McDadeTXAggie said:

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1st ingredient
Ol Roy: ground corn
Purina: whole grain corn
Wellness: deboned chicken
Royal Canin: Brewers rice
Merrick: deboned chicken
Kibbles n Bits: Corn

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So, you're a marketing person for a fad dog food company. You gonna next tell me what I should feed my cattle and horses?

McDadeTXAggie said:

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That's what you took from the facts I posted? Its directly off their label

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But you never explain with any evidence about your choices. You just call dog food 5* review brands which is marketing and based on people basing it mostly on what their dog "likes"

McDadeTXAggie said:

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Old RV Ag said:

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McDadeTXAggie said:

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That's what you took from the facts I posted? Its directly off their label

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But you never explain with any evidence about your choices. You just call dog food 5* review brands which is marketing and based on people basing it mostly on what their dog "likes"

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I mentioned previously that years ago I did a lot of reading/researching on dog foods. It's been years and products change over time. But the first 3 or 5 ingredients is suppose to be what makes up the bulk of what's in the dog food.

What else do you want to know? I posted a few cheap/crappy brands that all have corn listed as their #1 ingredient. I listed a few higher end brands that have either a meat product or rice as their #1 ingredient.

If Mr. Vet in texags is comfortable pushing off corn filled dog food for your dog... have at it

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As you continue to show your ignorance about dog food. I'll try to give you a little information on how labels are manipulated towards the marketing of the "first 3 or 5 ingredients " on the label. Do you know how they are put in order? It is by weight of raw ingredients. You take a meat product which has very high water content which adds a lot of weight to the raw ingredient (which by the way is mostly cooked out of the final product) so it artificially appears to be more. Then you take rice or corn or whatever other ingredients and break them down into components (rice meal, rice hulls, and on and on) that are in a dry form, thus lower weight each, and magically they fall down lower on the ingredient list even though they make up more of the final product than your precious meat that was first on the ingredient list. Some companies play this manipulation game and some do not. Glamour words like human grade (which has no definition and anyone can throw it on their label), no byproduct, and fillers get thrown around and marketed because the public eats it up. And surprisingly, corn does have nutritional value, think about the corn being ground up and not the whole kernels that you're staring at in your turd in the toilet. It contains some antioxidants, vitamins, and protein that is of value in an overall balanced diet. It doesn't matter if those ingredients come from corn, wheat , or some rare sourced, organic, "fully digestible", wild blueberry found only on one island in the world. The key is having a balanced diet that is appropriate for your dog and not getting caught up in all the marketing bs.

If we store our "complete and balanced, inexpensive, 1-star" dog food in a YETI cooler, will it transform into 5-star premium pooch food?

McDadeTXAggie said:

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RCR06 said:

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Sometimes I think people over think this decision. Not that its not an important decision.

There's a poster on here that will probably chime in soon, can't think of handle at the moment, that had his dog on some type of all natural dog food and had severe gastro intestinal issues.

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See my post

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Oh, I saw it. I've read enough of these threads to know that someone always comes in and says I did a bunch of research and here's what you need. Then several vets chime in and say that's not exactly right.

Gunny456 was the poster I was referring to. Not sure if he wants to go into it again, but one of these expensive all natural dog foods you're talking about ruined his dogs stomach and cost him thousands of dollars in vet bills.

A friend of mine that's a vet said people are always trying to use people nutrition logic for their animals. Surprisingly, it's not the same.

bmfvet said:

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McDadeTXAggie said:

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Old RV Ag said:

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McDadeTXAggie said:

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That's what you took from the facts I posted? Its directly off their label

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But you never explain with any evidence about your choices. You just call dog food 5* review brands which is marketing and based on people basing it mostly on what their dog "likes"

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I mentioned previously that years ago I did a lot of reading/researching on dog foods. It's been years and products change over time. But the first 3 or 5 ingredients is suppose to be what makes up the bulk of what's in the dog food.

What else do you want to know? I posted a few cheap/crappy brands that all have corn listed as their #1 ingredient. I listed a few higher end brands that have either a meat product or rice as their #1 ingredient.

If Mr. Vet in texags is comfortable pushing off corn filled dog food for your dog... have at it

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As you continue to show your ignorance about dog food. I'll try to give you a little information on how labels are manipulated towards the marketing of the "first 3 or 5 ingredients " on the label. Do you know how they are put in order? It is by weight of raw ingredients. You take a meat product which has very high water content which adds a lot of weight to the raw ingredient (which by the way is mostly cooked out of the final product) so it artificially appears to be more. Then you take rice or corn or whatever other ingredients and break them down into components (rice meal, rice hulls, and on and on) that are in a dry form, thus lower weight each, and magically they fall down lower on the ingredient list even though they make up more of the final product than your precious meat that was first on the ingredient list. Some companies play this manipulation game and some do not. Glamour words like human grade (which has no definition and anyone can throw it on their label), no byproduct, and fillers get thrown around and marketed because the public eats it up. And surprisingly, corn does have nutritional value, think about the corn being ground up and not the whole kernels that you're staring at in your turd in the toilet. It contains some antioxidants, vitamins, and protein that is of value in an overall balanced diet. It doesn't matter if those ingredients come from corn, wheat , or some rare sourced, organic, "fully digestible", wild blueberry found only on one island in the world. The key is having a balanced diet that is appropriate for your dog and not getting caught up in all the marketing bs.

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Extremely good write up. This fad dog food character would have a hissy fit trying to understand a label for something like range cubes. The items of importances are protein, fat, fiber, vitamins and minerals as the feed mill will vary content based on price and availability of ingredients. He'd go nuts trying to decider "plant proteins" as it could be cottonseed meal, peanut meal, combo, etc. and vary from one year, or one month, to another. As you say, the key is the balanced diet of proteins, fats, fibers, etc.

McDadeTXAggie said:

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What does corn do when it's broken down? What nutritional value does it have?

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It is a carbohydrate... Otherwise known as an energy source. Just like brown rice, white rice, barley, and all the other crap these companies put in their "premium" dog foods so they don't have to use the evil corn.
It also has other nutrients such as protein and vitamins to a lesser degree.
Anyone who believes corn is just a filler is ignorant and misinformed.

McDadeTXAggie said:

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bmfvet said:

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McDadeTXAggie said:

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Old RV Ag said:

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McDadeTXAggie said:

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That's what you took from the facts I posted? Its directly off their label

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But you never explain with any evidence about your choices. You just call dog food 5* review brands which is marketing and based on people basing it mostly on what their dog "likes"

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I mentioned previously that years ago I did a lot of reading/researching on dog foods. It's been years and products change over time. But the first 3 or 5 ingredients is suppose to be what makes up the bulk of what's in the dog food.

What else do you want to know? I posted a few cheap/crappy brands that all have corn listed as their #1 ingredient. I listed a few higher end brands that have either a meat product or rice as their #1 ingredient.

If Mr. Vet in texags is comfortable pushing off corn filled dog food for your dog... have at it

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As you continue to show your ignorance about dog food. I'll try to give you a little information on how labels are manipulated towards the marketing of the "first 3 or 5 ingredients " on the label. Do you know how they are put in order? It is by weight of raw ingredients. You take a meat product which has very high water content which adds a lot of weight to the raw ingredient (which by the way is mostly cooked out of the final product) so it artificially appears to be more. Then you take rice or corn or whatever other ingredients and break them down into components (rice meal, rice hulls, and on and on) that are in a dry form, thus lower weight each, and magically they fall down lower on the ingredient list even though they make up more of the final product than your precious meat that was first on the ingredient list. Some companies play this manipulation game and some do not. Glamour words like human grade (which has no definition and anyone can throw it on their label), no byproduct, and fillers get thrown around and marketed because the public eats it up. And surprisingly, corn does have nutritional value, think about the corn being ground up and not the whole kernels that you're staring at in your turd in the toilet. It contains some antioxidants, vitamins, and protein that is of value in an overall balanced diet. It doesn't matter if those ingredients come from corn, wheat , or some rare sourced, organic, "fully digestible", wild blueberry found only on one island in the world. The key is having a balanced diet that is appropriate for your dog and not getting caught up in all the marketing bs.

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So Ol Roy, and Kibbles n Bits is premium given your take on the ingredients theory, right? Merrick, and Royal Canin are just fooling everyone with their label

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You really have no clue on feed manufacturing. Many labels may be the exact same food or slight variations. There are companies you never hear about but are huge in the area. An example was Doane Pet Care (though they went out of business around 2004 or 05). They made dog food for hundreds of labels, but never sold any as Doane dog food. So, yes, two bags with different labels may be the same food inside. Doane would "customize" your label, e.g. list rice or break it into rice meal and rice hulls. The thing they have to be very specific is the breakdown of protein, fat, fiber, etc. Take two bags with same contents - one is plain with just Dog Food printed on it. The other bag is super colorful with running dogs in the wind and tall grass - and slogans like "taste of the wild" - guess which one is priced twice as much - and people like you pay it thinking they've got "premium"

McDadeTXAggie said:

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bmfvet said:

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McDadeTXAggie said:

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Old RV Ag said:

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McDadeTXAggie said:

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That's what you took from the facts I posted? Its directly off their label

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But you never explain with any evidence about your choices. You just call dog food 5* review brands which is marketing and based on people basing it mostly on what their dog "likes"

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I mentioned previously that years ago I did a lot of reading/researching on dog foods. It's been years and products change over time. But the first 3 or 5 ingredients is suppose to be what makes up the bulk of what's in the dog food.

What else do you want to know? I posted a few cheap/crappy brands that all have corn listed as their #1 ingredient. I listed a few higher end brands that have either a meat product or rice as their #1 ingredient.

If Mr. Vet in texags is comfortable pushing off corn filled dog food for your dog... have at it

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As you continue to show your ignorance about dog food. I'll try to give you a little information on how labels are manipulated towards the marketing of the "first 3 or 5 ingredients " on the label. Do you know how they are put in order? It is by weight of raw ingredients. You take a meat product which has very high water content which adds a lot of weight to the raw ingredient (which by the way is mostly cooked out of the final product) so it artificially appears to be more. Then you take rice or corn or whatever other ingredients and break them down into components (rice meal, rice hulls, and on and on) that are in a dry form, thus lower weight each, and magically they fall down lower on the ingredient list even though they make up more of the final product than your precious meat that was first on the ingredient list. Some companies play this manipulation game and some do not. Glamour words like human grade (which has no definition and anyone can throw it on their label), no byproduct, and fillers get thrown around and marketed because the public eats it up. And surprisingly, corn does have nutritional value, think about the corn being ground up and not the whole kernels that you're staring at in your turd in the toilet. It contains some antioxidants, vitamins, and protein that is of value in an overall balanced diet. It doesn't matter if those ingredients come from corn, wheat , or some rare sourced, organic, "fully digestible", wild blueberry found only on one island in the world. The key is having a balanced diet that is appropriate for your dog and not getting caught up in all the marketing bs.

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So Ol Roy, and Kibbles n Bits is premium given your take on the ingredients theory, right? Merrick, and Royal Canin are just fooling everyone with their label

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He actually suggested hills, purina, and royal canin in an earlier post

McDadeTXAggie said:

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Old RV Ag said:

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McDadeTXAggie said:

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bmfvet said:

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McDadeTXAggie said:

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Old RV Ag said:

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McDadeTXAggie said:

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That's what you took from the facts I posted? Its directly off their label

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But you never explain with any evidence about your choices. You just call dog food 5* review brands which is marketing and based on people basing it mostly on what their dog "likes"

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I mentioned previously that years ago I did a lot of reading/researching on dog foods. It's been years and products change over time. But the first 3 or 5 ingredients is suppose to be what makes up the bulk of what's in the dog food.

What else do you want to know? I posted a few cheap/crappy brands that all have corn listed as their #1 ingredient. I listed a few higher end brands that have either a meat product or rice as their #1 ingredient.

If Mr. Vet in texags is comfortable pushing off corn filled dog food for your dog... have at it

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As you continue to show your ignorance about dog food. I'll try to give you a little information on how labels are manipulated towards the marketing of the "first 3 or 5 ingredients " on the label. Do you know how they are put in order? It is by weight of raw ingredients. You take a meat product which has very high water content which adds a lot of weight to the raw ingredient (which by the way is mostly cooked out of the final product) so it artificially appears to be more. Then you take rice or corn or whatever other ingredients and break them down into components (rice meal, rice hulls, and on and on) that are in a dry form, thus lower weight each, and magically they fall down lower on the ingredient list even though they make up more of the final product than your precious meat that was first on the ingredient list. Some companies play this manipulation game and some do not. Glamour words like human grade (which has no definition and anyone can throw it on their label), no byproduct, and fillers get thrown around and marketed because the public eats it up. And surprisingly, corn does have nutritional value, think about the corn being ground up and not the whole kernels that you're staring at in your turd in the toilet. It contains some antioxidants, vitamins, and protein that is of value in an overall balanced diet. It doesn't matter if those ingredients come from corn, wheat , or some rare sourced, organic, "fully digestible", wild blueberry found only on one island in the world. The key is having a balanced diet that is appropriate for your dog and not getting caught up in all the marketing bs.

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So Ol Roy, and Kibbles n Bits is premium given your take on the ingredients theory, right? Merrick, and Royal Canin are just fooling everyone with their label

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You really have no clue on feed manufacturing. Many labels may be the exact same food or slight variations. There are companies you never hear about but are huge in the area. An example was Doane Pet Care (though they went out of business around 2004 or 05). They made dog food for hundreds of labels, but never sold any as Doane dog food. So, yes, two bags with different labels may be the same food inside. Doane would "customize" your label, e.g. list rice or break it into rice meal and rice hulls. The thing they have to be very specific is the breakdown of protein, fat, fiber, etc. Take two bags with same contents - one is plain with just Dog Food printed on it. The other bag is super colorful with running dogs in the wind and tall grass - and slogans like "taste of the wild" - guess which one is priced twice as much - and people like you pay it thinking they've got "premium"

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Is it legal to lie about the content of the product? Is there a system in place that tests the claims? Why do people experience weight issues with their dogs on cheap dog foods such as Ol Roy which is believed to be filled with corn and other fillers? Why do people have the opposite experience with their dogs when they use "premium" dog food?

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Why don't you provide some information to support these assertions you are making.

McDadeTXAggie said:

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The proof is sorta in the pudding on this one. Go look at the ingredients on any dog food that's super cheap. Then go look at any dog food with a 5 star rating.

If what you say is true, dog foods like Ol Roy would either have corn/corn meal way down the list or not listed at all. The expensive dog foods with high ratings have quality ingredients listed in the top 3 or top 5. Tried and true dog foods

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Some years ago, I too fell for the marketing hype before I did a lot of research and elected to go with Purina Pro Plan. You just have to dig past the Dog Food Advisor and similar sites with hidden agendas. It's hard to deny that the large dog food manufactures expend considerably more resources on research and development.

McDadeTXAggie said:

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Old RV Ag said:

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McDadeTXAggie said:

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bmfvet said:

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McDadeTXAggie said:

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Old RV Ag said:

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McDadeTXAggie said:

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That's what you took from the facts I posted? Its directly off their label

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But you never explain with any evidence about your choices. You just call dog food 5* review brands which is marketing and based on people basing it mostly on what their dog "likes"

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I mentioned previously that years ago I did a lot of reading/researching on dog foods. It's been years and products change over time. But the first 3 or 5 ingredients is suppose to be what makes up the bulk of what's in the dog food.

What else do you want to know? I posted a few cheap/crappy brands that all have corn listed as their #1 ingredient. I listed a few higher end brands that have either a meat product or rice as their #1 ingredient.

If Mr. Vet in texags is comfortable pushing off corn filled dog food for your dog... have at it

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As you continue to show your ignorance about dog food. I'll try to give you a little information on how labels are manipulated towards the marketing of the "first 3 or 5 ingredients " on the label. Do you know how they are put in order? It is by weight of raw ingredients. You take a meat product which has very high water content which adds a lot of weight to the raw ingredient (which by the way is mostly cooked out of the final product) so it artificially appears to be more. Then you take rice or corn or whatever other ingredients and break them down into components (rice meal, rice hulls, and on and on) that are in a dry form, thus lower weight each, and magically they fall down lower on the ingredient list even though they make up more of the final product than your precious meat that was first on the ingredient list. Some companies play this manipulation game and some do not. Glamour words like human grade (which has no definition and anyone can throw it on their label), no byproduct, and fillers get thrown around and marketed because the public eats it up. And surprisingly, corn does have nutritional value, think about the corn being ground up and not the whole kernels that you're staring at in your turd in the toilet. It contains some antioxidants, vitamins, and protein that is of value in an overall balanced diet. It doesn't matter if those ingredients come from corn, wheat , or some rare sourced, organic, "fully digestible", wild blueberry found only on one island in the world. The key is having a balanced diet that is appropriate for your dog and not getting caught up in all the marketing bs.

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So Ol Roy, and Kibbles n Bits is premium given your take on the ingredients theory, right? Merrick, and Royal Canin are just fooling everyone with their label

---

You really have no clue on feed manufacturing. Many labels may be the exact same food or slight variations. There are companies you never hear about but are huge in the area. An example was Doane Pet Care (though they went out of business around 2004 or 05). They made dog food for hundreds of labels, but never sold any as Doane dog food. So, yes, two bags with different labels may be the same food inside. Doane would "customize" your label, e.g. list rice or break it into rice meal and rice hulls. The thing they have to be very specific is the breakdown of protein, fat, fiber, etc. Take two bags with same contents - one is plain with just Dog Food printed on it. The other bag is super colorful with running dogs in the wind and tall grass - and slogans like "taste of the wild" - guess which one is priced twice as much - and people like you pay it thinking they've got "premium"

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Is it legal to lie about the content of the product? Is there a system in place that tests the claims? Why do people experience weight issues with their dogs on cheap dog foods such as Ol Roy which is believed to be filled with corn and other fillers? Why do people have the opposite experience with their dogs when they use "premium" dog foods?

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I think many people don't know how much to feed their dog or decide that what it says on the bag is incorrect. My grandmother fed her dog ol roy, but probably twice as much as she should have fed her dog(that was overweight). Now was it the ol roy that was the problem or the amount she was feeding it? I think people buying expensive dog food are much more conscientious about everything with their animals. Amount they feed, type of food, exercise, vet visits, bathing, toys, treats, etc.

The vast majority of all pet food companies are primarily marketing companies and dog food manufacturers secondly. C J Foods and Diamond Pet produce the majority of the premium and ultra premium dog foods many consumers are willing to pay for. Pet food manufacturing of premium dog foods in the US is very similar buying gas for your cars, the only thing that truly makes one different from another is the additives. That's not to say that some cheap brands do not utilize high levels of corn or skimp on the fancy stuff like berry blends, but by in large major within certain price points most products are the same. Also, don't forget dogs are omnivores and coyotes will eat corn off the plant in field so don't be afraid that a tag says grain or corn.

McDadeTXAggie said:

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meggy09 said:

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McDadeTXAggie said:

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Old RV Ag said:

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McDadeTXAggie said:

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That's what you took from the facts I posted? Its directly off their label

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But you never explain with any evidence about your choices. You just call dog food 5* review brands which is marketing and based on people basing it mostly on what their dog "likes"

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I mentioned previously that years ago I did a lot of reading/researching on dog foods. It's been years and products change over time. But the first 3 or 5 ingredients is suppose to be what makes up the bulk of what's in the dog food.

What else do you want to know? I posted a few cheap/crappy brands that all have corn listed as their #1 ingredient. I listed a few higher end brands that have either a meat product or rice as their #1 ingredient.

If Mr. Vet in texags is comfortable pushing off corn filled dog food for your dog... have at it

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You really are a special type of stupid. What kind of degree did you get to go along with "research"? You seem like the type that wouldn't vaccinate your kids either.

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I vaccinate my kids and keep them out of this conversation

Staff, you allow this?

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Priceless coming from the guy who said "If Mr. Vet in texags is comfortable pushing off corn filled dog food for your dog... have at it"