GeorgiAg said:shalackin said:
why would a supposed conservative, trump appointed, AG allow the DOJ to appeal this against the 2A?
Right now, this is not binding nationwide. A Federal Court in Cali or NY could come out with an opposite holding. We don't want that and like the judge's order here So we NEED this to get appealed to the 5th Circuit and on to the S.Ct. for a nationwide ruling.
GeorgiAg said:shalackin said:
why would a supposed conservative, trump appointed, AG allow the DOJ to appeal this against the 2A?
Right now, this is not binding nationwide. A Federal Court in Cali or NY could come out with an opposite holding. We don't want that and like the judge's order here So we NEED this to get appealed to the 5th Circuit and on to the S.Ct. for a nationwide ruling.
The Sun said:GeorgiAg said:shalackin said:
why would a supposed conservative, trump appointed, AG allow the DOJ to appeal this against the 2A?
Right now, this is not binding nationwide. A Federal Court in Cali or NY could come out with an opposite holding. We don't want that and like the judge's order here So we NEED this to get appealed to the 5th Circuit and on to the S.Ct. for a nationwide ruling.
Hey GA...what happens if DOJ/ATF decides not to appeal? Does the district court then issue a nationwide injunction? Or does this particular group just get to start buying stuff with no stamp and the rest of the country has to keep on as is?
Milwaukees Best Light said:
Any reason I should wait until October to buy my first suppressor? Or just go ahead and get one?
Milwaukees Best Light said:
Any reason I should wait until October to buy my first suppressor? Or just go ahead and get one?
GeorgiAg said:
the worst thing that ever happened was when these were called "silencers" ……
🚨BREAKING🚨
— Gun Owners of America (@GunOwners) August 12, 2026
GOA, @SilencerShop, @TheAKGuy, & @WesVirdellTX have officially notified ATF & DOJ of our intent to transfer suppressors tonight, at 12:01AM CDT on 8/13/26, without complying with the currently enjoined requirements of the National Firearms Act of 1934. https://t.co/iyr4teQtN9 pic.twitter.com/iYEbbcryMo
Sounds like the people who were granted relief are going to go ahead and act on that after midnight.TacosaurusRex said:
I thought we already knew this part? That the people that were named were granted relief, but not for the rest of us. What does this change?
GeorgiAg said:
I would LOVE to be wrong on my "there has to be an appeal" opinion.
tk111 said:GeorgiAg said:
I would LOVE to be wrong on my "there has to be an appeal" opinion.
Someone is gonna throw one out at like 11:59 tonight just to twist the knife hard in the heart of hope.
techno-ag said:TacosaurusRex said:
I thought we already knew this part? That the people that were named were granted relief, but not for the rest of us. What does this change?
Sounds like the people who were granted relief are going to go ahead and act on that after midnight.
GeorgiAg said:tk111 said:GeorgiAg said:
I would LOVE to be wrong on my "there has to be an appeal" opinion.
Someone is gonna throw one out at like 11:59 tonight just to twist the knife hard in the heart of hope.
Yep. Not sure if it'll appear on Courtlistener since the petition would be for the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals to extend the stay. I've only been to the Eleventh Circuit COA once and that's my only experience in Federal Appellate Court. That was a while back and I forget the process.
Also, Courtlistener picks up on PACER filings - not sure about what their delay is. I'm not logging into PACER for this - doesn't cost much but is a PITA.
TacosaurusRex said:
I thought we already knew this part? That the people that were named were granted relief, but not for the rest of us. What does this change?
TacosaurusRex said:
I thought we already knew this part? That the people that were named were granted relief, but not for the rest of us. What does this change?
tk111 said:GeorgiAg said:
I would LOVE to be wrong on my "there has to be an appeal" opinion.
Someone is gonna throw one out at like 11:59 tonight just to twist the knife hard in the heart of hope.
The Sun said:
Interesting...🚨BREAKING🚨
— Gun Owners of America (@GunOwners) August 12, 2026
GOA, @SilencerShop, @TheAKGuy, & @WesVirdellTX have officially notified ATF & DOJ of our intent to transfer suppressors tonight, at 12:01AM CDT on 8/13/26, without complying with the currently enjoined requirements of the National Firearms Act of 1934. https://t.co/iyr4teQtN9 pic.twitter.com/iYEbbcryMo
schmellba99 said:TacosaurusRex said:
I thought we already knew this part? That the people that were named were granted relief, but not for the rest of us. What does this change?
Dumb question -
I understand that in some instances, court opinions or verdicts only apply to those specifically listed in the suit. But this is way different IMO - the court has determined that a law is unconstitutional. It would be equally unconstitutional for a law to be declared unconstitutional for some people, but not others.
It's a law. It is either a law or it is not a law, there is nothing that, IMO, would prevent the declaration of the law being null and void from not applying to everybody since that same law applied to everybody when it was created.
The Sun said:schmellba99 said:TacosaurusRex said:
I thought we already knew this part? That the people that were named were granted relief, but not for the rest of us. What does this change?
Dumb question -
I understand that in some instances, court opinions or verdicts only apply to those specifically listed in the suit. But this is way different IMO - the court has determined that a law is unconstitutional. It would be equally unconstitutional for a law to be declared unconstitutional for some people, but not others.
It's a law. It is either a law or it is not a law, there is nothing that, IMO, would prevent the declaration of the law being null and void from not applying to everybody since that same law applied to everybody when it was created.
My logical brain agrees with you. The way it should go would be once the seven days to appeal is up, it should apply nationally since DOJ is the only party with standing to appeal. For whatever reason, it seems like that isn't the case which to me does not compute.
I hate the legal system.
The Sun said:
Gotcha. I thought the seven days applies to the appeal also. Does it become nationally applicable if the appeal deadline comes and goes in October?
So yeah, this is set up to be a cluster however...
...what if that's exactly the point? Behind the scenes agreement to make such a huge mess that DOJ has no choice but to concede?
GeorgiAg said:The Sun said:schmellba99 said:TacosaurusRex said:
I thought we already knew this part? That the people that were named were granted relief, but not for the rest of us. What does this change?
Dumb question -
I understand that in some instances, court opinions or verdicts only apply to those specifically listed in the suit. But this is way different IMO - the court has determined that a law is unconstitutional. It would be equally unconstitutional for a law to be declared unconstitutional for some people, but not others.
It's a law. It is either a law or it is not a law, there is nothing that, IMO, would prevent the declaration of the law being null and void from not applying to everybody since that same law applied to everybody when it was created.
My logical brain agrees with you. The way it should go would be once the seven days to appeal is up, it should apply nationally since DOJ is the only party with standing to appeal. For whatever reason, it seems like that isn't the case which to me does not compute.
I hate the legal system.
A Federal District Court Judge in Texas does not have that kind of nationwide power.
The seven-day period is only for the stay on the injunction on enforcing the law.
Law still there.
Court issued an injunction against the ATF from enforcement.
Court issued a stay (pause) on the injunction.
The time for appeal would run in October, I believe. So the nightmare scenario I posted earlier is possible. SS and GOA guys go nuts buying suppressors. ATF appeals and wins. All those guys have illegal suppressors.
They would have to have some kind of amnesty period but still, what a mess.
Come on ATF, just say you aren't going to enforce registration anymore nationwide!
GeorgiAg said:The Sun said:
Gotcha. I thought the seven days applies to the appeal also. Does it become nationally applicable if the appeal deadline comes and goes in October?
So yeah, this is set up to be a cluster however...
...what if that's exactly the point? Behind the scenes agreement to make such a huge mess that DOJ has no choice but to concede?
ATF would be enjoined from enforcement nationwide against the named entities. Gotta check your state law as well, though.
If the ATF lets the stay lapse, I don't see how they don't just abandon registration entirely. All other companies then IMMEDIATELY have what - monopoly, due process, equal protection issues? This sounds like a Con Law final or a bar exam question. What a damn mess.
Silencer Shop and GOA customers/members would have a field day buying SBRs and suppressors. Everyone else is not going to sit by quietly. Also, how is ATF going to figure out exactly what suppressor is Silencer Shop? Cop walks up - "it's a Silencer Shop can, bro!" Wife threw away the receipt. Also, wjould it only apply to members of GOA at the time of filing? If not, then you just have to sign up for GOA when you buy your can or SBR.
turf guy ag said:
Could see it opening up some similar lines of thought on the private sale side. "If anyone asks, tell them you bought it through silencer shop, it's all good."
txags92 said:GeorgiAg said:The Sun said:
Gotcha. I thought the seven days applies to the appeal also. Does it become nationally applicable if the appeal deadline comes and goes in October?
So yeah, this is set up to be a cluster however...
...what if that's exactly the point? Behind the scenes agreement to make such a huge mess that DOJ has no choice but to concede?
ATF would be enjoined from enforcement nationwide against the named entities. Gotta check your state law as well, though.
If the ATF lets the stay lapse, I don't see how they don't just abandon registration entirely. All other companies then IMMEDIATELY have what - monopoly, due process, equal protection issues? This sounds like a Con Law final or a bar exam question. What a damn mess.
Silencer Shop and GOA customers/members would have a field day buying SBRs and suppressors. Everyone else is not going to sit by quietly. Also, how is ATF going to figure out exactly what suppressor is Silencer Shop? Cop walks up - "it's a Silencer Shop can, bro!" Wife threw away the receipt. Also, wjould it only apply to members of GOA at the time of filing? If not, then you just have to sign up for GOA when you buy your can or SBR.
Unless they are going to stop putting serial #s on them, won't be hard to figure out.
