*****Dallas Cowboys 2022 Offseason Thread*****

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McGovern plays RG well (for whatever reason he's much worse at LG). Our best 5 guys, left to right, are Steele, Tyler Smith, Tyler B, McGovern, Martin.

Unless they get somebody else, Zack needs to move to RT. We cannot go into the season with Ball.

Pretty sure they will sign somebody.
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We have an excess of quality D-lineman so we need to use one as trade bait for a new tackle. Also, Tyron just needs to retire.
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Ag Natural said:

Well he's only 31 and missed 6 games last season. I think everyone assumed he would miss some time. That's why they drafted Ball and Waletsko. Smith also play LT in college. So they probably figured they were covered. Unfortunately, Ball has been terrible and Walesko had a shoulder problem. They definitely need to trade for someone.
He's only 31 but entered the league at 21. Hes been very injury pronee since about 5-6 years into his career, but still very good for most of it.
He made the probowl off his name last year, and only played 11 games. He was definitely not bad, but the writing was on the wall that we should be looking to draft his replacement.
Or at least looking to acquire a serviceable backup.
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$20M under the cap. We should be making a deal last night. We need to bring in the most talented free agent today. We can't go into the year with Ball. I'm thinking Eric Fisher on line 1.
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Ouch
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Reggiesankles said:

$20M under the cap. We should be making a deal last night. We need to bring in the most talented free agent today. We can't go into the year with Ball. I'm thinking Eric Fisher on line 1.


100%. They also need to be considering trading draft picks (cost will be high) to bring in a permanent solution. This problem is not going away.
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That's a brutal injury. I think the assumption has to be done for the year. Maybe they can get him for the playoffs, if there are any
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Can we do take-back on letting Collins walk?
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DannyDuberstein said:

That's a brutal injury. I think the assumption has to be done for the year. Maybe they can get him for the playoffs, if there are any
My best guess is this is the nail. I don't think he'll make it back. If so, it's temporary. We need a permanent solution and should have addressed this during the offseason. Sucks.
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The PT once it heals is multiple months just to get range of motion/strength back. December would be an ideal time frame. Betting man would say his season is over.
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ac04 said:

if only there had been some indication that tyron was injury prone and a figuring out backup plan this offseason might be a good idea. dang it
The Cowboys simply cannot operate in a salary cap world. We're always chasing our tails. As soon as one position group is shored up, we're plugging a different hole (or three). We struggle to identify and develop talent, and rarely have quality depth.

With the amount of money Jerry has, roster management shouldn't be lacking. It should be THE primary focus of the team management. But it's always an issue.

When Jerry could buy players, we were good. Ever since the salary cap was instituted, we've been in football purgatory.
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Now imagine if we didnt draft Tyler Smith…

We should have invested in Tyron's backup years ago. I cant remember the last time he played a full season, if ever
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AgGrad99 said:

ac04 said:

if only there had been some indication that tyron was injury prone and a figuring out backup plan this offseason might be a good idea. dang it
The Cowboys simply cannot operate in a salary cap world. We're always chasing our tails. As soon as one position group is shored up, we're plugging a different hole (or three). We struggle to identify and develop talent, and rarely have quality depth.

With the amount of money Jerry has, roster management shouldn't be lacking. But it always is. When Jerry could buy players, we were good. Ever since the salary cap was instituted, we've been in football purgatory.


I don't want this is come across as defending Dallas for the OT situation because they have clearly mishandled that.

However, I think the bolded part is a bit of a cheap shot. Dallas has actually been really good at drafting and developing players. I also think folks need to realize that in a salary cap world, EVERY SINGLE team deals with issues like one or two position groups being thin. It's just really impossible to expect a team to have quality depth at every single position group in this salary cap world.
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Macarthur said:

AgGrad99 said:

ac04 said:

if only there had been some indication that tyron was injury prone and a figuring out backup plan this offseason might be a good idea. dang it
The Cowboys simply cannot operate in a salary cap world. We're always chasing our tails. As soon as one position group is shored up, we're plugging a different hole (or three). We struggle to identify and develop talent, and rarely have quality depth.

With the amount of money Jerry has, roster management shouldn't be lacking. But it always is. When Jerry could buy players, we were good. Ever since the salary cap was instituted, we've been in football purgatory.


I don't want this is come across as defending Dallas for the OT situation because they have clearly mishandled that.

However, I think the bolded part is a bit of a cheap shot. Dallas has actually been really good at drafting and developing players. I also think folks need to realize that in a salary cap world, EVERY SINGLE team deals with issues like one or two position groups being thin. It's just really impossible to expect a team to have quality depth at every single position group in this salary cap world.

Agreed. Cowboys are actually really good at drafting most of the time and decent at developing players overall.

But releasing La'el Collins knowing Tyron would be hurt at some point and failing to utilize premium draft capital to replace Tyron years ago is just bad
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I dont expect it at every position....but I disagree that the Cowboys are good at it. If anything, they've improved to adequate in recent years. But being thin at a position seemingly bites us in the butt over and over again.

It's more than just the draft though. You have to also manage your roster/Cap well, in order to avoid being critically thin in spots. We knew we needed help on the OL.

If LVE is healthy again, we have quality depth at LB. And we have depth at DL.

Where else? WR? QB? OL? DB? None of those. Maybe RB, but we're going to (over)-use Zeke again, who has too much money allocated his way. And behind this line, I expect the running game will look like last year.

Maybe Im being too hard on them, but I think it's just reality with this team. They always kick the can down the road, and are always playing catch up with their roster. As a life-long fan, it's frustrating.
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Yeah, I just don't see how you can watch Dak slump when his protection is wobbly and not put all the effort you can into making sure T is locked down
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There's no doubt they have mismanged some things, but the point I'm trying to make is that all teams struggle with some position groups at some point and time. The Cowboys gambled on Tyron and it bit them in the butt. It's a fair criticism, but again, there are metrics you can search as it relates to draft picks and Rookie FA development and Dallas is one of the better teams in the league at this.
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On the whole, I think Dallas has been better than average at drafting and development. I think their mismanagement has been more of who they extend and who they don't. Although I don't think they have been remotely serious enough about OT. This Tyron writing was on the wall so long ago
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DannyDuberstein said:

On the whole, I think Dallas has been better than average at drafting and development. I think their mismanagement has been more of who they extend and who they don't. And I don't think they have been remotely serious enough about OT

Agree completely.

It seems what when they leave things to Will McClay and his team, they are good. When Jerry and Stephen step in, that's when things get out of whack.
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I agree with a lot of that. And I wholeheartedly recognize that all teams will be thin at some positions.

My main point is that we are not good at roster/cap management. It bites us every year.
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Yeah, they are paying Dak $10-15 mill more than needed because they misread the QB market and waited too long. They messed up with Zeke and Jaylon Smith the other way. Combined these mistakes cost them about $35-40 mill in cap space this year. Zeke is hitting them for $18, Jaylon another $7, and Dak was at least a $10 mill mistake in waiting. You can keep Amari and fix some OL problems with that for sure
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Or at least don't screw up the Amari trade by selling him for peanuts when other teams got great value for veteran WRs later in the offseason
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If it were me, I would be treating this as a career ending injury for Tyron. Whatever move you're gonna make, make it with your long term goals in mind.

If you really feel Tyler is still your future LT a couple years down the road, OK then, bring in an Eric Fischer type that can hold down the role temporarily.

If you think Tyler might be a future pro bowl guard and you want to leave him there, then maybe you consider a big deal with NE for Wynn. It's probably gonna cost you a 1st rounder and then some, but if he's good enough to be a decent franchise LT then do it.

They are also still gonna need to get a swing tackle. I'm guessing they wait until after week 1 to bring in a vet so they don't have to guarantee the contract all year.
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They are also still gonna need to get a swing tackle. I'm guessing they wait until after week 1 to bring in a vet so they don't have to guarantee the contract all year.
This would be great, if we can get a good option at that point. But they might not have the luxury to wait that long.

Guess we'll see. By hook or crook, they need someone.
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Tyler Smith seems tailor made for the guard position. I don't think him at LT is going to work out.

The Eagles have a very good d-line. I'm cringing imagining what the pass protection for Dak is going to look like this year. We're replacing 2 o-lineman, one of them with a rookie at the most important position on the line? That's not a recipe for success at all
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AgGrad99 said:

I dont expect it at every position....but I disagree that the Cowboys are good at it. If anything, they've improved to adequate in recent years. But being thin at a position seemingly bites us in the butt over and over again.

It's more than just the draft though. You have to also manage your roster/Cap well, in order to avoid being critically thin in spots. We knew we needed help on the OL.

If LVE is healthy again, we have quality depth at LB. And we have depth at DL.

Where else? WR? QB? OL? DB? None of those. Maybe RB, but we're going to (over)-use Zeke again, who has too much money allocated his way. And behind this line, I expect the running game will look like last year.

Maybe Im being too hard on them, but I think it's just reality with this team. They always kick the can down the road, and are always playing catch up with their roster. As a life-long fan, it's frustrating.


Mostly agree. I think for DBs we're set…but backup QB, Oline and WR we might be in trouble
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jtstanley4621 said:

Tyler Smith seems tailor made for the guard position. I don't think him at LT is going to work out.


Curious why you think this?
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gigem1223 said:

jtstanley4621 said:

Tyler Smith seems tailor made for the guard position. I don't think him at LT is going to work out.


Curious why you think this?

His biggest strength by far IMO is run blocking and his power. Those traits are best utilized at the guard position. He played LT in college but I envision him as a dude just killing guys pulling off the ball.
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jtstanley4621 said:

gigem1223 said:

jtstanley4621 said:

Tyler Smith seems tailor made for the guard position. I don't think him at LT is going to work out.


Curious why you think this?

His biggest strength by far IMO is run blocking and his power. Those traits are best utilized at the guard position. He played LT in college but I envision him as a dude just killing guys pulling off the ball.


Yea I don't know if he's ready yet to play LT but the same traits were also said about Larry Allen (and no I'm not saying he's going to be Larry Allen).
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Cowboys are $20m under the cap right now. They have the resources to make a move.

Yeah its easy to criticize since they were counting on a couple of young guys to step up and be viable options. The niners have a rookie 5th round pick starting at guard. Teams do this routinely. They didn't foresee Wolesko getting hurt and Ball sucking so hard. This roster building **** ain't easy.
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Just food for thought. Dak's last 17 games without Tyron Smith.

Record: 12-5
Yards: 4822
TD/ INT: 32/9
Passer rating: 104.3
Sacks: 41
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Andrew Whitworth said last night that the Cowboys have already reached out. Seems like a long shot to get him to come back, but I wouldn't hate it if Jerry could somehow convince him to un-retire for one more season.
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Any news on Fisher?
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Yeah, the good news is there are a couple of options out there.
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Reggiesankles said:

Any news on Fisher?


Broadus said he's reached out to most of his contacts within nfl organizations and most believe his career is done.
 
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