*****Dallas Cowboys 2022 Offseason Thread*****

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In reply to Ag Natural • 3:48p, 3/28/22
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He has also been to a second Super Bowl. Trying to stand on the Sean McVay is a bad coach corner is a losing argument.
i dont think he's saying mcvay is a terrible coach, just that he didnt have a good season. and yet despite not bringing his A game this season, still won the super bowl.
That's exactly right. Fans are often evaluating coaches based on using timeouts or when to go for it on 4th down or when to throw a challenge flag. But 98% of coaching happens in between games prepping your team and building a culture. McVay built a great culture and he had the benefit of a bunch of star players. He's not out scheming people out there. In fact, his offense has been shut down plenty of times.

McCarthy is good enough at the big picture to get this team to the promised land. It will take some of key players really developing and taking another step to do that.
I'm aware that preparation is enormous, but I'm pointing to the overall game plan.

You do realize that we only beat bad teams right? Thus far the McCarthy era has consisted of the worst Cowboys team since pre Romo, and a team whose early hype was based on losing to Tampa.

Mike McCarthy isn't taking us to the promised land. I doubt very seriously that he takes us to a conference championship.
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In reply to dc509 • 4:36p, 3/28/22
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I don't fully disagree with what you are saying, but it's also not fair to say we only beat bad teams.

The Packers played in a worse division than we did and went 4-2 in those games. No, we did not play in a strong division, but we won those games and in most of them won in glorious blowout fashion.

This team earned 12 wins and it's not fair at all to discount that. We are more than capable with these players and coaches to do much bigger things than we did last year, it's up to them to put it all together.

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In reply to dc509 • 6:57p, 3/28/22
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dc509 said:
Ag Natural said:
HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:
dc509 said:
He has also been to a second Super Bowl. Trying to stand on the Sean McVay is a bad coach corner is a losing argument.
i dont think he's saying mcvay is a terrible coach, just that he didnt have a good season. and yet despite not bringing his A game this season, still won the super bowl.
That's exactly right. Fans are often evaluating coaches based on using timeouts or when to go for it on 4th down or when to throw a challenge flag. But 98% of coaching happens in between games prepping your team and building a culture. McVay built a great culture and he had the benefit of a bunch of star players. He's not out scheming people out there. In fact, his offense has been shut down plenty of times.

McCarthy is good enough at the big picture to get this team to the promised land. It will take some of key players really developing and taking another step to do that.
I'm aware that preparation is enormous, but I'm pointing to the overall game plan.

You do realize that we only beat bad teams right? Thus far the McCarthy era has consisted of the worst Cowboys team since pre Romo, and a team whose early hype was based on losing to Tampa.

Mike McCarthy isn't taking us to the promised land. I doubt very seriously that he takes us to a conference championship.


This definitive way of evaluating the situation is just flawed. The only way to prove it wrong is to do it. Im just saying its not only our historys greatest coaches who have won suoerbowls. See Barry Switzer. Hell, Mccarthy himself won one that nobody gives him credit for.

Players win. Reid didn't win one until he got Mohamed, Kelce and Hill. McVay didn't win until he had both the offensive and defensive player of the year on his team. Belichik looks average before and after Brady. Im not saying coaching doesn't matter. Im saying that the margin for error with most of these teams is between the lines.

I think the Cowboys took a step last year from the talent perspective. I think they can keep getting better and they aren't going to decide to underachieve because critics don't think Mccarthy understands analytics.
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9:09p, 3/28/22
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The more Stephen Jones gives quotes publicly, the less confident I feel about our future when Jerry retires. Its just going to be more of the same
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In reply to Ag Natural • 10:14a, 3/29/22
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dc509 said:
Ag Natural said:
HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:
dc509 said:
He has also been to a second Super Bowl. Trying to stand on the Sean McVay is a bad coach corner is a losing argument.
i dont think he's saying mcvay is a terrible coach, just that he didnt have a good season. and yet despite not bringing his A game this season, still won the super bowl.
That's exactly right. Fans are often evaluating coaches based on using timeouts or when to go for it on 4th down or when to throw a challenge flag. But 98% of coaching happens in between games prepping your team and building a culture. McVay built a great culture and he had the benefit of a bunch of star players. He's not out scheming people out there. In fact, his offense has been shut down plenty of times.

McCarthy is good enough at the big picture to get this team to the promised land. It will take some of key players really developing and taking another step to do that.
I'm aware that preparation is enormous, but I'm pointing to the overall game plan.

You do realize that we only beat bad teams right? Thus far the McCarthy era has consisted of the worst Cowboys team since pre Romo, and a team whose early hype was based on losing to Tampa.

Mike McCarthy isn't taking us to the promised land. I doubt very seriously that he takes us to a conference championship.


This definitive way of evaluating the situation is just flawed. The only way to prove it wrong is to do it. Im just saying its not only our historys greatest coaches who have won suoerbowls. See Barry Switzer. Hell, Mccarthy himself won one that nobody gives him credit for.

Players win. Reid didn't win one until he got Mohamed, Kelce and Hill. McVay didn't win until he had both the offensive and defensive player of the year on his team. Belichik looks average before and after Brady. Im not saying coaching doesn't matter. Im saying that the margin for error with most of these teams is between the lines.

I think the Cowboys took a step last year from the talent perspective. I think they can keep getting better and they aren't going to decide to underachieve because critics don't think Mccarthy understands analytics.
My definitive way of evaluating the situation is based on wins and losses.

I suppose we'll see. Switzer isn't a fair comparison to Andy Reid or Sean McVay. Reid had success with Philadelphia, and got them to a Super Bowl. McVay took Jared Goff to a Super Bowl, and is widely considered one of the best offensive minds in football. I'm not going to touch any comparison of Bill Belichick and Barry Switzer. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think McCarthy gets us there.
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In reply to jr15aggie • 10:19a, 3/29/22
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I don't fully disagree with what you are saying, but it's also not fair to say we only beat bad teams.

The Packers played in a worse division than we did and went 4-2 in those games. No, we did not play in a strong division, but we won those games and in most of them won in glorious blowout fashion.

This team earned 12 wins and it's not fair at all to discount that. We are more than capable with these players and coaches to do much bigger things than we did last year, it's up to them to put it all together.

Why isn't it fair? Our big early win was against Carolina who turned out to be awful. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the wins. Hell I was at the Atlanta game, and it was great. Blowing out Washington is fun and all, but they were 7-10.

Are we capable of bigger things? Maybe, but we definitely haven't achieved big things is a very long time.
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12:03p, 3/29/22
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Jerry's Draft Plan

Not that this is anything ground-breaking. I get the concerns everyone has with this off-season. But a part of me is cautiously optimistic. We have a team that drafts pretty well. And in the past, a move like re-signing Gregory for a little over-market value would have been an exact Cowboys' front office move. Maybe the fact we did something different this off-season will lead to different results come 2023 playoff time.

Then again. Maybe I'm just a desperate homer looking for reasons to build myself up.
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In reply to dc509 • 1:20p, 3/29/22
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Well McCarthy has a career winning % over .600 in 15 years as a head coach. He's a career 10-9 in the playoffs. That stacks up pretty well against the field.
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In reply to Ag Natural • 1:23p, 3/29/22
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Well McCarthy has a career winning % over .600 in 15 years as a head coach. He's a career 10-9 in the playoffs. That stacks up pretty well against the field.
Well, time will prove one of us definitively right and the other definitively wrong.
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9:28a, 3/30/22
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9:04a, 4/1/22
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Rod really did more harm than good in Dallas as far as I'm concerned. They let his rep from 10 years prior carry too much weight.

They constantly believed him when he said "I don't need that guy, we can play with the guys we have"..... they couldn't!

And when he did go to bat for a guy, that guy ended up not being worth the price we paid to get him.



PS: I'll also say I didn't have a problem with the Zeke pick at the time. He was a STUD in college and he was a STUD in Dallas for 3 years. Best in the NFL at his position. It's just unfortunate how fast the tread came off those tires!
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In reply to jr15aggie • 9:08a, 4/1/22
Yeah, I mean I still believe RB is not something you do that early, but Zeke was worth it those first few years. I know I'm being Captain Obvious, but they just made the fatal error of giving him that second contract.
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9:38a, 4/1/22
This popped up in my Youtube timeline and I had to post.

Roger will always be the goat but TD was my fav player from that era as it was around the time I gained sports consciousness. He was so great. It makes me a bit sad because he apparently is battling CTE these days.


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In reply to jr15aggie • 1:14p, 4/1/22
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Yeah, Marinelli had a skill for making spare d-lineman reasonably reliable players, which was useful in the moment. But they never should have let him anywhere near a draft meeting or the draft room.

And I still think Ramsey was the guy. Even if you take the bad extension out of the equation, I just don't think you use top 5 picks on guys who you basically expect to just play out their rookie deal. That's the RB position of the past 10-15 years. That's a draft position that you rarely want to find yourself in, but when you are there, you've gotta make a longer term impact with it. Good running backs with very little dropoff can be found a round later
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1:20p, 4/1/22
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Ie see Derrick Henry. Pick 45 of the same draft
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7:51p, 4/1/22
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You aren't wrong and recent history has only reinforced that.

Was Barkley worth a top pick for the G-Men? Hell yeah he was!

Is RB still a brutal position and to expect longevity out of anybody not named Emmitt a pipe dream? He'll yeah it is!
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7:53p, 4/1/22
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Barkley wasn't worth that pick. The Giants spent it on him anyway and it's a big reason they suck balls. One team in the state of NY knew what it was doing that round
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11:13p, 4/1/22
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Compared to other recent high RB picks Zeke has at least been available. Gurley, Barkley, McCaffrey all hurt constantly. Henry ended up being a great pick but its weird to me that he did nothing his first 2-3 years.
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In reply to dc509 • 9:25a, 4/2/22
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dc509 said:
Ag Natural said:
Well McCarthy has a career winning % over .600 in 15 years as a head coach. He's a career 10-9 in the playoffs. That stacks up pretty well against the field.
Well, time will prove one of us definitively right and the other definitively wrong.


You aren't going out on a limb here by saying he won't win a super bowl in the next year or two. Look over the last 20 years. The odds of any one team winning a super bowl are minuscule, so he probably won't. And if we don't win one with McCarthy, that isn't some feather in your cap showing that you were right and that he's not a good coach.
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10:42a, 4/2/22
Bobby Wagner to the Rams last week.

It's one thing for the cowboys to be somewhat idle in the off season but it sucks when very good teams only get better. Wagner playing behind Donaldson? Wow.
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In reply to mavsfan4ever • 11:54a, 4/2/22
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dc509 said:
Ag Natural said:
Well McCarthy has a career winning % over .600 in 15 years as a head coach. He's a career 10-9 in the playoffs. That stacks up pretty well against the field.
Well, time will prove one of us definitively right and the other definitively wrong.


You aren't going out on a limb here by saying he won't win a super bowl in the next year or two. Look over the last 20 years. The odds of any one team winning a super bowl are minuscule, so he probably won't. And if we don't win one with McCarthy, that isn't some feather in your cap showing that you were right and that he's not a good coach.


I think he's a scrub, and we will continue to be heavily penalized and look disorganized in big moments. I doubt he ever gets us passed the divisional round.

Our defense led the league in turnovers, and that is not a sustainable stat from year to year. When that regresses to the mean then what? All of those turnovers masked what was a fairly mediocre defense.

How's that?
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10:29a, 4/13/22
Once again for the folks that couldn't wrap their head around Dak getting $40m annually.

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11:55a, 4/13/22
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Yep. I've been wrong about the value of some of our other players in the past, but QBs are pretty simple. If you have a franchise quality QB, you pay him. Period. And if you don't, somebody else will.

Dak was 100% right to not give a friendly discount. This time next year he will not even be in the top 5 highest paid QBs... heck, he may already be outside the top 5. When guys like Mr. Happy Ending are getting mega deals, I perfectly happy with Dak.
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In reply to jr15aggie • 1:04p, 4/13/22
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Yep. I've been wrong about the value of some of our other players in the past, but QBs are pretty simple. If you have a franchise quality QB, you pay him. Period. And if you don't, somebody else will.

Dak was 100% right to not give a friendly discount. This time next year he will not even be in the top 5 highest paid QBs... heck, he may already be outside the top 5. When guys like Mr. Happy Ending are getting mega deals, I perfectly happy with Dak.
Absolutely
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5:24p, 4/13/22
Players win. Players have always been the most important thing.

Good coaches choose and motivate those players and increase their opportunities to win.

Good analytics squeeze out another percentage point or two that can often time be the difference between being a winner and loser.

Using a timeout at the right time or going for 2 at the right time may not seem like it makes that big a difference in the grand scheme of things, but over the course of a game it might net you an extra 1 or 2 plays.

If you run 1 or 2 extra plays a game, your chances for success go up significantly.

Sure, if your players sucks or your scheme sucks then it probably won't change things.

But give the 2021 Dallas Cowboys one more offensive play and the entire playoffs potentially change.
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8:27p, 4/14/22
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Soooooo Kelvin Joseph is a suspect in a murder??? Wow.
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9:57p, 4/14/22
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Pics in the comments
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In reply to duck79 • 10:18p, 4/14/22
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Soooooo Kelvin Joseph is a suspect in a murder??? Wow.
Well…CB just became a draft need.
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12:08a, 4/15/22
At least he kept it real
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7:55a, 4/15/22
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Totally normal reaction
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9:13a, 4/15/22
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I love it when it's the Cowboys off-season and there is absolutely nothing going on... then you see new posts on the thread so you dive in..... yep, it's definitely terrible news!

If this turns out to have legs then the Cowboys have a really good track record drafting guys in Rounds 1, 3, 4 in recent years..... and absolutely atrocious drafting in the 2nd round.!
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11:48a, 4/15/22
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Sure looks like him in the surveillance cams. Face + the gold chain with his nick name on it.

What a moron.
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In reply to jr15aggie • 12:27p, 4/15/22
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Diggs is pretty good.

But yeah we tend to take guys who were 1st round talents who slipped due to injury or character questions.
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1:14p, 4/15/22
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Completely forgot about Diggs. /facepalm
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1:18p, 4/15/22
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LOL at deleting it. When it's on the internets once, it's on the internets forevah
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