IrishAg said:

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The Texans just traded back up?

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Gave up a 4th and 5th this year and a 4th next year

The Texans have traded picks Nos. 109, 158 and a 2022 fourth-round pick to move up to No. 89.

— Sarah Barshop (@sarahbarshop) May 1, 2021

Collins?

Yup Collins

Good get

bilbobag said:

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Good get

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That was a lot to give up tho

MG bout to burst out of that jacket

Here's my problem. The logistics of this pick are terrible. He's got one year to prove it or be replaced. Barring him setting the world on fire (which is highly unlikely for any rookie QB), they will have to seriously consider drafting a QB early next year. And if the do, the new guy becomes the chosen one by virtue of being a (likely) top 5 pick.

While it's well and good to say to we want competition, that's not how it plays out. If you have a top pick, you use it on a QB unless you are absolutely set at the position. And once you do, it's the new guy's job to lose.

Pep wanted him.

bilbobag said:

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Pep wanted him.

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Is Pep really the OC behind the scenes?

Wait, so there were really compensatory picks only for POC hiring? The Ravens really got a third rounder because the Texans hired Culley?

JCA1 said:

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Buck Compton said:

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Wait, so there were really compensatory picks only for POC hiring? The Ravens really got a third rounder because the Texans hired Culley?

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Shouldn't the team that hires them get the pick? Doesn't this create an incentive to not hire POC so you don't hand tour competitors extra picks? Don't understand the logic at all.

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I get the logic if your goal is actually incentivizing building a larger base of POC candidates with the experience and quality to eventually be hired, but never thought that was the problem, really. There's always been qualified candidates.

That's why it's a third rounder, not like you're giving away first rounders. But still a weird rule to me.

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Buck Compton said:

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Wait, so there were really compensatory picks only for POC hiring? The Ravens really got a third rounder because the Texans hired Culley?

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Shouldn't the team that hires them get the pick? Doesn't this create an incentive to not hire POC so you don't hand your competitors extra picks? Don't understand the logic at all.

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Correct. It's idiotic. Realistically they should reward both teams.

JCA1 said:

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Buck Compton said:

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Wait, so there were really compensatory picks only for POC hiring? The Ravens really got a third rounder because the Texans hired Culley?

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Shouldn't the team that hires them get the pick? Doesn't this create an incentive to not hire POC so you don't hand your competitors extra picks? Don't understand the logic at all.

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Agreed. Pretty backwards if you ask me.

bdgol07 said:

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You only draft a QB here if you have a potential deal in place to move Watson and are planning on going with Tyrod into the season

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The second part is not dependent on the first part. They're not going to have a choice about Watson not starting.

I kind of like that Mills pick. It's the kind of pick you can only make if you are in control of a dumpster fire. Mills has loads of potential, but not enough tape to justify a high selection. Teams in contention will talk themselves into players that could contribute immediately and pass on him. Teams on a rebuild will select a better QB prospect at the very top of the draft. The Texans have no pressure to contend and no high draft picks to get an elite prospect. Caserio has very little to lose with these picks, so he might as well swing for the fence. If Mills lives up to his potential, he could have found the steal of the draft.

I also think that Collins pick could be a great one.

Bobby Jimbo said:

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JCA1 said:

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Buck Compton said:

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Wait, so there were really compensatory picks only for POC hiring? The Ravens really got a third rounder because the Texans hired Culley?

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Shouldn't the team that hires them get the pick? Doesn't this create an incentive to not hire POC so you don't hand your competitors extra picks? Don't understand the logic at all.

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Agreed. Pretty backwards if you ask me.

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Its intended to disincentivize perfunctory hires of POC coaches into positions. For example, teams could abuse the rule and hire POC coaches into co-"coordinator" type positions without actual authority/role just to get extra picks. Instead, you're incentivized to hire and grow them. I get it, but it is a little funky.

AG@RICE said:

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I kind of like that Mills pick. It's the kind of pick you can only make if you are in control of a dumpster fire. Mills has loads of potential, but not enough tape to justify a high selection. Teams in contention will talk themselves into players that could contribute immediately and pass on him. Teams on a rebuild will select a better QB prospect at the very top of the draft. The Texans have no pressure to contend and no high draft picks to get an elite prospect. Caserio has very little to lose with these picks, so he might as well swing for the fence. If Mills lives up to his potential, he could have found the steal of the draft.

I also think that Collins pick could be a great one.

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Mills was getting talked up as a potential early 2nd. He was going to go off the board soon. I just disagree with how he was perceived, which is like most QBs in the draft, overrated. You had bigger fish to fry. Ditto for Collins. You say he has nothing to lose but this defense was historically bad and lost its best player. You need to start building it up. You can't take a bottom 2 defense and turn it into a good one in one offseason so I guess Caserio is committed to sucking through at least 2023.

MaxPower said:

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AG@RICE said:

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I kind of like that Mills pick. It's the kind of pick you can only make if you are in control of a dumpster fire. Mills has loads of potential, but not enough tape to justify a high selection. Teams in contention will talk themselves into players that could contribute immediately and pass on him. Teams on a rebuild will select a better QB prospect at the very top of the draft. The Texans have no pressure to contend and no high draft picks to get an elite prospect. Caserio has very little to lose with these picks, so he might as well swing for the fence. If Mills lives up to his potential, he could have found the steal of the draft.

I also think that Collins pick could be a great one.

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Mills was getting talked up as a potential early 2nd. He was going to go off the board soon. I just disagree with how he was perceived, which is like most QBs in the draft, overrated. You had bigger fish to fry. Ditto for Collins. You say he has nothing to lose but this defense was historically bad and lost its best player. You need to start building it up. You can't take a bottom 2 defense and turn it into a good one in one offseason so I guess Caserio is committed to sucking through at least 2023.

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Based upon how they drafted I think its clear the entire organization has no drive to be a successful football team for the next 2 or 3 years. Thats why I said he has "nothing to lose". His superiors know they gave him a terrible situation, so he has no pressure to be good for 3-4 years. He can swing for the fences instead of trying to put together a series of singles. In 5 years, if he has nothing to show for it, everyone will blame McNuggets and the Easter-bunny for creating a terrible organizational culture, not Caserio.

Furthermore, most of the fans are so apathetic that they won't care that we aren't getting better for the next year. You have to imagine season ticket sales were going to be terrible no matter who they drafted. Perfect time to roll the dice for a few years instead of playing it safe. Worst case outcome is that he gets fired in 5 years and leaves the organization with a top 5 pick...better than what buttchin did...

MaxPower said:

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AG@RICE said:

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I kind of like that Mills pick. It's the kind of pick you can only make if you are in control of a dumpster fire. Mills has loads of potential, but not enough tape to justify a high selection. Teams in contention will talk themselves into players that could contribute immediately and pass on him. Teams on a rebuild will select a better QB prospect at the very top of the draft. The Texans have no pressure to contend and no high draft picks to get an elite prospect. Caserio has very little to lose with these picks, so he might as well swing for the fence. If Mills lives up to his potential, he could have found the steal of the draft.

I also think that Collins pick could be a great one.

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Mills was getting talked up as a potential early 2nd. He was going to go off the board soon. I just disagree with how he was perceived, which is like most QBs in the draft, overrated. You had bigger fish to fry. Ditto for Collins. You say he has nothing to lose but this defense was historically bad and lost its best player. You need to start building it up. You can't take a bottom 2 defense and turn it into a good one in one offseason so I guess Caserio is committed to sucking through at least 2023.

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The only way that the Mills pick makes sense to me is that the Texans were super-duper high on him and that had he stayed an extra year in college, they believe he would be the #1 QB in next year's draft. If that is the case, why not get him now and have him be developed within your system? Mills was the #1 QB recruit in the 2017 class, but didn't get that many starts due to COVID and injuries (red flag?).

I say that as I was pretty disappointed that we didn't get a guy like Joseph Ossai. To me, that was the obvious pick. Houston kid with upside that could possibly improve our abysmal defense. Oh well, hopefully we can get the best out of Mills.

The chances of competing without a good to great qb are slim. Some believe in drafting a qb every year until you find one that sticks. Could have the best supporting cast, but generally you aren't winning anything if you don't have the qb that can drive the bus.

That pick was interesting. But just like every other draft, you find out how good or bad it was in a few years.

Collins seems like a good pick. Finally get some size at receiver.

I like Collins. Had he not sat out 2020, I think he would've been a much higher pick. He must have worked on his quickness because his 3 cone was blazing.

Mills... Well, I do really like his highlights. He has great arm strength, touch and accuracy. Maybe enough athleticism to run when he has to, at least for a couple years. So to me, he has the potential to be a really good pocket QB. But did we really need a 3rd string QB?

Our defense is going to be historically bad, we'll probably fire Culley and start over again next year.

So the most pressing need on a team with holes everywhere, but particularly on defense was a project QB?

I don't disagree that may be Caserio's thought process but if he believes Cal won't blame him when they still suck in a year or will choose him over easterby he clearly doesn't know what he's in for.

Texan_Aggie said:

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The chances of competing without a good to great qb are slim. Some believe in drafting a qb every year until you find one that sticks.

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Does anyone actually do this though? No one springs to mind. And even if you draft one every year, that's only part of it. There's only so many reps in practice. And there's even less reps with the first team. At some point, you gotta say "this is our guy" and give him the lion's share of the touches to see if he pans out. And this usually takes a year or so.

IMO, Mills has his rookie season to convince the Texans not to take a QB with their first pick next year. Which I very seriously doubt he will be able to do. If they do use their No. 1 pick next year on a QB, it will take more will power than the texans have ever shown to keep it a level competition. The No. 1 pick will clearly be given the advantage by virtue of his draft position.

Because of this, the odds of Mills being given a fair shot to develop here are extremely low, IMO. And that's why I think it was a terrible pick, regardless of your thoughts on Mills (who I've admittedly never seen play).

I agree that's the problem. I'm hoping they stay disciplined and take the best player available next year (likely Stingley or Thibodeax), preferably after trading down a few spots. I can't see a Lawrence emerging but can see a team desperate to move up for the best QB available. If they do that then the Mills pick may turn out ok. If they don't then it was awful. Guess we have to wait a year to find out. I would add the patriots haven't been eager to draft a qb so I'm hopeful they do the smart thing.

To be fair, the last time we drafted a qb in the first, the Texans tried their hardest to make him earn his starting position. That last one half of a regular season game because Savage was that bad.

Texan_Aggie said:

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To be fair, the last time we drafted a qb in the first, the Texans tried their hardest to make him earn his starting position. That last one half of a regular season game because Savage was that bad.

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I wouldn't call the first half of the first game really holding the line.

But that was at least a decent team, coming off a decent season, with a chance to win a division. This team barely won 4 games with Watson and JJ. Good luck sticking with Mills after a 3-13 season with a shiny No. 1 pick sitting on the bench.