Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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I can't remember the last time the Cowboys didn't have salary cap issues. Every year it seems like they have no room within the cap to work with.

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Yup.

All we heard for years was "Stephen Jones is a genius w the cap". He's never done shi* w the cap that means anything. Like father like son both of em suck at winning football operations

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Well we weren't in cap hell this year and managed to sign several impactful FAs.

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They restructured contracts to get under the cap last offseason. This is very much the norm for them.

At the end of the day all that is just fodder within the larger lack of results. 27 years and not even an NFC Championship game appearance. They've defied probability to stake this claim. I agree with the analyst that Texags radio had this morning that said "as long as the Jones family owns this team, they'll underachieve because theres a serious cultural issue in the org when there isn't a coach in place the players truly respect i.e..JJ, Parcells"

Jerry and Stephen Jones would both be fired by any other organization if they went this long without results.

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So you are the 1 listener

Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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Ag Natural said:

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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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I can't remember the last time the Cowboys didn't have salary cap issues. Every year it seems like they have no room within the cap to work with.

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Yup.

All we heard for years was "Stephen Jones is a genius w the cap". He's never done shi* w the cap that means anything. Like father like son both of em suck at winning football operations

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Well we weren't in cap hell this year and managed to sign several impactful FAs.

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They restructured contracts to get under the cap last offseason. This is very much the norm for them.

At the end of the day all that is just fodder within the larger lack of results. 27 years and not even an NFC Championship game appearance. They've defied probability to stake this claim. I agree with the analyst that Texags radio had this morning that said "as long as the Jones family owns this team, they'll underachieve because theres a serious cultural issue in the org when there isn't a coach in place the players truly respect i.e..JJ, Parcells"

Jerry and Stephen Jones would both be fired by any other organization if they went this long without results.

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I just feel bad for "fans" like you. So many so-called experts literally don't pay attention to anything and then at the end of the season go ingenious talking points like
- xx years and no champ game
- As long as Jones is there they won't win.
- The culture blah blah
- Great coaches will never be hired

Its not even worth arguing either because you can only disprove all these genius takes by witnessing the team break through win again. A task that is immeasurably difficult.

So this current iterations won the division, made the playoffs, won 12 games, led the league in scoring, drafted and uncovered some amazing defensive players and fell 25 yards shy of beating a very talented Niners. They managed to get Dak signed, which was the hot topic for the last 4 years ("Jones is f'ing this up again"). They retained McClay, the guy credited with turning the scouting department around. They are NOT in cap hell if you objectively look around the league.

Nope. We can't celebrate anything ever again until the win the SB. Well some of us can't.

I don't think the salary cap matters much.

Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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Ag Natural said:

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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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Ag Natural said:

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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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I can't remember the last time the Cowboys didn't have salary cap issues. Every year it seems like they have no room within the cap to work with.

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Yup.

All we heard for years was "Stephen Jones is a genius w the cap". He's never done shi* w the cap that means anything. Like father like son both of em suck at winning football operations

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Well we weren't in cap hell this year and managed to sign several impactful FAs.

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They restructured contracts to get under the cap last offseason. This is very much the norm for them.

At the end of the day all that is just fodder within the larger lack of results. 27 years and not even an NFC Championship game appearance. They've defied probability to stake this claim. I agree with the analyst that Texags radio had this morning that said "as long as the Jones family owns this team, they'll underachieve because theres a serious cultural issue in the org when there isn't a coach in place the players truly respect i.e..JJ, Parcells"

Jerry and Stephen Jones would both be fired by any other organization if they went this long without results.

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I just feel bad for "fans" like you. So many so-called experts literally don't pay attention to anything and then at the end of the season go ingenious talking points like
- xx years and no champ game
- As long as Jones is there they won't win.
- The culture blah blah
- Great coaches will never be hired

Its not even worth arguing either because you can only disprove all these genius takes by witnessing the team break through win again. A task that is immeasurably difficult.

So this current iterations won the division, made the playoffs, won 12 games, led the league in scoring, drafted and uncovered some amazing defensive players and fell 25 yards shy of beating a very talented Niners. They managed to get Dak signed, which was the hot topic for the last 4 years ("Jones is f'ing this up again"). They retained McClay, the guy credited with turning the scouting department around. They are NOT in cap hell if you objectively look around the league.

Nope. We can't celebrate anything ever again until the win the SB. Well some of us can't.

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Thx for the sympathy. Your post is frankly bizarre and one that has a mind boggling view. The Cowboys beat up on terrible teams within their own division and lost to good ones. While having the best resources of any team in football they havent been able to get to a conference title game since before Monica Lewinsky serviced Bill C in the Oval. These are facts. I don't get the "you have no right to complain " fans. But hey you do you.

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I don't mind complaining. I do plenty myself. I just choose to not buy into this narrative of "as long as Jones is here they will NEVER win". Its also common practice to claim eternal defeat and also to never acknowledge any good moves or good attributes the organization displays.

PSA: When posts are made that use the quote feature and the quotes are really long and 4+ deep... it makes the thread unreadable.

Not that I really care to talk about the Cowboys much right now.

Thoughts on Gregory? I'm pretty sure there is no way in heck they let him go now that he's finally paying off after years of investment. If they can't sign him I'm pretty sure they are gonna tag him.

Tagging him might make the most sense anyway. Don't get locked into a long term deal right now. D-Law only has 2 years left on his deal... let Randy play on the tag and lets see what our DE plan is after next year.

I just know that if we can retain him, our pass rush will be one of the few non ? going into training camp.

offseason will be interesting to say the least. the 2022 season cant start soon enough

I'd expect more than 6 sacks from a tagged DE.

Hometown discount or bye. Maybe DQ can sign him at his next stop.

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Thoughts on Gregory? I'm pretty sure there is no way in heck they let him go now that he's finally paying off after years of investment. If they can't sign him I'm pretty sure they are gonna tag him.

Tagging him might make the most sense anyway. Don't get locked into a long term deal right now. D-Law only has 2 years left on his deal... let Randy play on the tag and lets see what our DE plan is after next year.

I just know that if we can retain him, our pass rush will be one of the few non ? going into training camp.

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Isn't a tag number at or above $20m? I don't see that working. I think they try to sign him to a 2 or 3 year deal at a reasonable price. They should be prepared to let him walk though. He's battled knee issues for half the season and he's no spring chicken anymore.

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Thoughts on Gregory? I'm pretty sure there is no way in heck they let him go now that he's finally paying off after years of investment. If they can't sign him I'm pretty sure they are gonna tag him.

Tagging him might make the most sense anyway. Don't get locked into a long term deal right now. D-Law only has 2 years left on his deal... let Randy play on the tag and lets see what our DE plan is after next year.

I just know that if we can retain him, our pass rush will be one of the few non ? going into training camp.

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Isn't a tag number at or above $20m? I don't see that working. I think they try to sign him to a 2 or 3 year deal at a reasonable price. They should be prepared to let him walk though. He's battled knee issues for half the season and he's no spring chicken anymore.

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Yeah, can't afford a tag. He might give them an opportunity to match any deal, but who knows for sure what he's thinking. He may want a fresh start.

I'm hoping Gregory is decent enough to give them a home town discount for all the years they stuck with him and his suspensions.

I know its business, but still.

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Thoughts on Gregory? I'm pretty sure there is no way in heck they let him go now that he's finally paying off after years of investment. If they can't sign him I'm pretty sure they are gonna tag him.

Tagging him might make the most sense anyway. Don't get locked into a long term deal right now. D-Law only has 2 years left on his deal... let Randy play on the tag and lets see what our DE plan is after next year.

I just know that if we can retain him, our pass rush will be one of the few non ? going into training camp.

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Gregory is not reliable. He stayed in line for a contract year, but there is no way you can trust that he will consistently do that once he gets paid. Randy cost the Cowboys the chance to get the ball back with a lot more time last Sunday with that ridiculously stupid penalty. They should let him go.

Interesting commentary after you get through the 2 minute intro.

Heck, even D-Law seemed to have lost a step after he was resigned.

Just say no to Gregory. He's a timebomb.

Miami needs a back and a name, and they have a ton of picks and cap space. Would they take Zeke?

So seeing some reports that Payton maybe done in New Orleans? Would Jerry ****can McCarthy if that comes true?

AG 2000' said:

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Ag Natural said:

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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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Ag Natural said:

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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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I can't remember the last time the Cowboys didn't have salary cap issues. Every year it seems like they have no room within the cap to work with.

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Yup.

All we heard for years was "Stephen Jones is a genius w the cap". He's never done shi* w the cap that means anything. Like father like son both of em suck at winning football operations

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Well we weren't in cap hell this year and managed to sign several impactful FAs.

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They restructured contracts to get under the cap last offseason. This is very much the norm for them.

At the end of the day all that is just fodder within the larger lack of results. 27 years and not even an NFC Championship game appearance. They've defied probability to stake this claim. I agree with the analyst that Texags radio had this morning that said "as long as the Jones family owns this team, they'll underachieve because theres a serious cultural issue in the org when there isn't a coach in place the players truly respect i.e..JJ, Parcells"

Jerry and Stephen Jones would both be fired by any other organization if they went this long without results.

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I just feel bad for "fans" like you. So many so-called experts literally don't pay attention to anything and then at the end of the season go ingenious talking points like
- xx years and no champ game
- As long as Jones is there they won't win.
- The culture blah blah
- Great coaches will never be hired

Its not even worth arguing either because you can only disprove all these genius takes by witnessing the team break through win again. A task that is immeasurably difficult.

So this current iterations won the division, made the playoffs, won 12 games, led the league in scoring, drafted and uncovered some amazing defensive players and fell 25 yards shy of beating a very talented Niners. They managed to get Dak signed, which was the hot topic for the last 4 years ("Jones is f'ing this up again"). They retained McClay, the guy credited with turning the scouting department around. They are NOT in cap hell if you objectively look around the league.

Nope. We can't celebrate anything ever again until the win the SB. Well some of us can't.

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Take away the NFC East games and tell me where we ended up in scoring average.

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Good teams are supposed to beat the bad teams on their schedule. Green Bay was also a product of a weak division.

I don't hold the NFC East against the 21 Dallas Cowboys.

He may become the interim coach when the Cowboys start 2-4 next year.

Huge news, that's great!

Very good news. You know, I know there are only 32 HC jobs so I get why someone wants that, but I think there's also something to be said for a guy that's already been in that meat grinder to be a less stressful situation and still make really good money.

I mean his defense was ranked in the middle of the pack but was widely praised for the improvement. He can have an average ranked D in Dallas and be held in pretty high regard. That doesn't happen as a HC.

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He may become the interim coach when the Cowboys start 2-4 next year.

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And then he'll name Sean Payton the OC

Glad to hear that DQ is hanging around. Thinking he may see the writing on the wall with McCarthy and figures if he is here already, he has a better chance of stepping into the role of HC.

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Glad to hear that DQ is hanging around. Thinking he may see the writing on the wall with McCarthy and figures if he is here already, he has a better chance of stepping into the role of HC.

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Yep and I would prefer that they go ahead and make Quinn HC now. The offense (what McCarthy is known for) severely under-performed in the second half of the season (about since Denver embarrassed him and Moore in Dallas). And they never really figured it out after that. Just my opinion. I'm not a McCarthy fan at all after this season.

I don't think anybody will want Quinn as a HC. He stunk it up at Atlanta and got fired.

He is a great DC tho.

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I just feel bad for "fans" like you. So many so-called experts literally don't pay attention to anything and then at the end of the season go ingenious talking points like
- xx years and no champ game
- As long as Jones is there they won't win.
- The culture blah blah
- Great coaches will never be hired

Its not even worth arguing either because you can only disprove all these genius takes by witnessing the team break through win again. A task that is immeasurably difficult.

So this current iterations won the division, made the playoffs, won 12 games, led the league in scoring, drafted and uncovered some amazing defensive players and fell 25 yards shy of beating a very talented Niners. They managed to get Dak signed, which was the hot topic for the last 4 years ("Jones is f'ing this up again"). They retained McClay, the guy credited with turning the scouting department around. They are NOT in cap hell if you objectively look around the league.

Nope. We can't celebrate anything ever again until the win the SB. Well some of us can't.

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You sound like the kind of Ag who defended R.C. and lectured people on how back in the day we kissed after first downs.

The Cowboys are a joke nationally. Have been for thirty years now.

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You're right. Its way better to just give up and be miserable.

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Who says I've given up? I still tune in to watch, it's just the losses don't hurt like they used to.

But thanks for casting aside my criticism of this front office. If Jerry wasn't the owner he would have fired Jerry the GM or Stephen the GM/VP long ago.

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Ag Natural said:

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AG 2000' said:

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Ag Natural said:

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I just feel bad for "fans" like you. So many so-called experts literally don't pay attention to anything and then at the end of the season go ingenious talking points like
- xx years and no champ game
- As long as Jones is there they won't win.
- The culture blah blah
- Great coaches will never be hired

Its not even worth arguing either because you can only disprove all these genius takes by witnessing the team break through win again. A task that is immeasurably difficult.

So this current iterations won the division, made the playoffs, won 12 games, led the league in scoring, drafted and uncovered some amazing defensive players and fell 25 yards shy of beating a very talented Niners. They managed to get Dak signed, which was the hot topic for the last 4 years ("Jones is f'ing this up again"). They retained McClay, the guy credited with turning the scouting department around. They are NOT in cap hell if you objectively look around the league.

Nope. We can't celebrate anything ever again until the win the SB. Well some of us can't.

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You sound like the kind of Ag who defended R.C. and lectured people on how back in the day we kissed after first downs.

The Cowboys are a joke nationally. Have been for thirty years now.

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You're right. Its way better to just give up and be miserable.

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Who says I've given up? I still tune in to watch, it's just the losses don't hurt like they used to.

But thanks for casting aside my criticism of this front office. If Jerry wasn't the owner he would have fired Jerry the GM or Stephen the GM/VP long ago.

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I guess it depends on how you evaluate the GM role. If you base it primarily on talent acquisition then this team has had the talent to win big several times.

I was really hoping someone would poach kellen Moore, but it looks like the rest of the league isn't interested. Jerrah will ignore the warning signs and bring him back.

We need a change on offense in the worst way. Running these same coaches / players out next year will lead to more of the same from the second half of the season. The only thing that might prove me wrong is if Dak was playing hurt and the dak from the first half of the season re-emerges.

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/kellen-moore-leaving-coach-job-dallas-sources#gid=ci02982edbf0002790&pid=kellen-dak-

Here is the bad news.

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Moore has interviewed for head coaching jobs with the Denver Broncos, Minnesota Vikings, Miami Dolphins, and Jacksonville Jaguars. However, Moore is not expected to land a new job in this hiring cycle, according to league sources not authorized to speak publicly.

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4 desperate teams gave him a sniff and said no thanks. Should be seen as a bad sign.

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Moore presented well in interviews. And those who've worked with him have labeled him "the smartest coach in the room." But at least one hiring committee came away wondering if he has the commanding personality and leadership style to stand in front of an entire team and grab players' attention. What this means for the Cowboys going forward is this: Moore will be back with the Cowboys in 2022.

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