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Call me a dumbass. That is just the way it is.

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At least you admit it.

karl, I never lived on Southside. In fact, I never lived in a dorm throughout my life at A&M. Much more freedom living off campus. The dorms never interested me.

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A fine example of people actually voting away their liberties based off emotion and an uneducated stance.

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It sure is a good thing you surveyed everyone on why they did or didn't vote for smoking in bars. I didn't realize that everyone who voted was uneducated on the matter at hand.


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The reason we have laws is because we have too many stupid people to just have punishment. In fact, now we are starting to not punish, or shorten the punishment, of many stupid people because or prison system is overflowing.
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No, I think we have overflowing prisons because prison life is easier then being homeless. Nothing outside the prison walls should be easier then what goes on inside the prison walls.

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I very seriously doubt that there is a large majority of people in prison that were homeless prior to their crime. They might have been less fortunate and living in the hood, but not homeless. I would think a majority of people commit crimes because they want something they can't afford. They rob to get money, they steal to get what they can't afford, they rape to get laid, they poach to hunt land they can't afford to hunt, they steal cars because they want to resell it to get money for drugs, etc. They don't go kill someone to get a more comfortable bed in prison or so that they don't have to mow their grass anymore.

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B.S. Where is personal responsibility in all this?

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Ummm, welcome to the year of 2009. Personal responsibility was lost a long time ago.

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It sure is a good thing you surveyed everyone on why they did or didn't vote for smoking in bars. I didn't realize that everyone who voted was uneducated on the matter at hand.

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you're right, i didnt survey them, but the news media did. I found it odd that many people who called themselves 'conservative' were voting in favor of the ban. I call that hypocritical or uneducated; i will even let you pick.

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I very seriously doubt that there is a large majority of people in prison that were homeless prior to their crime. They might have been less fortunate and living in the hood, but not homeless. I would think a majority of people commit crimes because they want something they can't afford. They rob to get money, they steal to get what they can't afford, they rape to get laid, they poach to hunt land they can't afford to hunt, they steal cars because they want to resell it to get money for drugs, etc. They don't go kill someone to get a more comfortable bed in prison or so that they don't have to mow their grass anymore.

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I really want to take the low road and say, "It sure is a good thing you surveyed..."

But it wont do any good. You may think that the majority of people dont 'want' to get into prison. And i would be inclined to agree with you. But prison life is by no means a hard and terrible thing. For if it was, then it would be in the forefront of everyone's minds and they would be more inclined to toe the line.

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Ummm, welcome to the year of 2009. Personal responsibility was lost a long time ago.

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So are you saying that I should just give up on a document that this Great Nation is built on? Since you think that personal responsibility is gone that everyone should just give up and let the government protect, think, and dictate our lives?


Tell me, could you find yourself saying this next line?


Generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties, says what the States cant do to you, says what the Federal government cant do to you, but it doesn't say what the Federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.

-lost long ago

clearly i overestimated you...

you not only have no understanding of our Constitution but also laugh at the ability of our citizenry to be capable of morality....

I don't know why i am surprised, but alas, i am...
for a guy who is almost 30 years old, you have NO grasp on what FREEDOM means....

Your Constitution is one of convenience..

I implore you to truly read the Constitution. Try understanding why each piece was written...what compelled them to feel a need to acknowledge each article...

Then reread it. While it was written 2+ centuries ago, the original 12 amendments are all encompassing, timeless concepts, written out of a moral and practical premise.

As dense as you are I'm beginning to think you don't want to be conservative at all...

i'm a naive 24 year old...but my grasp of why this country is great and my reasons for fighting tooth and nail to keep it great are quite established and have been for many years...

i'm trying to profile you here to figure out just how many roadblocks constitutionalism has...

did you grow up in a big city, small town?
are you religious?
parental status?
drug use?
currently living in the city, burbs, or small town?
do you own firearms?
did you vote for obama?
private or public school?
ethnicity?
is your family newly american or multi-generational american?
what did you study at A&M?
still live in Texas?
...just a few things that might help me understand where it all went wrong


Class of '07
College of Architecture

[This message has been edited by karlthomas (edited 5/26/2009 7:33p).]

Now Karl.... what is it you have against south siders pray tell?

oh crap...

nothing per say...

it isn't you...

...its me

...its not all southsiders...

OK, if I have to do this, based on stereotypes that are totally untrue, that I do not agree with, ya'll would maybe tend not to be very practical.

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I found it odd that many people who called themselves 'conservative' were voting in favor of the ban.

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Just because people are conservatives, that doesn't mean they like smoke being blown down their necks everytime they go out for a cold beer somewhere. It's neither uneducated or hypocritical. It's smart. Do you smoke?

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But prison life is by no means a hard and terrible thing.

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I agree with you 110%. Those guys should be doing hard labor 24/7 as far as I am concerned. I still stand by what I said. There might be some that want to be in there, but I strongly believe the majority are there because they are from lower class areas and got tied up in illegal stuff to support themselves and their habits or are repeat offenders that can't seem to get back into the normal life of society. Don't you think that there is a reason that a majority of the folks in the prison system are from lower class families? Wouldn't that maybe be a hint to you? How many people do you know in the system? Probably not many because I would think you are a little more fortunate and educated. Drive to the 3rd or 4th ward one day and ask some hood rat if he knows anyone in the system. I bet he knows atleast half a dozen. Coincidence? Absolutely not. I didn't interview anyone, but I read alot about that stuff. I have some type of weird interest in prisons and jails.

And I never said anything about giving up on anything. I do however, thing that it is part of our government's job to protect the citizens of the US from the idiots of the US. Let me ask you this, do you think that the screening procedures at the airport are an invasion of privacy?



As for you karl, I mean John Adams. You need to settle down or you are going to break your feather pen if you get any more bent out of shape. There is a history board on Texags. Take it back over there.

once again, on the smoking issue, you fail at being a true conservative.

True conservatism does not rely on the government to police private property.

I'm not a smoker, I HATE smoke, fairly allergic to it, headache for days after going to a bar full of the sh*t...

nevertheless, i CHOOSE to go to a private business to drink and hang out with friends. I am aware smoking is allowed at the establishment because the owner permits it, yet i still attend. This is my CHOICE.

Just cause i hate smoking and think it is awfully bad FOR ME and them, doesn't give me an right to tell that private business owner what he can and can not permit on his property.

As for second hand smoke, once again, no one forces me to go there...


you failed to read my statement that was 'tooooo long'..

so, once again, when you come to something you disagree with and you think should be banned, ask yourself th simple question:

"Why should I actively try to remove someone else's liberties simply because they have the potential to remove mine."

Smoking bans in public areas....i'm all for 'em!

It is public property and thus, the PUBLIC can decide what happens there.

SERIOUSLY, read ad understand the constitution...
you need to get some fundamentals squared away before you can really have mch of a leg to stand on here...every argument you've had so far is nullified with a simple grasp of our founding documents...

karl, let me explain something to you....if I don't ****ing like something and the government decides to ban it, guess what.....it doesn't bother me at all that the government stepped in and banned it. I am not some big political goof like yourself that says somebody has to vote this or has to vote that. As far as I am concerned, if I live my own life, enjoy it, and do what I like to do, I don't need to sit there like yourself and worry about our government doing this or that. Its not my cup of tea. And I sure as hell couldn't care less if somebody like yourself wants to try to be my 4th grade history teacher. Get a life. Go fish or hunt or do something productive with yourself.

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your belief that the government is there to protect you from idiots is your fundamental understanding of governments role in your life.

i'm starting to think you interpret the Constitution as an OLD document that is a hindrance to progress.

you really MUST read the darn document....surely you aren't really this dense...

just take some time, you are already on the internet...pull up the first 12 amendments, read them...understand them..try to figure out why they were written...

if you still feel that your government should protect you and that I in turn should pay taxes to make you feel safe, I think you may have chosen the wrong country...

or at the very least, the wrong state...

and please don't call yourself conservative...i'll believe republican, but a conservative you are not!

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if you still feel that your government should protect you and that I in turn should pay taxes to make you feel safe, I think you may have chosen the wrong country...

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karl, are you asking me if I think we need the police department, airport security, and the US army? Because all of those are forms of the government protecting the citizens of this country.

But what about Pit Bulls ? ? ? This thread took an awkward turn.

What we should really do is ban 209" aoudads, coach purses and DVMs who can't figure out how to post pictures along with their lawyer beetches

We will deal with those damn pit bulls later.

Who's with me?

So if one of these things grabs me, or worse, my kid, what's the best way to break them off?

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But what about Pit Bulls ? ? ? This thread took an awkward turn.

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Not really. It is an argument on private property and liberty.

These are key to the original argument started on whether or not people should be allowed to own pit bulls.

Well... I suppose one alternative would be, in lieu of eradicating the breed, ban them from all public places.... ala the smoking example.

And by all, I mean all. Which would mean pit bulls are not only disallowed in the obvious places like parks.... but also streets, sidewalks, etc. Basically, they are banned from public view.

And oh yeah.... ban them from being able to smoke too.

Rogue,

How does one determine what is a pit vs. amstaff vs. american bulldog etc.?

There's no possible way to tell what a mix is mixed with, nor is every single person in the populace able to discern a pit vs.a beagle (a la ursus' example.)

And yes, ban them from smoking. And force them to wear seatbelts

Therein lies the problem.

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You'll have to ask someone smarter than me regarding dogs how to do that. I'm not sure.

I wish I had the answers. Because IMO, to continue down our current path (of complete inaction regarding this breed) isn't prudent.

And yes.... smoking dogs..... national crisis I tell ya!

For God's sake let the pit bulls keep smoking!

Can you even fathom how irritable they'll be if they have to quit?

txaggie02- "if I don't ****ing like something and the government decides to ban it, guess what.....it doesn't bother me at all that the government stepped in and banned it."

Your Constitution is one of convenience!

What makes you believe that others will rush to uphold rights you deem important but they don't like...?

It is not a give and take document, it is a black and white document.

Your distaste for a given freedom should NEVER be reason to remove it from someone else...there is ALWAYS someone out there who will in turn remove a right you cherish but they do not agree with....you will have no leg to stand on when they want to remove your right to gun ownership when you've stripped them of their freedoms.

As to protecting the american citizenry from themselves, the police depts are city and state run, not federal. States can do whatever the hell they want so long as it doesn't violate LL&POS. As to your airport security, CIA, FBI, military, all of these things neatly fall under the realm of a document you may have heard me mention previously....

There are provisions for NATIONAL SECURITY...though the level to which the federal government can provide that security is limited in the Constitution so as they have the inability to remove personal liberties from their citizenry for 'national security' reasons (IE: PATRIOT ACT)

As a rule, you should read the Constitution and then, when you think you have something smart to say like "what do you think of police depts and airport security" think about what our founding documents provide for and who they give power too...

Seriously, do something American today and try a history lesson; read our Constitution...it is in fact, why you are here today in the capacity you enjoy.

Class of '07
College of Architecture

We'll let 'em use the patch.

Seems to me that all the state and municipal laws that the local law enforcement enforces are "Constitutional" in nature or lots of folks would be getting out of prison because the law they broke was deemed "Unconstitutional", no?

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What if we make the pit bulls read the Constitution

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That wouldn't work because most of their owners would have to learn to read before they could teach the dog...

Look! New fodder!!

Residents owning dogs that have, without provocation, bitten someone during the last 12 years, will be required to register their pet with the city clerk’s office. Pit bull, Doberman, Rottweiler and German shepherd owners, will also have to register their dogs whether they have ever attacked someone or not.[/url]

i've only read the first 3 pages, but it's pretty funny, and probably completely lost on them, but the posters that are vehemently against pit bulls use the same rhetoric and emotionally charged arguments that the anti-gun lobby uses for "assault rifles" and high capacity magazines.

schmendler you are comparing apples to rotten apples...

give me a logical and functional reason to own a pit bull and not another breed of dog...

you don't have to feed them as many babies as a Rottweiler.

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give me a logical and functional reason to own a pit bull and not another breed of dog...

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sounds just like a question a person afraid of guns would ask of a person wanting to own an "assault rifle". since when do you have to justify your rights to own what ever gun you want?

only if you the asker has fear of the item do questions like that make sense. the real answer is that with responsible ownership, that dangerous (read: scary) item is perfectly reasonable to have in your home.

Then if you own one of these dogs you should be held responsible for controlling the dog. Therefore you would need to be licensed to own an aggressive breed and any incident, including unprovoked attacks, would result in loss of license. This in turn would make it illegal to own the dogs without a license and would cut down on “aggression” breeding and dog fighting in general. I think only then would you slowly see these breeds emerge with the "good dog" characteristics and they would lose their stigma of baby killing death machines. I’m no specialist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

for Chick06!

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give me a logical and functional reason to own a pit bull and not another breed of dog...

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There's not one. Just as there is no logical/functional reason to own an EBR.

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sounds just like a question a person afraid of guns would ask of a person wanting to own an "assault rifle". since when do you have to justify your rights to own what ever gun you want?

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1st - you dont have the right to own whatever dog you want... so your comparison is flawed

2nd - if anyone that actually owns or supports ownership of "assault rifles" is asked what they intend to use it for they will give them a straight answer because odds are they arent a liberal, and odds are that answer will make sense

3rd - an assault rifle has a trigger that has to be pulled by an operator... there is no control over when the dog will attack

Unless you have an answer, I will just assume you are trying to make an asinine comparison between an inanimate object and a violent dog breed...

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you dont have the right to own whatever dog you want

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Um, excuse me? Says who?