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OP last updated : 07-30-2018

Current picture of progress (08-12-2019) :









Mrs. Gringo and I are starting on a barn house build in Central Texas. I've seen a few topics on here and the Home Improvement board that seem to generate a fair amount of interest in barn houses (barndominium) so I figured I'd post our plans and progress. It's a good way for me to "scrapbook" the project and also I hope to get some ideas/suggestions/previous experiences from you guys as we go along.

I found a handful of threads on here and the HI board about what necessities, features, etc. people wish they had or are glad they have in a new construction home. I wish I still had the threads open so I could post links, can't seem to find them now. Home building tips?? 03/2017 Building New Home - Gimme Ideas 12/2016 Custom House Cool Stuff Ideas 01/2018

Here is a running list of the plan for each aspect of the house:

Structure: - Done
  • 43'x100' Muller bolt-up, pre-engineered building.
  • 18' eve height. 3:12 roof pitch.
  • MI 1620 Single Hung Vinyl Windows (Argon Gas, Low-E 340, DSB glass strength, U-Factor:0.28, SHGC:0.14, VT:0.3, DP Rating:67.2)
  • Spray foam insulation All Open Cell. 3.5" walls 5.5" ceiling - Energy Guard Spray Foam
  • 8' Iron Doors Unlimited Front Door - Front door
  • Front porch 12' height @ building, 1:12 roof, 43' wide, 10' deep
  • Parking Area 12' height @ building, 1:12 roof, 24' wide, 20' deep
  • Lean-to 18' height @ building, 1:12 roof, 50' wide, 25' deep
  • 3 Muller 12'x12' roll-up doors
  • 2 Muller walk doors
  • Gutters (with possible rain harvesting)
  • Part of living quarters will be full building height ceiling, some will be 8' 9' ceiling, then 2' wooden truss, then variable ceiling (8'7'-13')


Whole House (Updated 8/13/2018) :
  • Stained Concrete Floors - Texas Concrete Design (Aggie owned) DONE
  • Rustic or Industrial Ceiling fans Need Recommendation
  • PEX plumbing - Viega PEX type A with Viega PEX Press fittings DONE
  • Co-op water DONE
  • Co-op Power DONE
  • Traditional Septic DONE
  • DIY whole home water filtration - Three of these , one of these , one of these , one of these. With bypass loop and gauges upstream and downstream DONE
  • Interesting source for door hardware, bath hardware, lighting I found on a TexAgs thread eBuilderDirect.com


Security/Audio/Tech: (last edited 09-3-2019)
  • Abode home security - Abode
  • In-wall/Ceiling Speakers, outdoor speakers Need Recommendation
  • Audio receiver/hub for speakers (don't care for TV to run through hub) Need Recommendation
  • CAT6 cable run EVERYWHERE -Monoprice - DONE
  • Maybe a cell signal booster b/c metal building Need Recommendation
  • Exterior motion controlled LED flood lights at each corner of building and half way down 100' sides Need Recommendation
  • Ecobee3 lite Thermostat - DONE
  • Laundry room will serve as a "hub" for any audio/video equipment. Just plan on having a well organized shelf above everything, a foot or so from the ceiling.


Kitchen/Living:
  • Full building height ceiling (18'-23')
  • Samsung 29.7-cu-ft 4-Door French Door Refrigerator - Fridge
  • Samsung Smooth Surface 5-Element Slide-in Range - Range/Oven
  • Samsung 2-cu-ft Over the Range Microwave - Microwave
  • Samsung StormWash 48-Decibel Dishwasher - Dishwasher
  • Stainless Steel Farmhouse Sink - Kitchen Sink
  • Under Cabinet Lighting Need recommendation
  • Toe Kick Lighting
  • Commercial Style Faucet Need recommendation


Master Bedroom:
  • Trey Ceiling with barn wood accents
  • Barn door to closet
  • Recessed LED lighting


Master Closet:
  • "Rustic" wood and iron shelving/drawer system
  • Recessed square LED light fixtures


Master Bath:
  • Concrete countertops
  • Built-in vanities with floor to ceiling storage and settee
  • His & Hers sinks
  • "Toilet room"
  • Linen closet
  • Built-in "dresser" with countertop for clothes folding
  • Walk-in shower with linear floor drain and large format tiles. Dual shower heads
  • Glass Shower door
  • Drop-in tub within the walk-in shower "room"
  • Recessed square LED light fixtures

Shop:


Here is the concept of the overall structure: (added 02-06-2018)






Muller components are shown in red. Weld-up components are shown in blueish/green

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I'll post pictures as we go and update the list in this OP with what pictures were posted and the posting date to help navigate the thread.

1-11-2018 (page 1) : Clearing, driveway tie-in, foundation slab

1-26-2018 (page 2) : Concrete slab before, after, and during pouring

2-2-2018 (page 2) : Metal Building delivered to site. Pipe for entrance gate purchased

2-13-2018 (page 2) : Red iron has been erected.

3-1-2018 (page 2) : First set of footings for awnings poured

3-15-2018 (page 2) : Front awnings going up (1/4 of the way done)

3-19-2018 (page 2) : 2 walk doors welded in

3-26-2018 (page 3) : Majority of windows hung

4-5-2018 (page 3) : Front awnings 90% done

4-23-2018 (page 3) : Big awning 75% done. Start flashing windows

5-22-2018 (page 3) : All framing is done. All windows are mulled and installed. Front door installed. Septic system started and completed. Ready for sheeting.

6-5-2018 (page 3) : First day of sheeting complete. Electrical service wire is pulled to house

6-11-2018 (page 3) : Sheeting complete.

6-18-2018 (page 3) : Temporary living quarters begin framing.

6-25-2018 (page 4) : Temporary living quarters drywalled. Car lift installed.

7-5-2018 (page 4) : First Permanent Walls are up (shop bathroom)

7-10-2018 (page 4) : Shop/Living wall mostly done. Exterior sheeting/trim all done.

7-16-2018 (page 4) : Ground floor perimeter walls 95% framed.

7-23-2018 (page 4) : Ground floor perimeter wall complete. Kitchen/Living full height walls 1/3 complete.

7-30-2018 (page 4) : Kitchen/Living full height walls complete. Breaker box installed. Stained floors begin.

7-31-2018 (page 4) : Floors Stain done and covered. To be polished later.

8-2-2018 (page 4) : Stone Wainscot installed.

8-6-2018 (page 4) : Front porch and parking areas concrete started.

8-8-2018 (page 5) : Front porch and parking area concrete poured. First interior wall stood up. Cleaned up floor plan CAD

8-13-2018 (page 5) : Shop bath and Master closet framing complete. Master bed framing near complete. Master bath and laundry both 1/2 framing complete.

9-5-2018 (page 5) : Ground floor is 90% framed.

9-26-2018 (page 5) : Aerial shots and a flyover video

10-9-2018 (page 5) : 2nd floor (loft) trusses 75% in place and 20% decked

10-29-2018 (page 6) : Hall bath installed. Toilet flange installed

11-16-2018 (page 6) : 2nd floor 80% decked. All trusses in place

11-27-2018 (page 6) : Walk door landing and air compressor pad poured. 2nd floor 100% decked. 2nd floor walls started.

12-03-2018 (page 6) : 2nd floor walls 70% done. Driveway dirt work done, yard dirt started.

1-3-2019 (page 6) : Drain vents started

2-19-2019 (page 6) : All drain vents done. Storage loft access brainstorm. Great room ceiling tin recovery. 1st spread of driveway gravel. 90% electrical boxes and lights hung.

3-21-2019 (page 7) : electrical rough-in 95% done. A/C rough-in 100% done. water supply rough in 100% done. Water filters installed (twice). Doghouse Move-in.

3-27-2019 (page 7) : last loft wall framed.

4-1-2019 (page 7) : Cash added to the family. back wall 75% sheeted.

4-25-2019 (page 7) : Back wall 100%. Ready for spray foam

5-16-2019 (page 7) : Spray foam done!

5-23-2019 (page 7) : Horrible attempt at humor. washer/dryer in. 75% low voltage installed

5-28-2019 (page 7) : Framing odds and ends done. gray water drain installed.

7-1-2019 (page 7) : Drywall delivered. spray foam odds and ends

7-11-2019 (page 8) : Drywall hanging started. Custom Loft door done.

7-17-2019 (page 8) : Drywall hanging done.

8-5-2019 (page 8) : tape, float, texture done. interior paint done. old tin ceiling started. shredder purchased

8-12-2019 (page 8) : old tin ceiling done. Exterior doors installed. A/C turned on

9-3-2019 (page 9) : Doors painted and trim starting to go up
SWCBonfire
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"Toilet room" - I think you meant Pooping Cave

Sounds like a good project - any loft areas, and how big is the "barn" part going to be? Post floor plans if you're able. ETA: and you did while I was typing.
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Before driveway tie-in


Tie-in cleared


Culvert purchased


County installing culvert


Culvert done


Bought a 20' container for storage during the build


How I had to move it

Pad site before clearing-1


Pad site before clearing-2


Burning the brush/trees


Pad site after clearing


Floorplan painted on the ground


Pad going in


Batter boards up


There is a handful of really cool and old oaks that we want to clear the cedars out of and make a "party area"


after about half the clearing done around the oaks
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Looking at you drawing it looks like you already have this......Make sure the exterior wall girts are between the interior columns and not bolted to the outside face of them. This gives you more interior floor space since the columns are tucked into the wall and makes it easier when you have to fir around the columns with your finished wall.
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Very nice!
Aggie Class of '97 and '16, Proud father of Aggie classes of '25 and '29
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Honestly, stain the concrete yourself. It's not that hard or expensive if you follow the instructions. Also make sure you use a high quality sealer (30% solids).

Don't get the stain from lowes, Home Depot or sherwin Williams. Go to a concrete supply house (White Cap, Ram Tool, or CMC).
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This is awesome. I am planning on doing the same project mid 2019.
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A couple of things to consider (if not too late). Assuming this is a weekend home / party house put in a second dishwasher.

Also, 8' ceilings feel low normally, but walking into a 8' ceiling space from a high ceilings building 18'+ will feel like a cave.

Do you have any higher resolution drawings? I can't make out the images on my phone.

Awesome project. I can't wait to watch the process!
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I'm always in for a good barndo thread.
PFG
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You and your machinery for hire? Fantastic job cleaning around those oaks. Looks nice.


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This is awesome. I'd love to do this same thing.

What's your intended use?
How much are you doing yourself?
What's your basic budget for the build?
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What's your budget?
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Can't wait to do the same on my property. Looking forward to the progression of this

What part of central TX?
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Very nice!
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I'd ditch the electric range (unless it's induction, maybe even then) and the microwave over the range. Put the microwave elsewhere and install a proper vent hood over a gas range.

Awesome project. We left our place in the country to be close to our young daughter's grandparents in DFW. No regrets for what we've done but I'm going back to the sticks at some point.
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Building a hangar home right now myself, and I do mean that I am building it. Lots of learning, cussing, and rewarding accomplishments.

Something worth looking into for your barn is a big ass door. Either for equipment, boats, or RVs. Check out the Schweis doors. The hydraulic door could double as an awning for gatherings outside or covered workspace.

I know it's probably not really popular in Texas, but in floor heat is the way to go. I had in my previous house and in the one I'm building. Cheap and easy to operate, especially in concrete floors.
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Those oaks are awesome....we just purchased a small plot covered with mostly cedars and a few smaller oaks....really wish I could have found one I liked with a massive live oak on it.
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Looking at you drawing it looks like you already have this......Make sure the exterior wall girts are between the interior columns and not bolted to the outside face of them. This gives you more interior floor space since the columns are tucked into the wall and makes it easier when you have to fir around the columns with your finished wall.
10/4. Luckily this was thought of before the building was ordered

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Honestly, stain the concrete yourself. It's not that hard or expensive if you follow the instructions. Also make sure you use a high quality sealer (30% solids).

Don't get the stain from lowes, Home Depot or sherwin Williams. Go to a concrete supply house (White Cap, Ram Tool, or CMC).
I would love to do it myself. Any advise on application, specific product, tips/tricks, etc?

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A couple of things to consider (if not too late). Assuming this is a weekend home / party house put in a second dishwasher.

Also, 8' ceilings feel low normally, but walking into a 8' ceiling space from a high ceilings building 18'+ will feel like a cave.

Do you have any higher resolution drawings? I can't make out the images on my phone.

Awesome project. I can't wait to watch the process!
Full-time house. Only 2 people 95% of the time.

The 8' ceilings do have me a bit worried. I'm hoping the trey in the master will really help "transition" you form 18'+ to 8' (the trey will be the majority of the room vs. a small spot in the center that is done sometimes). Also hoping that painting the 8' areas with lighter color paint will help the cave feel.

I'll replace the floorplan in the OP with better pics, just have to find time to redraw/replot.

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You and your machinery for hire? Fantastic job cleaning around those oaks. Looks nice.
Unfortunately no, I'd love to do this type of work more often. I stand behind a desk most of the day to make a living. I have access to some heavy machinery, in this case the dozer happened to be on-site for a different reason so I was able to run it on the weekends to clean my pad.

The oaks were cleaned up by hand (and chainsaw) BTW. Dozer would have been like threading a needle with rope.

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This is awesome. I'd love to do this same thing.

What's your intended use?
How much are you doing yourself?
What's your basic budget for the build?
Use is full time house.
Sub'ing out the foundation, plumbing rough in, HVAC, septic. PLAN on doing everything else myself
Basic budget - trying to keep it right at 200. I have a feeling 250 might be where we end. the term "sweat equity" comes to mind.

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Can't wait to do the same on my property. Looking forward to the progression of this

What part of central TX?
I don't mind letting fellow Ags know, but we are still part of the big 'ol internets. So I'll say this, it is somewhere between Austin and the arm pit of the US (waco).

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I'd ditch the electric range (unless it's induction, maybe even then) and the microwave over the range. Put the microwave elsewhere and install a proper vent hood over a gas range.
Would love to have gas but no gas available. Thought about doing on-site tank but it just wasn't feasible in my situation. While the microwave we bought is an "over the range" model, we still plan on putting in a vent hood and the microwave will go elsewhere.

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Something worth looking into for your barn is a big ass door. Either for equipment, boats, or RVs. Check out the Schweis doors. The hydraulic door could double as an awning for gatherings outside or covered workspace.

I know it's probably not really popular in Texas, but in floor heat is the way to go. I had in my previous house and in the one I'm building. Cheap and easy to operate, especially in concrete floors.
I know a guy who has those doors on his tractor barn, pretty sweet. I definitely have those on my list to consider later on down the road for what Mrs. Gringo and I refer to as "the big house" (a more life-long house when we are a bit older)

We were on the fence about in-floor heat so we decided that if we want it later on, we can tile the floors where we want it and add it then.
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Quote:

I don't mind letting fellow Ags know, but we are still part of the big 'ol internets. So I'll say this, it is somewhere between Austin and the arm pit of the US (waco).

Cool, kinda was just curious on your definition of central Texas. Rib's family is in Cuero and they like to call that "central" Texas. I have a place in Brownwood and i consider that Central TX
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Conduit:
If you're going to run CAT5 (I'd recommend CAT6e as that will be the new standard soon) and any of your other A/V items, please put them in conduit. It will make yours and who ever is installing/upgrading the home now and in the future lives extremely easier.

Additionally, a lot of your A/V (commercial, not sure on residential) equipment can be run on CAT7 cable (could help keep the conduit sizes down as an HDMI connector needs at least a 1" and even that's not easy to pull).

Blocking:
Blocking for hanging heavy items, now & in the future (TV's, art work, gun racks, etc.)

Plumbing:
You want PEX-B, as I believe is it most durable.
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01-17-2018 update

added a larger picture of the living area floorplan to the OP. Also updated the "Security/Audio/Tech" section.

1-13-2018 progress. sorry no pictures. I'll grab some this weekend.

  • Drilled a few holes for my electric meter rack using a Belltec auger (those things are amazing)
  • Started on electric trench from rack to co-op pole
  • spread 2 loads of road base to take some the steepness out of the driveway entrance
  • cleaned a little more on the oaks
  • burned another brush pile

On the list for this weekend:
  • Set poles for meter rack and build rack
  • Install electric conduit in foundation pad (main service line, kitchen island, etc)
  • Finish electric trench between meter rack and co-op pole
  • Drill holes for entrance gate posts
  • trim on oaks more


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Stained concrete DIY does not look that great after a couple of years and shows wear. I've also never seen even a professional one that didn't have issues.

IMO, polished concrete is the only way to go. You can color it. They use a penetrating silicone/solvent type dye. They will polish the floors before you even set the walls.

Insulation- If there isn't a budget. Closed cell, it's waterproof and will strengthen your building. The downside... If you ever have to strip the metal because of storm/ hail damage, I imagine it may be a real PIA. You might ask the erector if he's replaced panels with closed cell sprayed on the back and how big a deal it is.


I had a guy who built his house and ran all the water in the slab in 1 1/2" plastic electrical conduit sleeves. That maybe a little over the top and overkill, but not a bad idea on where the main enters the slab into the building. From there you can go over head with the water. If you ever have to replace the main, no concrete demo required. I always say, It's a lot cheaper to replace drywall than to demo and replace concrete.
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Do you have a $/sq ft estimate?
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SECond2noneAgs said:

Do you have a $/sq ft estimate?
I don't have any land cost in the numbers below. Price per acre varies so much across the state and even by the amount of land you buy. I also rounded some numbers, so if you check my math it may not make 100% sense.

Just the structure (Concrete and the metal building, on the ground and "installed"): $17.50/sq.ft.

The living area (excluding any part of the structure above) : Shooting for $73/sq.ft. but preparing for $102/sq.ft.

The living area (including just the living portion of the structure above) : Shooting for $90/sq/ft. but preparing for $120/sq.ft

The whole barnhouse (includes all the structure and the finish out of living area) : Shooting for $47/sq/ft. but preparing for $58/sq.ft

I understand the difference in "shooting for" and "preparing for" is a huge swing, but I have some unknowns because of the DIY factor. If all goes well and I can do a lot myself we may end up close to the "shooting for" number. If I don't have the time to DIY or I do DIY and screw up something major, we may be up at the "preparing for" number. We shall know which way the DIY factor goes in the next 2 months. (cross your fingers)
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Let me know if you need a price on the stained concrete. We do a lot of work in that area (we're working in Waco right now). It really is not a DIY project.

www.texasconcretedesign.com
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I can vouch for Chris98...I've used him for several projects. He's the best around.
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Chris98 said:

Let me know if you need a price on the stained concrete. We do a lot of work in that area (we're working in Waco right now). It really is not a DIY project.

www.texasconcretedesign.com
Chris - I'll definitely give you a call to get a quote. eighteen eighty-seven correct?

I'll post some of my questions here so that others who may be coming up on a similar project can reference this.
  • It's my understanding that the acid stain process is something along the lines of Apply the acid, let it do its thing (react with the concrete), remove residue, apply sealer over the top. What is the process for doing a polished with color?
  • What's your opinion on acid stain longevity vs. polished with color longevity?
  • Is there any maintenance difference between the 2 processes?
  • If wear and tear does begin to show, does either process allow for a "recoat" or touch-up years down the road and still look decent?
  • If you were building a new home and wanted concrete floors, which process would you go with?
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Stained Concrete/ Floor Finish Option :

My co-worker built his own house in Blanco years back and stained his concrete floors throughout. He said if he had to do it all over again, he would have added integral concrete color to the foundation concrete. This way if you have a chip or scratch in the concrete, you still have the color below it. You only would need to put a clear sealer on the floor after the foundation is poured and finished.

He also said to avoid decomposed granite around the house like the plague as pieces will get picked up by your shoes and you will scratch the floor a lot.

http://www.scofield.com/coloredconcrete_main.html

I am in the commercial construction industry and the product above is one that has given us good results.

I believe the material cost is around $60 per bag and you would need a couple bags for each Concrete truck that arrives during the pour. You add in the color when the truck arrives to your property and the entire batch of concrete turns that color. The concrete placers/finishers should have experience with this method, especially if they have done any flat work around pools, etc.

Just another option for you to investigate!
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Very cool, OP.
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For real cool effect have concrete supplier use local river rock for aggregate. Polish concrete enough to expose/slice aggregate. It'll give you a terrazzo look with bigger stones. I have also seen people throw glass and metal objects in like big nails, wrenches. The polisher will cut right through. Looks like artifacts or something in the floor. The glass is cool.
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+1 for closed cell foam. Open cell foam is just bad news
 
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