You are correct. League can't appeal the facts she determined. And does not want to. The are appealing the punishment.
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Yeah and since this process was collectively bargained I'm not sure Watsons side has any standing to sue.
I guess they're hoping to get it caught up in the courts and maybe delay the suspension.
Not sure that a smart move since there's a chance that makes the suspension later in the season with the possibility of it being for playoff games. Especially if he plays starting the season.
Pretty interesting to see all this play out. Glad it's not really the Texans problem anymore.
I guess they're hoping to get it caught up in the courts and maybe delay the suspension.
Not sure that a smart move since there's a chance that makes the suspension later in the season with the possibility of it being for playoff games. Especially if he plays starting the season.
Pretty interesting to see all this play out. Glad it's not really the Texans problem anymore.
Really surprised Roger isn't handling the appeal. Going to be interesting to see he appoints.
Ag_07 said:
Yeah and since this process was collectively bargained I'm not sure Watsons side has any standing to sue.
I guess they're hoping to get it caught up in the courts and maybe delay the suspension.
Not sure that a smart move since there's a chance that makes the suspension later in the season with the possibility of it being for playoff games. Especially if he plays starting the season.
Pretty interesting to see all this play out. Glad it's not really the Texans problem anymore.
Unless the NFLPA files an appeal to the 6 game suspension by end of today, the 6 games will stand. Any court case filed against the NFL if the suspension is increased would not delay the 6 game suspension.
Even with the ruling already being appealed by the NFL? This whole thing sounds like a mess.dcaggie04 said:Ag_07 said:
Yeah and since this process was collectively bargained I'm not sure Watsons side has any standing to sue.
I guess they're hoping to get it caught up in the courts and maybe delay the suspension.
Not sure that a smart move since there's a chance that makes the suspension later in the season with the possibility of it being for playoff games. Especially if he plays starting the season.
Pretty interesting to see all this play out. Glad it's not really the Texans problem anymore.
Unless the NFLPA files an appeal to the 6 game suspension by end of today, the 6 games will stand. Any court case filed against the NFL if the suspension is increased would not delay the 6 game suspension.
rbcs_2 said:Even with the ruling already being appealed by the NFL? This whole thing sounds like a mess.dcaggie04 said:Ag_07 said:
Yeah and since this process was collectively bargained I'm not sure Watsons side has any standing to sue.
I guess they're hoping to get it caught up in the courts and maybe delay the suspension.
Not sure that a smart move since there's a chance that makes the suspension later in the season with the possibility of it being for playoff games. Especially if he plays starting the season.
Pretty interesting to see all this play out. Glad it's not really the Texans problem anymore.
Unless the NFLPA files an appeal to the 6 game suspension by end of today, the 6 games will stand. Any court case filed against the NFL if the suspension is increased would not delay the 6 game suspension.
Yes, if NFLPA doesn't appeal the 6 games, then that means both side have agreed on a minimum of six games. No matter what happens with the NFL appeal, he would still serve at least 6 games.
I also think the NFL doesn't want Deshaun to play in Houston (Week 13). I'd look for a 12 game suspension which puts him back the week after HOU.
Ok I see your point now. Not sure why it wasn't clear.
Listening to talking heads and reading about the initial ruling, it seems the talking heads don't understand why the ruling was what it was…the judge used the NFL precedent on matters similar to this situation…but if you read the ruling she blasted Watson…I don't blame the NFL for appealing and going for more games…Watson deserves it.
And maybe that was the play the whole time. Robinson finds Deshaun guilty of what was alleged without question. Her job was to determine facts and the suspension was never going to be left to her. NFL appeals the penalty and Goodell delegates to someone who doesn't have to deal with facts, but increases the suspension.
It's somewhat obvious, I think. Goodell is trying to abide strictly by the new CBA and distance his involvement so he's not the one attacked as having an iron fist.
It's somewhat obvious, I think. Goodell is trying to abide strictly by the new CBA and distance his involvement so he's not the one attacked as having an iron fist.
Yes and a former judge, she followed the precedent of the NFL, Watson is about to get the hammer.
And what does everyone think the suspension should be?
1 year and a fine…if more women come out and it is investigated that there is stuff going on there, an indefinite suspension.
yes, that is a big reason as well.Texan_Aggie said:
I also think the NFL doesn't want Deshaun to play in Houston (Week 13). I'd look for a 12 game suspension which puts him back the week after HOU.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/deshaun-watson-shot-down-this-settlement-offer-from-the-nfl-that-would-have-suspended-him-for-less-than-a-year/
They say Deshaun could have settled for 12 games before the judge's ruling but Deshaun didn't want anything more than 6 or a fine. The NFL proposed 12 games and an 8-10 million fine.
It will be hilarious when it is for the full year and an even bigger fine.
I was listening to a podcast earlier that had a former player and team rep for the NFLPA. He said that he thinks the NFLPA is standing by Watson because they have obligations to but behind the scenes they are likely giving Goodell the thumbs up to appeal.
He said several times while he was involved, the NFL came to the player reps with proposed punishments for guys that that ran afoul of league rules to gauge their opinion. He said that for this, there is no way that the player reps would think six games is enough.
He said several times while he was involved, the NFL came to the player reps with proposed punishments for guys that that ran afoul of league rules to gauge their opinion. He said that for this, there is no way that the player reps would think six games is enough.
Makes me wonder if Deshaun would be willing to negotiate on the suspension now, or if that is even an option. If he doesn't, he will miss a full year. Goodell isn't going to let this one go.
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Part of me is curious on whether the NFL actually wants to drag this out. Every team outside of Cleveland, and the NFL itself, are miffed about his contract. Not just the guaranteed money but the fact that Cleveland structured in a way to minimize his lost income specifically this season.rbcs_2 said:
Makes me wonder if Deshaun would be willing to negotiate on the suspension now, or if that is even an option. If he doesn't, he will miss a full year. Goodell isn't going to let this one go.
If the NFL figured out a way to drag any of the suspension into 2023 then Watson loses real money for each game he's out. The current suspension of 6 games results in a loss of around $350k I believe, $1MM salary for 2022 is basically $58k/game for 17 games. (I know this is overly simplified.) His salary in 2023 jumps from $1MM to $46MM, which equates to $2.6MM/game. Those 6 games next season would cost him over $15MM.
I legitimately believe the NFL wants to punish Cleveland for this contract, the number of games they suspend Watson will be their way of punishing Cleveland. I also believe the NFL wants to punish Watson financially well beyond the $1MM he stands to lose for this season alone.
If the NFL previously offered a suspension of 12 games and a fine of roughly $10MM to close the book on this thing it means they want their pound of flesh from both Watson and the Browns.
Watson didn't even want to go to Cleveland. He told them they were out, then they offered him a contract so significant, including financial protections in the event he was suspended for an entire season, that he agreed to sign there.
I've been curious that if Watson's camp or Caserio told them they were out whether it's possibly considered tampering if they came back after the fact. I know that's probably a stretch, but it's just always felt to me like him going there after they were told they were out because of this ridiculous contract was wrong and really underhanded.
This is just me speculating. But it seems to me that the NFL is trying to give Watson another chance to accept a package of a longer suspension and hefty fine.
Otherwise he will very likely get the indefinite suspension (at least a year) option. He should do everything to avoid that because that would be two full years out of the league. Not easy to come back from.
The NFLPA also appears to be trying to walk a tightrope here between performing their duty and not wanting to seem like they are the bad guys in this.
Otherwise he will very likely get the indefinite suspension (at least a year) option. He should do everything to avoid that because that would be two full years out of the league. Not easy to come back from.
The NFLPA also appears to be trying to walk a tightrope here between performing their duty and not wanting to seem like they are the bad guys in this.
So the Browns came out and said Deshaun will start their preseason opener pending any change in his status. Meanwhile Roger is out there essentially calling Deshaun a sexual predator.
There's no way Goddell let's him take the field right? Preseason or not.
Seems like Cleveland is just trying to piss off the NFL in every way possible. I don't see how a lengthy or even indefinite suspension isn't coming from the NFL.
There's no way Goddell let's him take the field right? Preseason or not.
Seems like Cleveland is just trying to piss off the NFL in every way possible. I don't see how a lengthy or even indefinite suspension isn't coming from the NFL.
yes, very spiteful decision by the Browns
I still don't get why the players agreed to this in the CBA. There's an "impartial" judgement first but if the NFL doesn't like it they get to appeal and use their own judge or Goodell can rule himself? So they basically still get to rule in all big cases?
The impartial arbiter is who decides on the facts. The severity of the punishment is all that can be appealed. It was a step in the right direction for the players.
This is the Browns and Haslem. This is not exactly a squeaky clean businessman or operation.
Say what you want about the McNair's, but they've always been classy and professional despite their incompetence.
Say what you want about the McNair's, but they've always been classy and professional despite their incompetence.
Hey staff, I suggest changing the thread title to "Cleveland Browns/Watson Idiocy" thread
It's far more interesting than anything the Texans will do for a bit.
Rather discuss this over who the 52nd man on the Texans roster will be or what the 3 deep depth chart looks like at punt returner.
They hired a pastor to oversee all player personnel, who promptly looked the other way when the star QB turned the training room into a brothel. That slimy managing structure is still empowered AND the organization quickly settled with the victims to make the pressure go away.Texan_Aggie said:
This is the Browns and Haslem. This is not exactly a squeaky clean businessman or operation.
Say what you want about the McNair's, but they've always been classy and professional despite their incompetence.
The Texans are neither classy nor professional.
As terrible as the Texans have been recently, consider this as Exhibit A for Browns' ultimate suckitude - their list of opening week quarterbacks every year from 2000-2017 before they got Mayfield.
2000 - Doug Pederson
2001 Tim Couch
2002 Tim Couch
2003 Kelly Holcomb
2004 Jeff Garcia
2005 Trent Dilfer
2006 Charlie Frye
2007 Derek Anderson
2008 Derek Anderson
2009 Brady Quinn
2010 Colt McCoy
2011 Colt McCoy
2012 Brandon wWeeden
2013 Jason Campbell
2014 Brian Hoyer
2015 Josh McCown
2016 Cody Kessler
2017 DeShone Kizer
2000 - Doug Pederson
2001 Tim Couch
2002 Tim Couch
2003 Kelly Holcomb
2004 Jeff Garcia
2005 Trent Dilfer
2006 Charlie Frye
2007 Derek Anderson
2008 Derek Anderson
2009 Brady Quinn
2010 Colt McCoy
2011 Colt McCoy
2012 Brandon wWeeden
2013 Jason Campbell
2014 Brian Hoyer
2015 Josh McCown
2016 Cody Kessler
2017 DeShone Kizer
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AG@RICE said:They hired a pastor to oversee all player personnel, who promptly looked the other way when the star QB turned the training room into a brothel. That slimy managing structure is still empowered AND the organization quickly settled with the victims to make the pressure go away.Texan_Aggie said:
This is the Browns and Haslem. This is not exactly a squeaky clean businessman or operation.
Say what you want about the McNair's, but they've always been classy and professional despite their incompetence.
The Texans are neither classy nor professional.
Cal's response:
Watson's availability is a big deal to Texan fans because that will affect the W-L record and their draft position. If he sits the Texans will be picking up a higher pick in each round.
gougler08 said:
I still don't get why the players agreed to this in the CBA.
Because for 95% of players, this will never apply to them. Getting more money is more important issue.