One-Eyed Fat Man said:
Have you lost a child? I have.
One-Eyed Fat Man said:
I believe I do. Arms, per the dictionary, aren't limited to guns. Should inviduals be allowed to own biological weapons, chemical weapons, nuclear weapons. I believe owning arms such as those are illegal. As I've stated earlier in this thread, there isn't a single solution, but I don't accept that this is just the way things are in America, live with it.
One-Eyed Fat Man said:
The thing is, until we, as a society, work to fix the issues within certain parts of our society, we are going to continue to have tragedy after tragedy. First thing that needs to happen is that the media needs to stop reporting with an agenda. These shootings get major play that they never should. Don't release info about the shooter. Don't say why he did it. Don't make the shooter famous. That removes part of the motivation right there. Then, it's up to each community to police it's attitude. Get people to believe in something. It could be Christianity, Judaism, whatever. That does include decomercializing a lot of the religions out there. Do that, get people to marry and have direction to their lives and raise their kids with that direction, and we'll cut down on the bad stuff far more than by banning one of the many told available.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying here. I don't think our elected officials should get a free pass and just say, "we'll keep everyone in our prayers." Well, duh. The first sentence that copied from your post is spot on. We as a society have to take responsibility for these problems and require that our elected officials do something as well. But if we take the position that kids being killed at school are just going to happen in a free society, nothing will change, and to that I say, bullshirt.
One-Eyed Fat Man said:
Have you lost a child? I have.
agreed 100%.schmellba99 said:
Going to disagree on #4. We didn't pump prescription drugs into kids for every single ailment, real or perceived 20+ years ago.
It is not the entire problem, but i believe it is a major contributing factor.
Did you read this thread or any gun control thread. The 2nd amendment isn't about hunting. It isn't even about home defense.Duckhook said:
I can't believe I'm going to wade into this, but I am.
What is a legitimate reason for selling/owning a semi-auto like an AR-15? I don't have an issue with pistols/shotguns/deer rifles, but why is there a need in society for a gun like an AR? Do that many people really hunt with them?
Why ban ARs when handguns are used in 20 times the number of homicides than rifles, all rifles not just ARs?Duckhook said:
I can't believe I'm going to wade into this, but I am.
What is a legitimate reason for selling/owning a semi-auto like an AR-15? I don't have an issue with pistols/shotguns/deer rifles, but why is there a need in society for a gun like an AR? Do that many people really hunt with them? Do that many people really reach for them as a first choice in home defense or other self defense situations? Or is the argument that prohibiting AR's is just the first step in more restrictive gun control?
Genuinely interested in reasonable responses.
mpl35 said:Did you read this thread or any gun control thread. The 2nd amendment isn't about hunting. It isn't even about home defense.Duckhook said:
I can't believe I'm going to wade into this, but I am.
What is a legitimate reason for selling/owning a semi-auto like an AR-15? I don't have an issue with pistols/shotguns/deer rifles, but why is there a need in society for a gun like an AR? Do that many people really hunt with them?
Duckhook said:
I can't believe I'm going to wade into this, but I am.
What is a legitimate reason for selling/owning a semi-auto like an AR-15? I don't have an issue with pistols/shotguns/deer rifles, but why is there a need in society for a gun like an AR? Do that many people really hunt with them? Do that many people really reach for them as a first choice in home defense or other self defense situations? Or is the argument that prohibiting AR's is just the first step in more restrictive gun control?
Genuinely interested in reasonable responses.
ttha_aggie_09 said:Duckhook said:
I can't believe I'm going to wade into this, but I am.
What is a legitimate reason for selling/owning a semi-auto like an AR-15? I don't have an issue with pistols/shotguns/deer rifles, but why is there a need in society for a gun like an AR? Do that many people really hunt with them? Do that many people really reach for them as a first choice in home defense or other self defense situations? Or is the argument that prohibiting AR's is just the first step in more restrictive gun control?
Genuinely interested in reasonable responses.
First of all, username checks out to the first statement in bold.
Yes - tons of people use an AR for home defense and it is their primary choice for many reasons (I'll let bender or eyeguy go into detail as to why)
Yes - it is absolutely the first step in more restrictive gun control... see AWB of 94 and how it had virtually no impact on gun violence and gun violence continues to decrease even after it expired in 2004.
As another posted stated, maybe on this thread, once you ban ARs (the gun responsible for about 300 gun related homicides a year out of the inflated 31,000) the next psycho that brings in a lever action or pistol or shotgun will push for the next wave of "gun control".
So you may hunt now and don't own an AR but realize if we let them pass this, they're going after your shotgun or deer rifle or handgun next until the ultimate goal, gun confiscation, is achieved.
So as I stated earlier, I find it very hard for any avid outdoorsman to be for any form of gun control, especially as the current laws on the books are effective, when they're enforced.
Duckhook said:mpl35 said:Did you read this thread or any gun control thread. The 2nd amendment isn't about hunting. It isn't even about home defense.Duckhook said:
I can't believe I'm going to wade into this, but I am.
What is a legitimate reason for selling/owning a semi-auto like an AR-15? I don't have an issue with pistols/shotguns/deer rifles, but why is there a need in society for a gun like an AR? Do that many people really hunt with them?
Yeah, I read plenty. I read where Scalia, writing for the majority in the Heller case, said "Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose." He goes on to list circumstances in which firearm ownership should be prohibited, as well as not prohibiting laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. The Second Amendment only became a big deal when the NRA decided to make it a big deal.
Nealthedestroyer said:Duckhook said:mpl35 said:Did you read this thread or any gun control thread. The 2nd amendment isn't about hunting. It isn't even about home defense.Duckhook said:
I can't believe I'm going to wade into this, but I am.
What is a legitimate reason for selling/owning a semi-auto like an AR-15? I don't have an issue with pistols/shotguns/deer rifles, but why is there a need in society for a gun like an AR? Do that many people really hunt with them?
Yeah, I read plenty. I read where Scalia, writing for the majority in the Heller case, said "Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose." He goes on to list circumstances in which firearm ownership should be prohibited, as well as not prohibiting laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. The Second Amendment only became a big deal when the NRA decided to make it a big deal.
LOL. Are you genuinely interested in getting into this?... because I feel like no amount of keyboard hot air will convince you to change your mind.
Heller vs DC was a terrible case to bring up because the individual right to bear arms was already laid out and guaranteed in.... The ****ing US Bill of Rights.
If you read plenty, then you would have realized it isn't about hunting or self defense. Yet when you "waded in" you showed your ignorance by asking if there was a need for them. Don't google and read a few liberal talking points and pretend you actually "read" up on the subject....Duckhook said:mpl35 said:Did you read this thread or any gun control thread. The 2nd amendment isn't about hunting. It isn't even about home defense.Duckhook said:
I can't believe I'm going to wade into this, but I am.
What is a legitimate reason for selling/owning a semi-auto like an AR-15? I don't have an issue with pistols/shotguns/deer rifles, but why is there a need in society for a gun like an AR? Do that many people really hunt with them?
Yeah, I read plenty. I read where Scalia, writing for the majority in the Heller case, said "Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose." He goes on to list circumstances in which firearm ownership should be prohibited, as well as not prohibiting laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. The Second Amendment only became a big deal when the NRA decided to make it a big deal.
Duckhook said:
South Texas I've shot plenty in my life, but a lott, lot less as I've gotten older. Never shot a semi auto. I've got plenty of buddies that go to ranges if I'm so inclined.
mpl35 said:If you read plenty, then you would have realized it isn't about hunting or self defense. Yet when you "waded in" you showed your ignorance by asking if there was a need for them. Don't google and read a few liberal talking points and pretend you actually "read" up on the subject....Duckhook said:mpl35 said:Did you read this thread or any gun control thread. The 2nd amendment isn't about hunting. It isn't even about home defense.Duckhook said:
I can't believe I'm going to wade into this, but I am.
What is a legitimate reason for selling/owning a semi-auto like an AR-15? I don't have an issue with pistols/shotguns/deer rifles, but why is there a need in society for a gun like an AR? Do that many people really hunt with them?
Yeah, I read plenty. I read where Scalia, writing for the majority in the Heller case, said "Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose." He goes on to list circumstances in which firearm ownership should be prohibited, as well as not prohibiting laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. The Second Amendment only became a big deal when the NRA decided to make it a big deal.
Sure you did. Yet you asked about hunting and home defense when that was never the intention of the 2nd Amendment.Duckhook said:mpl35 said:If you read plenty, then you would have realized it isn't about hunting or self defense. Yet when you "waded in" you showed your ignorance by asking if there was a need for them. Don't google and read a few liberal talking points and pretend you actually "read" up on the subject....Duckhook said:mpl35 said:Did you read this thread or any gun control thread. The 2nd amendment isn't about hunting. It isn't even about home defense.Duckhook said:
I can't believe I'm going to wade into this, but I am.
What is a legitimate reason for selling/owning a semi-auto like an AR-15? I don't have an issue with pistols/shotguns/deer rifles, but why is there a need in society for a gun like an AR? Do that many people really hunt with them?
Yeah, I read plenty. I read where Scalia, writing for the majority in the Heller case, said "Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose." He goes on to list circumstances in which firearm ownership should be prohibited, as well as not prohibiting laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. The Second Amendment only became a big deal when the NRA decided to make it a big deal.
I do read a lot, on a wide variety of subjects and usually from both sides. I knew about Heller and did Google the language to be sure that what I thought I remembered was actually what was written. I was interested in some reasonable responses on this thread, which a number of guys have provided. Yours, not so much.
mpl35 said:Sure you did. Yet you asked about hunting and home defense when that was never the intention of the 2nd Amendment.Duckhook said:mpl35 said:If you read plenty, then you would have realized it isn't about hunting or self defense. Yet when you "waded in" you showed your ignorance by asking if there was a need for them. Don't google and read a few liberal talking points and pretend you actually "read" up on the subject....Duckhook said:mpl35 said:Did you read this thread or any gun control thread. The 2nd amendment isn't about hunting. It isn't even about home defense.Duckhook said:
I can't believe I'm going to wade into this, but I am.
What is a legitimate reason for selling/owning a semi-auto like an AR-15? I don't have an issue with pistols/shotguns/deer rifles, but why is there a need in society for a gun like an AR? Do that many people really hunt with them?
Yeah, I read plenty. I read where Scalia, writing for the majority in the Heller case, said "Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose." He goes on to list circumstances in which firearm ownership should be prohibited, as well as not prohibiting laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. The Second Amendment only became a big deal when the NRA decided to make it a big deal.
I do read a lot, on a wide variety of subjects and usually from both sides. I knew about Heller and did Google the language to be sure that what I thought I remembered was actually what was written. I was interested in some reasonable responses on this thread, which a number of guys have provided. Yours, not so much.
It is ok to admit you had no clue.
Duckhook said:
The Second Amendment only became a big deal when the NRA decided to make it a big deal.
