Panama Red said:

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It was not really the same situation. Cooper had to be dealt so his money would not become guaranteed. It was obvious he would be cut if not traded. The Chiefs were not going to cut Hill.

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Not to mention Hill is a much better player.

FTAG 2000 said:

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Imagine if the Cowboys would have waited two weeks what they could have gotten for Amari.

What a bargain for the Browns, and Stephen gets fleeced again.

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Broaddus said on twitter that there's concern around the league that Cooper isn't healthy and doesn't 'love' football.

That's a bad label to carry around.

dc509 said:

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I hope that I'm wrong, but I have a bad feeling that we aren't going to be all that good.

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This team was rolling early last year... and then the league figured out we couldn't run block worth s*. They dropped 7 into coverage and dared us to run (which we couldn't do). And that was the end of that season.

If we can improve the o-line we are going to be just fine. Will need to really hit on some draft picks if we are gonna be contenders, but if coached correctly this team can be really good again. Could go either way.

I have been very critical of the FO and I think they've earned it.

Having said that, they did win 12 games last year, and had a good shot to win their playoff game. They also will have an awful division again next year.

I actually do not think the loss of Collins will be that bad...I think his game showed decline and unless he makes big strides this offseason in his conditioning, he's going to continue to decline, IMO.

I would rather have had Cooper so it's hard to know how the passing game will look, but I do think we add something in the draft so I think there's a chance it is fine.

I think the OL will be better as a unit because I think they will add in the draft and I think they will add at least one more veteran to the group. This assumes relative health for Tyron.

Defensively, I don't think the loss of Gregory will be devastating (even though I am critical of how the FO went about that). I think they will add to the LBers through the draft and I think the secondary will be better with a 2nd year Joseph. The safety position will be the strongest that it's been in a long time.

So overall, I think it's possible that the roster, on paper, is not quite as good, but I'm not sure it will be worse enough to be that big of an issue, esp since we don't know what will be added moving forward.

Malik Hooker got better and better last year. Joseph did too. Our secondary should be as good as it's been in a long time and we have quality depth as well.

This defense could be better even without Gregory.

Its pretty impossible to say what this will look like after the summer. I like that we've shed a lot of average or underperforming players. I like that we've filled depth with cheap one year deals. Honestly the only real questions are about Cooper and Oline. With Cooper, his home road splits were crazy. Dak seemed to click with but only at home. So will this be productive with Lamb, Gallup, Brown, Washington and some rookie? The talent is there.

With oline I'm definitely afraid of relying on the draft but I'm really glad they let Collins and Williams go.

I think its being overlooked that Cox will be back and we got LVE at $3m for one year. Those guys plus Gifford can start in a pinch. We have 2 all pros defenders returning in their 3rd and 2nd years. Our leading tackler resigned on a team friendly deal. This isn't as bad as some would have you believe.

Well said.

And Cox looked really impressive as a rookie before the injury.

Fake Stephen got the Honey Badgers attention

Funniest shit ever. Lol

— Tyrann Mathieu (@Mathieu_Era) March 23, 2022

Well I've always said, there's no salary cap for coaches. Obviously you can't have too many indian chiefs in the room, but if there is a coach out there that can help us win, get him!

BryanAggie2013 said:

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Sources: The Cowboys are hiring Brian Schottenheimer, the Jaguars’ pass-game coordinator last year, into a unique role, where he’ll help both coordinators, Dan Quinn and Kellen Moore.

Much of Schottenheimer’s job will center on league trends and game-planning. Pretty cool idea.

— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) March 24, 2022

Interesting hire. Seems like a new/innovative role. Can't say I dislike it.

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I actually like this. Kellen proved he was in over his head last year, hopefully this guy can help get the offense going.

Macarthur said:

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I have been very critical of the FO and I think they've earned it.

Having said that, they did win 12 games last year, and had a good shot to win their playoff game. They also will have an awful division again next year.

I actually do not think the loss of Collins will be that bad...I think his game showed decline and unless he makes big strides this offseason in his conditioning, he's going to continue to decline, IMO.

I would rather have had Cooper so it's hard to know how the passing game will look, but I do think we add something in the draft so I think there's a chance it is fine.

I think the OL will be better as a unit because I think they will add in the draft and I think they will add at least one more veteran to the group. This assumes relative health for Tyron.

Defensively, I don't think the loss of Gregory will be devastating (even though I am critical of how the FO went about that). I think they will add to the LBers through the draft and I think the secondary will be better with a 2nd year Joseph. The safety position will be the strongest that it's been in a long time.

So overall, I think it's possible that the roster, on paper, is not quite as good, but I'm not sure it will be worse enough to be that big of an issue, esp since we don't know what will be added moving forward.

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My biggest gripe with the Cowboys is, and has been, the coaching staff. I actually think the front office does a good job of putting a roster together. I'm not upset that the didn't do something like overpay Bobby Wagner or even Von, and I agree that I think we will be fine without Randy Gregory, Collins, or Cooper. We have talent, and they will find more.

Look, I hated, HATED, the McCarthy hire and every problem I had with it seems to have been accurate. We run an offense that causes our playmakers like Ceedee to get lost for quarters at a time. I think he's a stud so I have a hard time putting it on him. When Moore faces an good DC with experience he simply gets out coached.

We didn't lose the playoff game against San Francisco because of that stupid quarterback draw, but that play call sums up my entire problem with our offense in one play. Now we've hired Kellen a mentor. Wonderful.

I hope that I'm wrong, but I think our ceiling for next season is basically what we were this year. A team that beats crappy teams, but quite win the big ones. I'm sure by September I'll talk myself into them being a contender, but I'm prepared to be letdown.

I didn't hate the McCarthy hire but I can't disagree with what you've posted.

I get it. I just don't think coaching performance is black and white by any means. McCarthy has a good enough record to tell me that he can win with the right group of players. I think our oline got exposed last year and it just took a few games for defenses to figure out where the weakness was. Moore was the next star coach when we were running the ball and Dak was burning the blitz. Yeah, you could say that great coach would adapt to their weaknesses. But it doesn't really happen much. McVay teams have been stymied plenty of times and he's the boy wonder. Hell, even the Chiefs have looked awful at times when defenses don't let them get big plays. It happens to everyone.

Just solidify the line and keep improving on defense and this team can be something.

Denver gave everyone the game plan. Zone, don't blitz. Kellen and Dak couldn't adjust.

DannyDuberstein said:

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McCarthy has tried to embrace analytics, but he's a gorilla with a slide rule. This seems like a good move to refine it

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I certainly hope so. I beat the drum all year about his decisions. It's like he swung completely the other direction and strictly does whatever the percentage says to do. He has no feel for the moment. That 4th down call during the opening series in NE deep in their own territory was mind blowing.

Right. He knows analytics say to go on 4th down more often. But it's not that simple and he's clearly relying on feel to decide when to apply this logic. Actual advanced analytics would consider his O's effectiveness at certain distances and field position (along with score and time remaining), along with the opposing D's. You get someone with that information on his headset with a go-no go recommendation, then you're getting somewhere

Yeah, I guess we'll have to wait until the smoke settles after the draft but it does seem like other teams are making moves while the cowboys are mired in a mediocre off season.

Also, Dak's health is a very major concern.

Ag Natural said:

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I get it. I just don't think coaching performance is black and white by any means. McCarthy has a good enough record to tell me that he can win with the right group of players. I think our oline got exposed last year and it just took a few games for defenses to figure out where the weakness was. Moore was the next star coach when we were running the ball and Dak was burning the blitz. Yeah, you could say that great coach would adapt to their weaknesses. But it doesn't really happen much. McVay teams have been stymied plenty of times and he's the boy wonder. Hell, even the Chiefs have looked awful at times when defenses don't let them get big plays. It happens to everyone.

Just solidify the line and keep improving on defense and this team can be something.

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We couldn't even think about moving the ball on good teams. Adjustments might not happen much, but the teams that can are contenders. We're not a contender, and until we move on from this group I doubt we will become one. I'm a big Dak fan, but our offense does him no favors.

You can't compare the Chiefs and Rams coaches to the Cowboys. Yes those staffs have "looked awful at times" and been "stymied," but they've both also managed to win the Super Bowl and play in more than one under their current coaching staffs. We haven't made it past the divisional round since 1995. Clearly those coaches have figured something out.

I think it all comes down to the OL. You could draw a direct connection to our offense's declining production with the struggles the OL was having, esp running the football. I think fixing the OL will go a long way to getting things back to what they looked like early in the season.

Also, w/ Dak's health, there is no doubt the injury had an impact. But I think the calf is something that will be fine now that he's had plenty of time for it to heal. Those are really tough injuries to come back from during the season.

2021 Dak Prescott pre-injury

- 73.1% Cmp

- 302 Pass yds/gm

- 115.0 Pass Rtg

- 16/4 Pass TD/INT

- 8 Pass TD of 20+ yards (lead NFL)

- 1st in MVP Odds

Dak was clearly not the same post injury, his accuracy was a big issue after the NE game.

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dc509 said:

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Ag Natural said:

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I get it. I just don't think coaching performance is black and white by any means. McCarthy has a good enough record to tell me that he can win with the right group of players. I think our oline got exposed last year and it just took a few games for defenses to figure out where the weakness was. Moore was the next star coach when we were running the ball and Dak was burning the blitz. Yeah, you could say that great coach would adapt to their weaknesses. But it doesn't really happen much. McVay teams have been stymied plenty of times and he's the boy wonder. Hell, even the Chiefs have looked awful at times when defenses don't let them get big plays. It happens to everyone.

Just solidify the line and keep improving on defense and this team can be something.

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We couldn't even think about moving the ball on good teams. Adjustments might not happen much, but the teams that can are contenders. We're not a contender, and until we move on from this group I doubt we will become one. I'm a big Dak fan, but our offense does him no favors.

You can't compare the Chiefs and Rams coaches to the Cowboys. Yes those staffs have "looked awful at times" and been "stymied," but they've both also managed to win the Super Bowl and play in more than one under their current coaching staffs. We haven't made it past the divisional round since 1995. Clearly those coaches have figured something out.

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I disagree. Last year in particular makes me believe coaching grades are way overrated. Players win games. McVay was terrible last season and won the super bowl. Why? Well his FO went out and got him Stafford, OBJ and Miller to go along with Kupp, Donald and Ramsey. No Cowboy team in the last 20 years has had that kind of talent especially on the defensive side of the ball.

We just need more guys to emerge. McCarthy isn't holding anyone back. The offensive struggles stem from not being able to do fundamental things like block. If we upgrade in that area everything else falls into place.

DannyDuberstein said:

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Dak sees ghosts. That's very concerning. His downfall this year was some inaccuracy, but a bigger issue was rushing through reads. That's partly why Cooper fell off. Too many plays where Dak isn't letting things develop.

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I disagree only from the standpoint that QBs get old, they don't forget how to play. Dak was an NFL QB phenom his very first pre-season game. The guy can play and has shown that over multiple years.

If Dak looks like crap again next year the offensive staff (and probably McCarthy) need to go. Our wagon is securely hitched to #4 for the next 3-4 years.... coaches and scouts need to put players on the field and make it work!

It's not about forgetting. It's about losing confidence in the pocket and rushing through things even when not actually under pressue. Even boy wonder OC commented on it. Yes, he's very capable when settled and they need him to find that happy place again

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dc509 said:

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Ag Natural said:

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I get it. I just don't think coaching performance is black and white by any means. McCarthy has a good enough record to tell me that he can win with the right group of players. I think our oline got exposed last year and it just took a few games for defenses to figure out where the weakness was. Moore was the next star coach when we were running the ball and Dak was burning the blitz. Yeah, you could say that great coach would adapt to their weaknesses. But it doesn't really happen much. McVay teams have been stymied plenty of times and he's the boy wonder. Hell, even the Chiefs have looked awful at times when defenses don't let them get big plays. It happens to everyone.

Just solidify the line and keep improving on defense and this team can be something.

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We couldn't even think about moving the ball on good teams. Adjustments might not happen much, but the teams that can are contenders. We're not a contender, and until we move on from this group I doubt we will become one. I'm a big Dak fan, but our offense does him no favors.

You can't compare the Chiefs and Rams coaches to the Cowboys. Yes those staffs have "looked awful at times" and been "stymied," but they've both also managed to win the Super Bowl and play in more than one under their current coaching staffs. We haven't made it past the divisional round since 1995. Clearly those coaches have figured something out.

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I disagree. Last year in particular makes me believe coaching grades are way overrated. Players win games. McVay was terrible last season and won the super bowl. Why? Well his FO went out and got him Stafford, OBJ and Miller to go along with Kupp, Donald and Ramsey. No Cowboy team in the last 20 years has had that kind of talent especially on the defensive side of the ball.

We just need more guys to emerge. McCarthy isn't holding anyone back. The offensive struggles stem from not being able to do fundamental things like block. If we upgrade in that area everything else falls into place.

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That terrible coach just won the Super Bowl, and made another one with Jared Goff as their quarterback. Our line last season didn't help, but our passing game allows one safety to cover three receivers. Our scheme is awful. Either that or guys like Lamb suck. Lamb's last touchdown was was November 14th against Atlanta, and his last 100+ yard game as October 31st against Minnesota.

McCarthy holds back the entire team. The coach you called terrible is 7-3 in the playoffs since 2017. From 1996 until today we're 4-11.

McVay was bad in last years playoffs. He was bailed out by his stars. Thats no shame though. Barry Switzer won a super bowl too.

I get what they are saying because he did make some dumbass decisions in this year's playoffs that luckily didn't burn them. But 2 SB's and one ring speaks for itself on the overall evaluation

dc509 said:

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He has also been to a second Super Bowl. Trying to stand on the Sean McVay is a bad coach corner is a losing argument.

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i dont think he's saying mcvay is a terrible coach, just that he didnt have a good season. and yet despite not bringing his A game this season, still won the super bowl.

HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

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dc509 said:

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He has also been to a second Super Bowl. Trying to stand on the Sean McVay is a bad coach corner is a losing argument.

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i dont think he's saying mcvay is a terrible coach, just that he didnt have a good season. and yet despite not bringing his A game this season, still won the super bowl.

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That's exactly right. Fans are often evaluating coaches based on using timeouts or when to go for it on 4th down or when to throw a challenge flag. But 98% of coaching happens in between games prepping your team and building a culture. McVay built a great culture and he had the benefit of a bunch of star players. He's not out scheming people out there. In fact, his offense has been shut down plenty of times.

McCarthy is good enough at the big picture to get this team to the promised land. It will take some of key players really developing and taking another step to do that.

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— William (@Texas_William) March 28, 2022

Hey Orlando, saw your comment about your wife in the entertainment forum... glad to hear that she is a "former" cancer patient. So sorry you guys had to go through all of that. I've "known" you through the Cowboys threads for at least 10 years now, hope things are well!