agsalaska said:
Also don't see anyone saying shotguns don't need to be aimed.
I'm glad you are worried about preserving your hearing.
I think you might need to see an eye doc though.
Eta: was supposed to have smiley emoji on this
agsalaska said:
Also don't see anyone saying shotguns don't need to be aimed.
BenderRodriguez said:agsalaska said:
Also don't see anyone saying shotguns don't need to be aimed.
I'm glad you are worried about preserving your hearing.
I think you might need to see an eye doc though.
agsalaska said:
But I still say if anyone says that in 2024 on the OB they are saying it as a joke. Has to be.
So me pointing an AR in the same direction I would point a shotgun.1Aggie99 said:
No but more effective if you at least get it going in general area vs AR/pistol.
Nahh.agsalaska said:Rockdoc said:agsalaska said:docb said:
Are we really concerned with hearing loss issues in dealing with an intruder? I mean come on.
Says someone who has never dealt with tinnitus.
It is absolutely 100% a real concern for anyone who is not willfully ignorant of the long term consequences of it.
If you can do things to mitigate hearing loss like suppress or use longer barrels or subsonic ammo or whatever then do it.
A couple of shots out of a 10.5inch AR in an enclosed room has the real possibility of ruining your quality of life. Why do that when you could use something else that is also effective.
Exactly. I have tinnitus so severely the ringing masks what else is going on in the house. If I fire a shot without ear pro then I'm done for. The intruder could be standing right behind me and I wouldn't know it. When I put on electronic ear pro with the sound cranked up, I can hear everything going on in the house and the ringing seems diminished. I'm not getting up with or without gun to check on something without it.
Yep. I wish I was still naive enough to pretend it didnt matter in an HD situation. I can no longer go to concerts, race tracks, even indoor basketball games are a no go.
Using an AR pistols for HD without a can is the dumbest thing someone could possibly do.
schmellba99 said:Nahh.agsalaska said:Rockdoc said:agsalaska said:docb said:
Are we really concerned with hearing loss issues in dealing with an intruder? I mean come on.
Says someone who has never dealt with tinnitus.
It is absolutely 100% a real concern for anyone who is not willfully ignorant of the long term consequences of it.
If you can do things to mitigate hearing loss like suppress or use longer barrels or subsonic ammo or whatever then do it.
A couple of shots out of a 10.5inch AR in an enclosed room has the real possibility of ruining your quality of life. Why do that when you could use something else that is also effective.
Exactly. I have tinnitus so severely the ringing masks what else is going on in the house. If I fire a shot without ear pro then I'm done for. The intruder could be standing right behind me and I wouldn't know it. When I put on electronic ear pro with the sound cranked up, I can hear everything going on in the house and the ringing seems diminished. I'm not getting up with or without gun to check on something without it.
Yep. I wish I was still naive enough to pretend it didnt matter in an HD situation. I can no longer go to concerts, race tracks, even indoor basketball games are a no go.
Using an AR pistols for HD without a can is the dumbest thing someone could possibly do.
Dumbest thing one could possibly do is nothing, or be so worried about tinnitus at 3am that they waste time fumbling around with hearing protection while a bad guy is doing bad guy things.
But you do you, we all get to make those choices at least.
Rockdoc said:
Personal decisions. No universally right answer.
Too much great info mixed with common sense, you should be banned...BenderRodriguez said:Rockdoc said:
Personal decisions. No universally right answer.
Absolutely. Everyones house, family, etc is different. I dont care what anyone uses. I think no less of your ability or willingness to protect your family with a pump action shotgun if thats your choice, and I'm not even saying its an incorrect choice.
What I take exception to is when people repeat things the've heard online that are demonstrably false in order to justify a previously made personal decision.
1) you have to aim shotguns to the same level of precision you would a pistol or AR
2) there is no good self defense load that will "stop in the wall", only bad and less bad options to be trained around
3) racking a gun to scare someone off is hollywood bs. Just stop.
Make a choice, train with it, you're good. Everything else is mental jacking it to feel better about choices you've already made and no one can talk you out of anyway.
jwoodmd said:
Let's take a survey and see who on here has actually had someone kick in their door (or just sneak in) at 3 am and you've gotten into a shoot out (or just shot them) inside your home.
BenderRodriguez said:jwoodmd said:
Let's take a survey and see who on here has actually had someone kick in their door (or just sneak in) at 3 am and you've gotten into a shoot out (or just shot them) inside your home.
If your only criteria to be worth listening to is "have you had to shoot someone who invaded your home", I have good news for you. The blog I linked earlier is written by exactly that person. Go check out an experienced experts opinion on the topic.
Not trying to impose a criteria at all. Was/is a serious question. We all talk about this subject and it's extremely important. Was just seeing how common/uncommon it is and whether anyone who had had this happen to would share their experience(s)BenderRodriguez said:jwoodmd said:
Let's take a survey and see who on here has actually had someone kick in their door (or just sneak in) at 3 am and you've gotten into a shoot out (or just shot them) inside your home.
If your only criteria to be worth listening to is "have you had to shoot someone who invaded your home", I have good news for you. The blog I linked earlier is written by exactly that person. Go check out an experienced experts opinion on the topic.
Ark03 said:Doors are your first line of defense, and buy you time to do all the other things. I have something like this reinforcing my door jam and hinges: https://asafehome.net/SharkinAg said:
I keep a pistol with multiple mags available. Also, a solid bedroom door with a reinforced deadbolt will buy you a little time as well to gather your thoughts. Get rid of the little screws that go into the frame and replace them with long screws that go into the stud. Door jams on the perimeter doors also slow them down. Nice to have the wife trained to bolt the bedroom door while you get to your gun. If you have kids in other rooms around the house this obviously wouldn't be an option. Not an issue for me yet.
My biggest issue is being roused from sleep and having a clear head. Most times I'm fine. But my alarm once went off at 3am due to a faulty sensor and I was disgusted/sick to my stomach how long it took for me to gain a clear head.
I grew up on a ranch with hundreds of guns … call it what ever you want.. I have fired off more rounds and reloaded more shells than probably 100 people all together .. I'm good bromaroon barchetta said:
Clips?
Oh boy. Here we go.
AggieOO said:not sure why you'd ask a bunch of aggies. we haven't defended Kyle field since the mid 90s.Mr Gigem said:
I'm interested in everyone's thoughts on what the best options are for home defense.
Curious what you mean by the text in bold. Is the laser there in lieu of a light? Is it used in conjunction with a light?F4GIB71 said:
A few thoughts agreeing with previous posts.
1. Pistol in night stand until I get to my SBR
2. My SBR is suppressed in subsonic 300 BLK. When I zeroed the RDS and BUIS, I shot both super and sub ammo. (I also have a green dot laser since it might be dark). At home defense ranges, not a significant difference in trajectory shift but would be if shooting hogs at any distance. Big drop with sub as distance increases.
3. My first concern is protecting my home, but hearing protection is an important secondary issue. I have tinnitus and don't want it to get worse. I've never tried my suppressed, subsonic 300 BLK in a shoot house but know it is significantly quieter than even suppressed 223 which is quieter than unsuppressed but you still get the supersonic crack. (BTW, I swap out the 300 BLK upper for a 556/223 upper when I shoot carbine matches.)
4. If you think you only have to "point a shotgun down the hall without aiming", go try a 3 Gun match. Multiple stationary clay pigeons or similar sized metal plates at essentially self defense ranges. You quickly find how important aiming is.