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tamc93 said:

I had that as my primary reason to want to keep it, but was curious of other benefits that I am not seeing right now.


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SharkinAg
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So if we are purchasing them the way this reads now, it would be as an individual, correct? Can these then be put into an existing trust relatively easy? My current suppressors are in a trust.
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TX_COWDOC said:

Yes- in my (attorney's) opinion - you should put your firearms in a trust so that they are not subject to public record probate upon your death.

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More power to you on that. Just have a plan, heaven forbid, that something doesn't happen to those kids before you pass. Good close friend had his two sons die before him. One died with cancer, one in a car wreck.
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kyledr04 said:

The future risk section of the FAQ is concerning.


Yes, the way I read it, basically they have just decided to stop enforcing the regulations, and when a less 2A administration takes over they can just start enforcing them again and anyone with "unregistered" NFA items will be in possession of illegal contraband that could need to be registered or destroyed immediately. No mention of the possible criminal charges possessing such could cause.

Great second step in this journey, with the court cases being the first step, but we're not fully safe until the NFA is repealed or at least amended to no longer include these items.
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Heads over to https://gun.deals/category/nfa to start shopping.
This site is great for searching if y'all don't know about it.
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Roger350 said:

kyledr04 said:

The future risk section of the FAQ is concerning.


Yes, the way I read it, basically they have just decided to stop enforcing the regulations, and when a less 2A administration takes over they can just start enforcing them again and anyone with "unregistered" NFA items will be in possession of illegal contraband that could need to be registered or destroyed immediately. No mention of the possible criminal charges possessing such could cause.

Great second step in this journey, with the court cases being the first step, but we're not fully safe until the NFA is repealed or at least amended to no longer include these items.



Won't there be legal precedent showing common use and set the stage for further suits?
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Roger350
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Sure hope so, and it seems reasonable to think so, I just think the wording and overall position that they are just no longer enforcing things that are still on the books is troubling and open to the whim of politicians and the very ATF we don't trust.
redaszag99
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It is over!

There are about to be tens of millions of suppressors bought on 4473

The cat is out of the bag




Roger350
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Suppressor have to be totally safe, agreed, it's the SBRs that concern me a little. But I doubt it will stop me from shopping for something new and fun in the SBR realm.
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Oh wow. Guess I won't be tempted anymore? I can just….do it?
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I laughed out loud at that hah
kyledr04
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I wish suppressors didn't even need the 4473. That would make it much harder to walk back.
TheGifGuy
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I just went to the LGS, damn it was hard to not walk out with a few more
normaleagle05
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It's time to get competent with a lathe and a mill.

Anybody have a plan for an easy first DIY 22lr can?
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kyledr04 said:

I wish suppressors didn't even need the 4473. That would make it much harder to walk back.


this is where I'm at. it's not a firearm.
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Roger350 said:

kyledr04 said:

The future risk section of the FAQ is concerning.


Yes, the way I read it, basically they have just decided to stop enforcing the regulations, and when a less 2A administration takes over they can just start enforcing them again and anyone with "unregistered" NFA items will be in possession of illegal contraband that could need to be registered or destroyed immediately. No mention of the possible criminal charges possessing such could cause.

Great second step in this journey, with the court cases being the first step, but we're not fully safe until the NFA is repealed or at least amended to no longer include these items.

That is a scary possibility, and not an unforeseen one. If a future administration chooses to start enforcing these restrictions again, there will be more challenges and a need for more intervention by the courts. If enough people take advantage of this period, perhaps an "in common use" defense will be possible under Heller at that time, but I agree, the NFA needs to go.
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oldyeller said:

Roger350 said:

kyledr04 said:

The future risk section of the FAQ is concerning.


Yes, the way I read it, basically they have just decided to stop enforcing the regulations, and when a less 2A administration takes over they can just start enforcing them again and anyone with "unregistered" NFA items will be in possession of illegal contraband that could need to be registered or destroyed immediately. No mention of the possible criminal charges possessing such could cause.

Great second step in this journey, with the court cases being the first step, but we're not fully safe until the NFA is repealed or at least amended to no longer include these items.

That is a scary possibility, and not an unforeseen one. If a future administration chooses to start enforcing these restrictions again, there will be more challenges and a need for more intervention by the courts. If enough people take advantage of this period, perhaps an "in common use" defense will be possible under Heller at that time, but I agree, the NFA needs to go.




This was the whole point of GOA and FPCs suits. Common use will set precedent and weight the decision towards deregulation.
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Has anyone seen clear guidance on what rules still apply to convert from a rifle to SBR now that Form 1 isn't required? Do you still have to "manufacture" it and engrave with name, city/state, serial number?
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Just so I'm clear, all of this ATF crap can be switched back and forth at the flick of a pencil right? So we just kinda buy what we want and make hay while the sun shines yes?
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BrazosDog02 said:

Just so I'm clear, all of this ATF crap can be switched back and forth at the flick of a pencil right? So we just kinda buy what we want and make hay while the sun shines yes?


That is my understanding but it would immediately go to court again and I think the next step (and started with the tax $) is that one could argue common use.
AvsB
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Another question. What happens to NFA Gun Trusts. Now that there is no tax or registration. Seems like now anyone legal to do so could use my SBR, SBS or suppressors without being on trust or within my supervision. So what is a fun trust needed for now?
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AvsB said:

Another question. What happens to NFA Gun Trusts. Now that there is no tax or registration. Seems like now anyone legal to do so could use my SBR, SBS or suppressors without being on trust or within my supervision. So what is a fun trust needed for now?


Maybe protecting them from disclosure during probate or other legal issues? Idk. I'm keeping mine.
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Those little oil filter adapters that fit onto threaded barrels should be A-OK now. Everyone enjoy.
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AvsB
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techno-ag said:

Those little oil filter adapters that fit onto threaded barrels should be A-OK now. Everyone enjoy.


And all those solvent traps
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CivilEng08 said:

Has anyone seen clear guidance on what rules still apply to convert from a rifle to SBR now that Form 1 isn't required? Do you still have to "manufacture" it and engrave with name, city/state, serial number?


Clear guidance is in the article posted. No more marking requirements.
CivilEng08
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Maybe you can help me out then, because I missed it if it was there in either of the links on the first page.
maverick2076
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Sorry, I misremembered. It's in the FAQ's linked on the ATF page. Look under ATF Response to the District Court Ruling for Non-Parties. It's under the question "What about persons not covered by the injunction? Will ATF apply this ruling nationally?" It specifically calls out "The NFA requirement to mark all NFA firearms" as something that is no longer being enforced.
CivilEng08
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Thanks! I read that FAQ a few times, and I had missed that. I kept getting hung up on all of the statements about all other provisions of the GCA still apply.
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redaszag99 said:

It is over!

There are about to be tens of millions of suppressors bought on 4473

The cat is out of the bag






Suppressors shouldn't even be on a 4473. They should be hanging on a peghook, down an aisle next to the other firearm accessories.
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Man, just gotta say, never thought I'd see the day. Still a lot of fighting for 2A to go of course but this is such a massive victory that I never would have thought possible even 18 months ago. I was straight pessimistic about anything firearm related and government oversight. Beyond happy to eat crow about that. Extremely thankful for all the faceless men and women behind the scenes working tirelessly on this stuff for us.
AvsB
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Say what you want about PSA but they were in this fight from day one when a lot of the top tier manufacturers were not.
maverick2076
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I have no idea why PSA gets hate from anyone. They consistently put out good firearms at multiple price points, and almost all of them are a great value for the money. They manufacture ammo, suppressors, historical clones, new and innovative designs, and they sell a huge array of products. They are always actively involved in pro-2A legislation and litigation. They listen to their customers, and they stand behind their products.

The only complaint I could see having any validity is that they showcase awesome designs/concepts that are slower to market than people want. But that is a testament to both their R&D process not taking shortcuts and the fact that they are listening to their customer and building things they want.
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PSA is great! My only compliant with them is on their dagger pistols. They have been finicky on which mags they like but otherwise all of my rifle lowers, uppers, etc. have worked flawlessly
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So can i just slap a short upper on my rifle lower or not?

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