*******The Official Houston Texans 2022: AW Thread************

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Defense should be better without even considering draft picks
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BCSGrubber said:



Defense should be better without even considering draft picks
That is awesome news. I'm thinking if we get the best DE at #12 this defense is all of a sudden positioned to be able to accomplish some serious goals this year.
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Are we able to get these guys bc they want to play for our head coach?

I'm very surprised at how well they are doing.
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I think one aspect of these short deals is creating a bit of buzz surrounding the Texans as far as players and FA are concerned.

I'm guessing the Texans have a bad reputation with a lot of players due to how things have gone over the past few years.

Nick is selling them on 'Hey look we want you but we understand we have some work to do. Take a short term deal and come see what we're all about. See how we're building this thing and if you don't like it then you're off the hook and hitting the market again'.

It's a win-win for player and team. Players can come in and make a difference and prove it and team is not weighed down by huge bloated contracts during a rebuild.
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Ag_07 said:

I think one aspect of these short deals is creating a bit of buzz surrounding the Texans as far as players and FA are concerned.

I'm guessing the Texans have a bad reputation with a lot of players due to how things have gone over the past few years.

Nick is selling them on 'Hey look we want you but we understand we have some work to do. Take a short term deal and come see what we're all about. See how we're building this thing and if you don't like it then you're off the hook and hitting the market again'.

It's a win-win for player and team. Players can come in and make a difference and prove it and team is not weighed down by huge bloated contracts during a rebuild.
Exactly, you're hoping to get players excited about playing here and building momentum for next year. And in doing it this way you're only locking down franchise players and draft picks right now. As the players prove themselves we can offer them long term contracts if they want but they can test the market. If they get big money somewhere else it means that they balled out here, which also means it will be that much easier to find a replacement for them next year in free agency and/or the draft.
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The downside, though, is that the players can literally walk for nothing. So if they come and hit it big, the Texans get no compensation in return for them leaving and have to replace. I'm fine with that as I believe Nick's goal is to replace them with younger players from the draft, but it could create holes.

While he was not a superstar, Jordan Akins is an example of this. Came in and had a pretty productive season, signed by the Browns and the Texans are looking for a new TE.
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Texan_Aggie said:

The downside, though, is that the players can literally walk for nothing. So if they come and hit it big, the Texans get no compensation in return for them leaving and have to replace. I'm fine with that as I believe Nick's goal is to replace them with younger players from the draft, but it could create holes.

While he was not a superstar, Jordan Akins is an example of this. Came in and had a pretty productive season, signed by the Browns and the Texans are looking for a new TE.
But they signed Dalton Shultz who is arguably a big upgrade over Akins? So I'm not sure that is a good example. I don't think it will create that many holes unless players hate DeMeco Ryans as a head coach, which I don't see happening.
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IrishAg said:

Texan_Aggie said:

The downside, though, is that the players can literally walk for nothing. So if they come and hit it big, the Texans get no compensation in return for them leaving and have to replace. I'm fine with that as I believe Nick's goal is to replace them with younger players from the draft, but it could create holes.

While he was not a superstar, Jordan Akins is an example of this. Came in and had a pretty productive season, signed by the Browns and the Texans are looking for a new TE.
But they signed Dalton Shultz who is arguably a big upgrade over Akins? So I'm not sure that is a good example. I don't think it will create that many holes unless players hate DeMeco Ryans as a head coach, which I don't see happening.

I thought I heard if Shultz walks then the Texans get a 3rd round comp pick in the draft.
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3B Paul 97 said:

IrishAg said:

Texan_Aggie said:

The downside, though, is that the players can literally walk for nothing. So if they come and hit it big, the Texans get no compensation in return for them leaving and have to replace. I'm fine with that as I believe Nick's goal is to replace them with younger players from the draft, but it could create holes.

While he was not a superstar, Jordan Akins is an example of this. Came in and had a pretty productive season, signed by the Browns and the Texans are looking for a new TE.
But they signed Dalton Shultz who is arguably a big upgrade over Akins? So I'm not sure that is a good example. I don't think it will create that many holes unless players hate DeMeco Ryans as a head coach, which I don't see happening.

I thought I heard if Shultz walks then the Texans get a 3rd round comp pick in the draft.
Yeah, I've heard the same thing, that some of the guys we've signed would get us comp picks if they walk. Which would be double bonus.



So to follow-up, here is the comp pick structure:
"When awarding compensatory picks, the NFL uses a formula that accounts for a player's average salary per year (APY), snap count and postseason awards. The exact specifics of the formula are confidential, but we do know it also takes into consideration a player's history of playing time (or lack thereof). "

So if any of the 1 year guys ball out for us, then sign huge contracts somewhere else, and/or win a post season award we would get comp picks next year.
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To follow up, if we have a decent season this year, we can probably make a huge leap next year




Just crazy to think about compared to where we were 2 years ago
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Only this board thinks we are a garbage franchise. Its not like we became a top 5 NFL player experience overnight.
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It pretty much has been overnight.

Just 2-3 years ago it was being run by an incompetent a hole trying to get fired and his youth minister cronie and multiple players including JJ Watt asked to be shipped out of town.
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Project Gemini said:

Only this board thinks we are a garbage franchise. Its not like we became a top 5 NFL player experience overnight.
HA! You obviously don't frequent a lot of Houston Texans message boards. This place is actually one of the more optimistic places to discuss the Texans
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Project Gemini said:

Only this board thinks we are a garbage franchise. Its not like we became a top 5 NFL player experience overnight.
This is obviously different than the rep the front office earned the last several years going back to making BOB the GM and all the buffoonery that ensued. The criticism was warranted, but things are looking better now.
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DeMeco is in the honeymoon period so everything is wine and roses.

it is hilarious to see the national and local media suddenly praising every move the Texans make
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Well every move they've made this off-season is worth praising.

Not only are they good moves but it's the execution of clear plan that is what's promising.
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Lots of rumblings that Buffalo has emerged as the leader for a DHop trade with ARI.
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Buffalo can add as many great pieces around as possible, but I'm still not buying Josh Allen over Mahomes or Burrow in the playoffs.
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IrishAg said:

To follow up, if we have a decent season this year, we can probably make a huge leap next year




Just crazy to think about compared to where we were 2 years ago
Tunsil telling all the players cowboy cal is handing out contracts. Unfortunately it's a salary cap league.
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Bryce Young basically 5-11

So, concerns?
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LB12Diamond said:

Bryce Young basically 5-11

So, concerns?

I'm confused by your comment. He's 5'10", per the NFL combine. Same height as Kyler.

The height alone isn't the concern. He's also really skinny. Not surprisingly, he declined to weigh in at his pro day when he had to move around.

So basically he's 5'10" 195, if you take his listed weight at Alabama at face value. They also listed him at 6', so it's possible his playing weight is even lower.
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Are you using Kyler

As justification

LOL

At least use Breeze

A good short QB
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I didn't word that well. Bryce being 5'10" is a concern, but it goes beyond that as well. He's also really thin and doesn't have Kyler's wheels. There's really no one you can point to and say "because this guy has made it, Bryce should be able to as well." You'd basically be betting that Bryce is a unicorn.

So yes, his size is a huge concern and will present challenges from a scheme perspective. QB sneaks, designed runs, deep throws, longer developing routes all typically result in hits to the QB, and Bryce will be at greater risk to concussions due to his height (shots to the head) and weight (getting driven back and bouncing off the turf ala Tua).

Doesn't guarantee that he will be a bust either. I don't think anyone really questions his talent. He has the best tape of the QBs. They all have risks and concerns. Just a question which risks the team is more comfortable with taking.
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I'm not in love with any of these guys. If we could trade down a few spots and just draft the guy who is still there then I would be fine with that.

Caserio and Meco are not attending any of these pro days in person so no real tip of the hand on what they are thinking.
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I think the top two QB guys have what it takes to succeed. Yes Young is much smaller than you might hope but he 100% has it between the ears, which you can't necessarily say about anyone else but Stroud.

To me you take one and start building. Just as in business, you can't always make a perfect choice but you have to make a choice and a plan.

I think they have a plan and like both options.

This offseason has been a good one for resetting the program. Let's see how they carry that through the draft.
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You have two, generational qbs coming next year. Typical Texans luck to have top 2 pick year before
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


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coastalAg said:

Caserio and Meco are not attending any of these pro days in person so no real tip of the hand on what they are thinking.

At first I thought this was very odd and a huge mistake but once I heard Nick explain why they don't attend it makes sense.

Nick has said that combine and pro days are nice but they really assess off the game tape. There's tons of tape to pour over and you get all the information you need from that. When you start making decisions off of combines and pro days where the environment is controlled and sample size is small then you start making knee jerk reactions and letting that cloud your judgement (ie Anthony Richardson flying up boards off combine results).

When I heard that I kinda thought 'Huh...That's pretty smart. Makes sense'.
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I believe the Texans have Cleveland's first round pick next year as well as their own. Plenty of draft capital to move up to take a qb if necessary. Mahomes, Watson, Herbert, Josh Allen, Rodgers none of these guys were top 2 picks in the draft.

In fact, 15 QBs have been taken first in the NFL draft this century. Only Eli Manning and Stafford have won the Super Bowl and Burrow May be the only other 1 who could win a future Super Bowl. Of course Brady, Favre, Montana weren't even first round picks.
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Mr.Bond said:

You have two, generational qbs coming next year. Typical Texans luck to have top 2 pick year before
When picking QB's, there is always a crowd that says wait until next year. Next year there will be several Hall of Famers available for the picking, instead of the riff raff that is there this season.

I don't buy this argument.

Lots of QB's fizzle out going into their final year. Here are a few: Matt Barkley, Brett Hundley, Connor Cook, Christian Hackenberg, Jake Locker, Chris Simms, Josh Rosen, Spencer Rattler.

There is no guarantee the Texans will be near the top of the draft next year to get Caleb Williams, who is the only QB who seems close to "can't miss" at this point. And, if a QB needy team gets the first pick, they will be taking him. I got to watch Maye a little...he is good, but I'm not sold he is better than the top 2 in this draft.

So why gamble for "next year" when you have two prospects (Young and Stroud) who seem to have every tool necessary to be a good NFL QB? Every once in a while there seems to be that Andrew Luck or Trevor Lawrence (and maybe Caleb Williams) that everybody seems to think is a no-brainer, and if there isn't one of those guys, then you shouldn't draft a QB. The last time the Texans were eyeing a QB in the draft, there was also a lot of "this just isn't a good quarterback class" or "there isn't a true franchise guy in this class" talk. They traded up for DeShaun Watson, who (personal issues aside) is a legit star quarterback. He went after Patrick Mahomes, the best QB of his generation, and a guy who might give Brady a run before his career is over. Both were drafted in the middle of the first.

My point is that drafting a QB is crapshoot. The Texans need to take advantage of being where they are in the draft in a year where there is a QB prospect worthy of going second overall. It may not work out, and if so, you cut bait in a few years and try again. Can't be scared to roll the dice.

In the Shanahan/Kubiak system, both Young and Stroud should be successful. I'm hoping we get Young, but I think the Texans will get a good starting quarterback either way. Trading back or selecting Will Anderson is safe and dull.
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Mr.Bond said:

You have two, generational qbs coming next year. Typical Texans luck to have top 2 pick year before

Drake Maye is generational? Holy **** man. Or please tell me you're not talking about Ewers
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Ag_07 said:

coastalAg said:

Caserio and Meco are not attending any of these pro days in person so no real tip of the hand on what they are thinking.

At first I thought this was very odd and a huge mistake but once I heard Nick explain why they don't attend it makes sense.

Nick has said that combine and pro days are nice but they really assess off the game tape. There's tons of tape to pour over and you get all the information you need from that. When you start making decisions off of combines and pro days where the environment is controlled and sample size is small then you start making knee jerk reactions and letting that cloud your judgement (ie Anthony Richardson flying up boards off combine results).

When I heard that I kinda thought 'Huh...That's pretty smart. Makes sense'.
The all time example of that was they year Jeff George was drafted #1 overall. He went into the combine as a JAG but was throwing accurate 80 yard bombs and everyone moved him to the top of their board.
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mAgnoliAg said:

Mr.Bond said:

You have two, generational qbs coming next year. Typical Texans luck to have top 2 pick year before

Drake Maye is generational? Holy **** man. Or please tell me you're not talking about Ewers


Arch?
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He's probably talking about the USC QB Caleb Williams. He seems like he has a lot of growing up to do.
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Williams is a d-bag supreme. Don't want him in Houston.
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