Agristotle said:

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With no hostility intended, it's amazing to me that people are willing to believe Randy Gregory over the Cowboys! I am a looooongtime Cowboy fan and certainly understand the complaints, but you find Randy Gregory more credible!!!! Randy-multiple-suspensions-and-rehab-because-I-can't-stay-off-the-weed Gregory. HE's more credible to you than the Multi-Billionaire Hall of Famer!?! Wow.

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Yes, in this case, based on the info we have now, I lend more credence to the Gregory camp than I do the Cowboys. I'm not JJ 'hater' but this how much money JJ has has zero meaning in this, I frankly think it's kinda weird that you would think he's anymore trustworthy simply because he has money. The stuff that's come out recently about JJ pretty much shows he's a complete POS. Wow, is right. You think Jerry would be getting in right now with the bombshells that have come out, and there are whispers out there that this isn't the last type of this info that could leak out.

And the Cowboys themsleves have been promoting how great of a success story Gregory is based on how he has turned his life around. And let's be clear, Gregory was using pot to help manage his mental health issues. The fact that you think what he has done is some sort of huge disqualifier while at the same time defending Jones and the NFL that would rather have these guys hooked on pain pills for the rest of their life than smoke a joint, causes me to say wow right back at you.

Carlo4 said:

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Agristotle said:

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With no hostility intended, it's amazing to me that people are willing to believe Randy Gregory over the Cowboys! I am a looooongtime Cowboy fan and certainly understand the complaints, but you find Randy Gregory more credible!!!! Randy-multiple-suspensions-and-rehab-because-I-can't-stay-off-the-weed Gregory. HE's more credible to you than the Multi-Billionaire Hall of Famer!?! Wow.

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Covered up an exec spying on cheerleaders. They aren't credible either.

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Bingo. huge blind spot here.

LOL. As if this thread is some sort of Jerry fan club. Give me a break with that blind spot crap

Well, I've been told that because JJ is a billionaire and a HOFer, then his character is better than a guy that smoked pot to help deal with mental illness. You can phrase it how ever you want, but that's nuts.

It's nuts to believe a guy with mental illness (your words, not mine) just changed his mind and his agent ran cover? LOL. Maybe Gregory can send you a baggie

BTW, this agreement is $2-3 mill per year more than where Gregory's value was projected. This isn't freak-out-about-Jerry worthy. Not with DLaw and Parsons ability to get after QBs

DannyDuberstein said:

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It's nuts to believe a guy with mental illness (your words, not mine) just changed his mind and his agent ran cover? LOL. Maybe Gregory can send you a baggie

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Yeah, LOL. so funny.


So you think a guy just decided to change his mind? The contract is for the same money and he will actually come out worse due to taxes. He's going to have to move. Completely uproot his entire support system. And do all this for less $.

The terms have been reported to be the same. So surely his agent won't mind telling us what changed. This all happened at interesting kneejerk speed

Listen to David Moore's report on the Ticket about 45 minutes ago.

Doesn't sound like it was anything other than boilerplate contractual language regarding suspensions and what that does to the guaranteed portion of salary.

Edit: Boilerplate language that most teams have, Denver does not.

It should be noted that weed is no longer a problem as per the NFL. Randy can go ahead and smoke it. What he still can't do is tackle offensive linemen for no reason.

dave94 said:

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Listen to David Moore's report on the Ticket about 45 minutes ago.

Doesn't sound like it was anything other than boilerplate contractual language regarding suspensions and what that does to the guaranteed portion of salary.

Edit: Boilerplate language that most teams have, Denver does not.

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So basically a bs excuse from his agent for changing his mind

DannyDuberstein said:

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dave94 said:

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Listen to David Moore's report on the Ticket about 45 minutes ago.

Doesn't sound like it was anything other than boilerplate contractual language regarding suspensions and what that does to the guaranteed portion of salary.

Edit: Boilerplate language that most teams have, Denver does not.

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So basically a bs excuse from his agent for changing his mind

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Bingo. Huge blind spot here.

we have an honest difference of opinion, I have no desire to get into name calling. Both men are notably flawed, I find Jerry to be more credible than Randy.

As a Cowboy fan, I'm delighted that they didn't commit long term big money to Gregory. If that results in Von coming to Dallas, that would be a grand slam in my book.

Also saw a tweet that says every Cowboy has that in their contract except for one...Dak. And that they have never even invoked that part of a contract in their history. Which I would question if you've never used it, why have it in there. Either way, it sounds like Gregory's agent used that to sound like they're getting screwed and then leaked it to sound like the Cowboys tried to sneak in changes after an agreement had been reached to cover Gregory's change of mind.

EDIT: DannyDuberstein beat me to it.

And while anyone can get weed in Dallas, keep in mind that Denver is somewhere you can embrace the full lifestyle without legal worries. Without worry of how the Frisco police are going to treat you and that bag of weed in your car.

Legit question. Why have that language if it's never going to be used. That seems dumb.

Of course we may never know the real story here but if Gregory bounced over standard drug language and/or a couple million elsewhere he's a ****tier human than I previously thought considering how much the Jones family and Cowboys org did for him. I'm no fan of the Cowboys front office but if they even added such language to his contract who can blame them?

Regardless...he's one helluva unlikeable guy and I hope he has a miserable existence in Denver. POS.

Geeez. Unlikeable? The cowboys were singing his praises 24 hours ago. He's a true success story.

And let's not forget, if he wasn't talented, the cowboys wouldn't have kept him. That goes both ways.

Schaffer? is that you?

Macarthur said:

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Geeez. Unlikeable? The cowboys were singing his praises 24 hours ago. He's a true success story.

And let's not forget, if he wasn't talented, the cowboys wouldn't have kept him. That goes both ways.

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I understand both your points. To me personally he's unlikeable. I have no clue how the Cowboys see him but obviously not likeable or trustworthy enough to not have to add language to his contract for.

Just the way I live my own life, I value loyalty and people who have stood with me in the worst times. I understand its all a business but even in my business I'll drift towards doing business with someone that has done right by me in the past over someone that can pay me more money. Again, just my own personal view.

I find it pretty amazing that a guy that used weed to control mental illness and has been very open about it and his struggles is some sort of unlikeable guy that everyone is so ready to write off as a bad guy, yet so quick to run to the defense of the organization that hasn't exactly had much good press lately. How 'good of a guy' are you to pay millions to have your baby momma silenced and never even meet or attempt to reach out to you actually biological kid? That about as sorry of a POS as you can get…but he's a billionaire HOFer so it's all good.

Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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Macarthur said:

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Geeez. Unlikeable? The cowboys were singing his praises 24 hours ago. He's a true success story.

And let's not forget, if he wasn't talented, the cowboys wouldn't have kept him. That goes both ways.

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I understand both your points. To me personally he's unlikeable. I have no clue how the Cowboys see him but obviously not likeable or trustworthy enough to not have to add language to his contract for.

Just the way I live my own life, I value loyalty and people who have stood with me in the worst times. I understand its all a business but even in my business I'll drift towards doing business with someone that has done right by me in the past over someone that can pay me more money. Again, just my own personal view.

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Jerry has gushed about him so they do NOT view him as unlikeable. And trustworthy is an interesting question. It appears, if they are telling the truth, that they put that language in all contracts so it's not that they don't trust Gregory, per se.

And I get the loyalty thing. I think both sides appeared to want to do this because of all those good reasons, but something went south. And I don't know Gregory or his agent, but I just don't think it's wise, given what we know, to so quickly rush to the defense of the organization when we have far more evidence that they may have f'ed this up rather than Gregory being a 'bad guy'.

Macarthur said:

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I find it pretty amazing that a guy that used weed to control mental illness and has been very open about it and his struggles is some sort of unlikeable guy that everyone is so ready to write off as a bad guy, yet so quick to run to the defense of the organization that hasn't exactly had much good press lately. How 'good of a guy' are you to pay millions to have your baby momma silenced and never even meet or attempt to reach out to you actually biological kid? That about as sorry of a POS as you can get…but he's a billionaire HOFer so it's all good.

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C'mon Mac.

You know me better than this. I'm the last guy on this thread happy with the Cowboys front office or defending that shi**y ass org. Unfortunately, at the same time I'm beholden to my loyalty as a fan so I keep rooting for em. But you know I call them out probably more than anyone else on this site.

No one said he's "all good" because he's a billionaire Hall of Famer. I actually said both men were demonstrably flawed (like all of us), but because of his many successes in life, I find Jerry more credible than a pothead who has failed to keep his promises many times and then turns his back and reneges on the organization that gave him a shot and supported him in his struggles.

What's everyone's thoughts on Armstead? Dude played at an elite level last season and still has some years left. Honestly surprised he's still available.

dave94 said:

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Macarthur said:

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Legit question. Why have that language if it's never going to be used. That seems dumb.

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Because it's smart to have that in your pocket should a player get suspended for something worse than just a failed drug test.

Sounds like good business.

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It's good business to have a clause in that you tell everyone you won't use?

Agristotle said:

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No one said he's "all good" because he's a billionaire Hall of Famer. I actually said both men were demonstrably flawed (like all of us), but because of his many successes in life, I find Jerry more credible than a pothead who has failed to keep his promises many times and then turns his back and reneges on the organization that gave him a shot and supported him in his struggles.

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And I don't find him more credible. The sins of Jerry, based on this new info, are far worse than the one's that we know of w Gregory regardless of Jerry's 'successes'.

and that's why I said "we have an honest difference of opinion."

You hire the Randy Gregorys of the world for your organization. I'll hire the Jerry Jones. Good luck.

Macarthur said:

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Agristotle said:

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No one said he's "all good" because he's a billionaire Hall of Famer. I actually said both men were demonstrably flawed (like all of us), but because of his many successes in life, I find Jerry more credible than a pothead who has failed to keep his promises many times and then turns his back and reneges on the organization that gave him a shot and supported him in his struggles.

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And I don't find him more credible. The sins of Jerry, based on this new info, are far worse than the one's that we know of w Gregory regardless of Jerry's 'successes'.

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Are you implying that if you find Gregory unlikeable you can't find Jerry Jones unlikeable? Is it one or the other? I don't feel like anyone is arguing if Jerry Jones is unlikable. You take a poll right now of this board and 80+% of the posters will say that he's unlikeable.

I think making dumb penalties, not being honest and upfront about his mental illness and how he copes with it, sticking it to the team that helped him through the worst time in his life by reneging on a deal, and him not liking pineapple on his pizza is rational enough reason for someone to say "I find him unlikeable." Hell, only disagreeing with someone's opinion on pizza is a rational enough reason.

Saying someone is unlikable is the most benign statement ever and I'm not sure why you are trying to die on this hill.