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Yelnick McWawa said:

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Why do you feel the need to explain that? Yeah, we all get it. We're all grown men who've worked hard to acquire things honestly. We all despise the scum who take the easy way out. You're not telling us anything we don't know.

The fact remains, taking a life because of a lawnmower seems to run counter to the values that make one an honest, hardworking man. I want him caught and I want him punished. However he's stealing a lawnmower, not raping children.

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This time.

According to another poster, this guy's rap sheet is a mile long. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't hesitate doing harm to another person if he were caught in the act.

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Using that logic we need to kill every kid that steals a piece of candy from the store.

There are times deadly force is necessary and absolutely justifiable. Keeping a lawnmower doesn't check off that box for me....and I doubt a jury would slough it off either, and I damn sure wouldn't want to be the guinea pig that found out.

Ditto.

I'm not sure how I would react because I hate thieves with every fiber of my being.

Hate.

Yelnick McWawa said:

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Cow Hop Ag said:

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Thanks for adding a qualifier in an attempt to make what I said wrong. Point remains.

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Uh, a qualifier? It's the law. And the pictures posted clearly show that this happened in the middle of the day.
Are we discussing this case or not?

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8:37 PM is when it happened. But since it is daylight savings time, that may qualify as daytime. I think the camera makes it appear lighter than it actually is, however.

Rex Racer said:

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Yelnick McWawa said:

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Cow Hop Ag said:

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Thanks for adding a qualifier in an attempt to make what I said wrong. Point remains.

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Uh, a qualifier? It's the law. And the pictures posted clearly show that this happened in the middle of the day.
Are we discussing this case or not?

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8:37 PM is when it happened. But since it is daylight savings time, that may qualify as daytime. I think the camera makes it appear lighter than it actually is, however.

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Good call, just noticed the time stamp. For some reason I thought I had read that it happened mid-morning....must be mixing up two different incidents.

I am not upset. You said I was wrong when I said you can use force to protect your property. Then you added the daylight condition.

And as someone said it was past 8:30 at night.

EDIT... I am just picking at you. It is a good discussion.

And the answer is always that you were in fear for your or someone else's life.

Yelnick McWawa said:

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Cow Hop Ag said:

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I am not upset. You said I was wrong when I said you can use force to protect your property. Then you added the daylight condition.

And as someone said it was past 8:30 at night.

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Are you seriously that dense? THE LAW CHANGES DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT'S DAYTIME OR NIGHTTIME. I'm not making it up and didn't 'add' any condition. It's quite literally the law. So the fact remains that you (or I) may very well be wrong.

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Speaking of dense..

Here is your original post about this. You are saying a lawnmower does't justify force.

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There are times deadly force is necessary and absolutely justifiable. Keeping a lawnmower doesn't check off that box for me....and I doubt a jury would slough it off either, and I damn sure wouldn't want to be the guinea pig that found out.

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Later you added the daytime / night time condition. Even though this happened after 8:30.

Cow Hop Ag said:

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Yelnick McWawa said:

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Cow Hop Ag said:

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I am not upset. You said I was wrong when I said you can use force to protect your property. Then you added the daylight condition.

And as someone said it was past 8:30 at night.

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Are you seriously that dense? THE LAW CHANGES DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT'S DAYTIME OR NIGHTTIME. I'm not making it up and didn't 'add' any condition. It's quite literally the law. So the fact remains that you (or I) may very well be wrong.

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Speaking of dense..

Here is your original post about this. You are saying a lawnmower does't justify force.

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There are times deadly force is necessary and absolutely justifiable. Keeping a lawnmower doesn't check off that box for me....and I doubt a jury would slough it off either, and I damn sure wouldn't want to be the guinea pig that found out.

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Later you added the daytime / night time condition. Even though this happened after 8:30.

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Yawn.
Actually that's not my original post. You need to go further back.
You're right in that I did write that I wouldn't shoot anyone over a lawnmower, and I still feel that way. In furthering my point I added that there's a judicial component to the equation that should be considered as well in this discussion. To which you matter of factly responded that "Texas law would disagree" with me. When I pointed out that the law differs from day to night, for whatever reason, you went off the deep end and refuse to understand that it's not that cut and dry and seem to be taking it personally. Furthermore, I don't care if it says 8:30, if it was as bright as those pictures seem to indicate, it's not going to be considered "nighttime", that goes against the very spirit of the law.
So load up more of your oh so clever gifs or pound sand, I don't give a **** anymore. You clearly have no desire to do anything other than be "right".

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My understanding you're justified if you have no reasonable belief the peppery will be recovered.

Yeah, got lucky this time. Rarely is that the case. If he got killed over a lawnmower, i wouldn't lose a minute of sleep. If i were on a jury, I'd need something beyond "i shot him for stealing" to convict.

As four comparing to a kid stalling candy... nice stawman. Don't pull a muscle with that stretch.

F thieves... play stupid games, win stupid prizes

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Oh good lord. I love that you call me out for "stretching" yet you're giving a pass to the "well it's okay to shoot him because if he's stealing now, he'll only graduate to something worse" crowd. Now THAT'S a stretch and my reply simply pointed out the absurdity in that logic.

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Joe Horn case proves you wrong. He shot and killed 2 thieves in the daytime. In the back. Robbing his neighbor's house. And he got no-billed.

Yelnick McWawa said:

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Cow Hop Ag said:

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There are times deadly force is necessary and absolutely justifiable. Keeping a lawnmower doesn't check off that box for me....and I doubt a jury would slough it off either, and I damn sure wouldn't want to be the guinea pig that found out.

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Texas law would disagree with you. I wouldn't want to kill someone over property, but I certainly am not going to criticize someone who does.

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Need a lawyer to clarify but I'm pretty sure you're wrong here. If it was night time then yes, it's justified. During the day, it's not.

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I remember the Joe Horn case well. Not really the best example as it was (and still is) very controversial and it's kind of an apples to oranges situation in comparison to this anyway. Horn claimed that the two men approached him when he stepped outside and he fired in self defense and that's what saved his bacon.

So was it on the news?

So this whole thread was just an add for kbtx?

Yes. Killing a kid over a candy is the same as killing a repeat thief who hasn't learned his lesson.

If you read back someone said it was after 8:30. The camera made it look like daylight.

Hang on. The KBTX article says the guy realized his lawnmower was stolen and since his neighbor had cameras, he went to HIS house to check them, which the cameras had it all on tape. Why do the cameras show the mower being stolen from the neighbor's house and not the guy who is missing a mower?

What am I missing?

Thisguy1 said:

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Hang on. The KBTX article says the guy realized his lawnmower was stolen and since his neighbor had cameras, he went to HIS house to check them, which the cameras had it all on tape. Why do the cameras show the mower being stolen from the neighbor's house and not the guy who is missing a mower?

What am I missing?

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Looks to me like it's a shared driveway, maybe a duplex. The camera is angled toward the paved access route to the door, which happens to be the shared driveway.

AgFan131 said:

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Yes. Killing a kid over a candy is the same as just I've against a repeat thief who hasn't learned his lesson.

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Yep. That comparison was when my conversation with him was over.