap in a bad way (other than the Dead Air Mask can).

I did own a Sub2K way back in the day. It was okay, but Keltecs QC/fit and finish/reliability has always had a reputation as being not nearly as good as their design work. I don't sell guns very often but I did sell that sub2k, it didn't really do anything other guns didn't do better, imo.

Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.
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Thank you for the reply.
I would basically just have fun with it here at the ranch shooting, armadillos, turtles and just fun plinking.
If you were going to buy a .22 like that type what would you put together for you?
Again TIA

ETA: Or would you not go the .22 route at all?
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Gunny456 said:

If you were going to buy a .22 like that type what would you put together for you?


Oh, I would get weird with it.

Samson Mfg makes a reproduction AC-556 stock for the Ruger 10/22.

I saw this picture like two years ago and its lived rent free in my head ever since. Someone cut down their 10/22 barrel to make the front of their suppressor fit flush to the Samson B TM stock and its freaking awesome. So this exact build is what I would (and may someday) recreate.

ETA: Except I might do an integrally suppressed barrel instead of a thread on can.



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Man I like that too! Thank you for all the insight! I gotta look at this for sure.
Good shooting sir.
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There are some many fun things you can do with a 10/22 in rifle or the Charger form.

If you want to break the bank, get the volquarsten in the PC charger version. (ENV PISTOL)
- https://volquartsen.com/departments/pistols/products/1383-env-pistol

You can also go with a custom build (I'm working on one like the pic below) I can get the links together and send them to you

Or just snag a 10/22 takedown rifle and get a suppressor and life is good.

22 is one of the best, cheap, and most fun to shoot.

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Goodness. Lots to look at now. Thank you for the input. Yes please on the links. Appreciate it greatly.
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Go check out Rimfire Central if you really want to go down the custom 10/22 rabbit hole.
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Thanks
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My collection of sub/PDW right now.

Top-6" 300BLK
Mid- PSA AR-V with Novox Reaearch SD barrel. 115s stay subsonic.
Bottom- AR9 with AS Designs super safety

I build all my rigs with the Stern Defense RAB-AD butt stock. Love them. Like the Law folder but don't like the extra width it created in small bags.

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Pretty damn cool. Nice collection.
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TheGifGuy said:

agracer said:

kyledr04 said:

I wish suppressors didn't even need the 4473. That would make it much harder to walk back.

They're still considered firearms with a serial number......


Which is still stupid because they do nothing to shoot the projectile. It's like putting a serial number on a barrel

Oh, I don't disagree, just some folks don't realize why the 4473 is required.
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as I have never owned a can before, what is a good option for a 556 that won't completely break the bank. while I'm likely to spend more down the road, what is a good starter can for $500-$750 (or does that even exist)?
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NPH- said:

as I have never owned a can before, what is a good option for a 556 that won't completely break the bank. while I'm likely to spend more down the road, what is a good starter can for $500-$750 (or does that even exist)?

Several in that space.

Otter Creek Labs Polonium will probably be the best option.

As always - check the Pew Science Rankings - https://pewscience.com/rankings
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NPH- said:

as I have never owned a can before, what is a good option for a 556 that won't completely break the bank. while I'm likely to spend more down the road, what is a good starter can for $500-$750 (or does that even exist)?

Resilient Stacy's Mom 556K
CMMG Zeroed suppressors
Exigent Defense LE556 or Street Goblin 556
Yankee Hill makes good, affordable and strong suppressors

If you are looking for a dedicated 5.56 can then good on you. If you want something that can swap between calibers you will want to get a 30 or 36 sized can. You lose a little decibel suppression on 556 but you can swap to a 300 blackout, 9mm, etc...But 556 isn't ever going to be whisper quiet anywho.


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NPH- said:

as I have never owned a can before, what is a good option for a 556 that won't completely break the bank. while I'm likely to spend more down the road, what is a good starter can for $500-$750 (or does that even exist)?

I got a YMH fat cat for this exact price range as a dedicated 556 can. Its a little funny looking but it performs really really well.

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I think any 30 cal suppressor will work fine for 556 up to 308 and there are lots of lower priced ones your LGS will show you or try to sell you on.

I got a Q Trash Panda for my 300bo. Makes the subsonic rounds almost whisper quiet, but the idea is, if I get an AR10 in 308 in the future (soon), I can put the Q muzzle device (cherry bomb) on it, so I can easily switch the can between rifles for either 300bo on AR15 (or 556 for you) or the AR10 for larger 308.

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I started with my first suppressor about 12 years ago to use on a .300 Whisper (predecessor to the .300 BO). I built a bolt gun for it. Handload for it for subsonic for shooting pigs on the ranch.
Bought it in an Advanced Armament .30 cal suppressor. It's pellet gun quiet.
I've used that supressor on my 5.56 AR and a .223 Sako bolt gun ( and on some other .22 cal rifles) supersonic.
I like to prarie dog hunt so had some traditional bolt guns threaded. .220 Swift, 22-250, etc. I bought dedicated .22 cal suppressors for them.
They seem more quiet with the dedicated caliber suppressors than using the .30 AA on them….at least to my old ears they are.
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I'm a novice that knows next to nothing. Just offering to the 556 guy's question what I was sold for my 300bo. The knowledge that comes out of Gunny and Bender and some of others' posts on here amazes me.
 
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