those of you who say more chihuahas draw blood than pits, I am here to tell you that you are idiots. I see these things for a living and I can guarantee you the damage these dogs can inflict in a minuscule amount of time is insane.

I find it difficult to believe that anyone who is fairly knowlegeable about dogs would confuse a pit bull and an american bulldog.


Most dogs could attack a person given the right circumstances.

The problem with a pit is that if fights to kill. There is no way to tell that you have successfully bred it out of them. They can go for a long time until the right set of circumstances hit and they attack....once that happens, it's back to square one. Even if one is raised "perfectly", it can act out in frustration if it's energy isn't being drained on a regular basis.

Keeping one around your children is just insane.

PB, I would agree, but my wife (who knows dogs somewhat) just called dog A in my example a pit.

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Not even going to waste my time discussing this worthless breed of dogs anymore. They are ticking time bombs and unfortunately, a small kid is usually holding the bomb when it goes off. These owners need to face jail time when this stuff happens.

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Not even going to waste my time discussing this topic with ignorant animal haters that have nothing better to do than bash an animal because they don't know any better.

There's no such thing as a bad breed of dog, just a bad breed of owner(s).

What do you know about Harrison? Was he a bad breed owner?

Worthless breed.

Someone please share with me what the rationale is for owning one of these dogs.

no kidding the breeders and owners are f-ing idiots. we get that. the difference is a chihuahua isn't going to take a 2 year old's arms off. a pit is simply way too dangerous in the hands of an idiot.

and when you consider that a skittish version of the dog is absolutely a ticking timebomb. friend of a friend used to breed them. he pretty much knew what he was doing, but he made the mistake of buying a skittish one and trying to rescue it. he came home one day and it had killed all the other pits he had...pretty nice breed of dog eh?

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scott, I hope you don't plan on breeding. We have enough idiots in this country already

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been there, done that, and it looks like one is writing

correction pro pit and pro fam

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We had a chihuahua for a few years before having our child. The dog is leery of our 2 year old and has snapped at her and bitten her a few times.

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http://www.ask.com/bar?q=chihuahua+bites+kid+two+year+old+toddler&page=1&qsrc=2417&ab=0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.allexperts.com%2Fq%2FAnimal-Rights-2716%2FChihuahua-versus-Toddler.htm


RAB

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Then we wouldn't get to listen to morons spew bulls**t constantly. This argument is so tired and pathetic and simple minded people just won't ever get it. While I'm sure half the lines are bred up to be complete s**t like their owners eliminating a breed of animal because it is "convenient" for you is a pathetic solution

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Man, what a well thought out response. Complaining at the folks on one side of the arguement while at the same time offering absolutely no information to the topic at hand. You never let me down with your posts. Since "simple minded people" can't figure it out, why don't you offer a solution instead of just wasting my future kid's oxygen.

Let me ask you just this one question MasterAggie.....what is the purpose of owning a dog that:

1. Is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode
2. Has the most aggression of any dog on the planet
3. Has repeatedly attacked families in the uppper and lower class sections of American
4. Is on the news non-stop because of attacks
5. Has many people in America cross breeding these dogs with bigger dogs to make them out of control

And WTF are all these people doing on this board that have never been on here before? Who is this Laurentum, AggieBarstool, scott? You guys never offer any valuable information to this place about the outdoors, but yet want to come on here and ***** and whine about your worthless dog breed. Please stick to the GB with the rest of your "friends".

All I'm saying is that for every dumbarse you have that whines about pits being a worthless breed, you have just as many people that are passionate about defending the breed and pointing out that they are what they are because of the worthless breeders and owners that makes them that way.

And what's this about I've never been on this board before? I'm pretty sure my 1600+ posts begs to differ. In fact, the GB is one of the boards I frequent the least, to get away from trolls like yourself.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...

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I am an ER physician

80-85% percent of dog bites that are severe that I see are pit bulls in my practice

Pit bull lovers explain that.

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I'm agnostic about pit bulls, but pretty motivated by truth and logic.

How the hell can you say 80-85% of bites are pit bites? Do the bite victims bring the dog in with them? How qualified are you at identifying dog breeds by sight? Doesn't matter, because you don't ever see the dogs, just the bites. If you get ANY info as to what breed the dog was, it's hearsay from the (potentially hysterical) victim and/or their family/friends.

Any dog that bites and has a blocky head is automatically a "pit". Labs have blocky heads, too, and how can you say with confidence that the dog wasn't a lab mix, just by hearsay?

Apply some healthy skepticism, guy.

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2. Has the most aggression of any dog on the planet

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You don't know much about dogs do you?

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Since "simple minded people" can't figure it out, why don't you offer a solution instead of just wasting my future kid's oxygen.

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Please tell me you aren't going to reproduce.

Offer a solution? How about not letting worthless trash own animals at all? In case you have never noticed 95% of the pit attacks are from dogs trained to fight and/or are mistreated, chained up, not fed, etc... If you get the info behind the attacks you can see that. I don't own a pit (my dog is part though) and he is well cared for and taken care of. He lets my daughter ride him, lay on him, poke and pull on him and offers up zero aggression. Banning a breed of dog is no solution to anything.

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Man, what a well thought out response.

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Much better than this drivel.

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Not even going to waste my time discussing this worthless breed of dogs anymore. They are ticking time bombs

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If they chose Poodles instead of Pits, people would be having this same discussion about poodles.

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oh, yeah, the killer poodles are coming to get us all

a dachsund (sp?) might be more "aggressive", but can you really even put it in the same class regarding the ability to inflict damage on a person? Please spare us.

If it's just a dog biting a person, we can deal with that on a case by case basis, and most people would be reasonable about it. The difference is, people are being killed....not just attacked or bitten.

I do know that for shear aggressive response, dachshunds may well be the most aggressive breed out there. That was the conclusion of a study conducted by University of Pennsylvania’s Center for the Interaction of Animals and Society, and published in Applied Animal Behavior Science journal (sure there are plenty of holes in the study, but the basic idea is there).
--Here's a reference back to the study, can't link directly to the journal article itself (sorry)
http://fortheloveofthedogblog.com/news-updates/the-most-aggressive-dog-breeds-dachshund-1 freely admit there is a bias on that site.

As Lauren---05 (welcome to the board by the way) mentioned with the Border terrier. They can be aggressive as all get out, and they still aren't going to overly scare most folks. Hell, chiuchaus ranked the second most aggressive, and unless you are a total pansy, they aren't exactly going to scare you.

PB---I understand your arguement, but her comment was in relation to a relative level of aggressivness. Hell, imagine an Anatolian shepperd the attitude of a dachshund----that could be a scary combination, hmmmmmmmmmmmm

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pretty messed up to use statistics like this.

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it's horrible but those are not high statistics. more people drown in bathtubs every year.

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my 14 month old takes a bath every night, but she has NEVER been around a pit bull and will never be left alone with a pit bull

being exposed to a "danger" on regular basis is going to skew any number....

so to make it a fair comparison, everyone would need to give equal exposure to a pitbull as the amount of time in and around a bathtub with water

exactly,

you have 100,000,000 kids taking a bath every night and "x" number die from drowning

you have 100,000 kids exposed to a pitbull on a regular basis and "x-1" kids die from an attack....

and you are unable to understand the statistical significance of the increase danger of being around a pitbull versus taking a bath

there is NO doubt some of the blame belongs with the dog owner, but it is far from 100%

I take my dogs to an off-leash park numerous times a week, and see all kinds of dogs interact. I have seen some that all of the sudden snap and fight with another dog for very little reason after I have watched the dog off an on for weeks or months with no incidents. I have seen good owners dogs slowly become aggressive to the point where they no longer take their dog out, and I have seen dogs become more social over time.

But any of them can get into a fight on any given day if someone is not close at hand to de-escalate the situation. And these are ALL socialized dogs.

The issue isn't that they bite or attack, because all dogs can do that. The real issue is that when they attack, they do a massive amount of damage.

I still have yet to see someone rationalize why there is a purpose for owning this breed of dog.

Labs, I get. Heck, German Sheperds I get. I even get dobermans, which is a breed of dog I really don't like. Same with boxers.

But I don't understand how any sane person can rationalize owning a pit bull. I know some people use them to hunt pigs, but even that reeks of a machismo decision rather than a rational one.

From my perspective, these dogs (and chows) are breeds that have serious issues, and pose a danger to those around them. I've known some chow mixes that were decent dogs, I guess.

But no way I'd let my kid hang around a chow or a pit bull, even if I knew the dog and its owner VERY well.

I can't see the sense in owning one of these, and I haven't seen anyone provide a good reason to own one.

MasterAggie,
I am calling your ass out plain and simple on this. Your have spewed your bull**** comments multiple times on this subject matter, but still have yet to provided the slightest form of stats, evidence or data to back up any of your wasted oxygen. I have provided multiple sources for why your little dog breed is worthless and you have provided nothing. Your opinion is going to get you nowhere with your audience since you are on the same side as all the trailer park, white trash fools that own these dogs. Please back up your statements with atleast a little bit of facts, even though I know that will be hard to do.

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THIS is what I am afraid of if a banning of pits or pit-types happen.

right now it is the pit...but what happens next.

next it will be the dobe, then the rottie, then the german shepard, then the boxer, etc, etc, etc.

it is a never ending cycle.

right now its cool to call for the banning or eradication of pits, but what happens after that??

and i agree with ursus...who determines it is a pit. more than once it has been reported in the news that a pit attacked someone, and then was later changed bc it was not a pit at all, but another breed. most people do not know the difference between breeds of animals.

HELL, i had someone ask me a couple of weeks ago if my dog was part pit, and there is absolutely no mistaking he is all heeler...

people are just uneducated and uninformed on the pit breed, so they tend to over react.

dont get me wrong, I don't trust most pits, but I dont trust most dogs initially either...but the argument that the whole breed is bad is just asinine.

never mind you aren't worth the trouble.


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Can you all please stop lumping all the owners in as dumbasses? That's lumping everyone into the same category, but I'm not Vick and frankly its a pretty crappy thing to do.

I own two crosses. They will never be taken around other dogs, nor kids. But not because they are aggressive. Its to protect them from being lumped into the "horrible dog" category and ending up being the scapegoat for a front page headline. My female had her leg torn open by a dane. It was an unprovoked attack. She was standing there and the dog grabbed her by the neck and started shaking her. 20 staples later and I don't trust other dogs. Had it not been so blatant of an attack by the dane (read had nobody seen the start of the fight) I can guarantee my dog would be blamed.

I own my dogs (rescues) for the same reason some of you own guns - because I can (I'm a bleeding heart and took them out of situations where they have ended up being in a headline like the one the OP posted and that's a good enough explanation for me. Then again, you won't be reading about my dogs or myself in any news headlines any time soon.

So please, stop lumping us all into the same category. You all hate being lumped into the "horrible gun owner" or "horrible hunter" category when something crappy about guns, hunting, etc. is on the front page. There are trash dogs and trash owners, but not all are irresponsible idiots.
For the record I grew up with a Doberman. I guess my parents were idiots for owning an "aggressive breed" with two small kids, but that dog didn't almost take off my sister eyelid like the neighbors dalmation did.

Wasn't talking about you, I'm talking about the comments "Only idiots own these dogs" "What dumbass needs these dogs" and similar floating around.

Same reason I own guns, I will own whatever breed of dog I want be it a dachsund or a pitty or an AmStaff - because I can.

HOWEVER, that does not give me the right to endanger people with a KNOWN dangerous dog. My dogs are not known to be dangerous (having never bit anyone, the last casualty was a swimming pool that the idiot pup put a hole in digging at the cartoon characters on the bottom) therefore why should anyone be able to tell me I can't own them?

Besides, how are you going to determine what is a purebred, and what is a cross? Last I saw on a thread on TexAgs, the doggie DNA stuff didn't work nearly well enough to be able to determine exact breed.

Oh, and to whomever said it's hard for dog people to tell the difference between a pit and an American bulldog - I've run into the same issue with mine. My guy is a lot taller than a regular pitty, therefore I don't think he's a purebred. However, someone said he looked just like the "Homeward Bound" dog (he is black and white,) and asked if he was the same breed.

I don't know that I ever heard of a glock digging itself out from under a fence

Nope, but I know of a felon that we hired where I work that "owns" more than one gun.

You can't keep using the "guns don't dig out of fences."

Dogs end up in the wrong hands. So do guns. Both can be deadly. Where does the regulation begin and end? How can you regulate "pit bulls" when there is no way to determine what is and is not a "pit bull." What happens when they start regulating labradors for "looking like pit bulls?"



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