Dallas82 said:

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In 30 years you may be hard pressed to find anyone who will admit that the voted for him.

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30 years? I'm thinking 30 as in by 2030. At that point there will likely be the ultra maga so crowing how they owned the libs, even if Trump was to their own detriment, but that'll be about it. Everyone else will just move on the way democrats did with Carter.

I voted for Trump in the general each time. Wanted DeSantis in 2024. I'm MAGA in the sense of the platform: America first, strong defense, secure borders, onshoring jobs, energy independent/dominant, law and order, project strength overseas but avoid lingering foreign entanglements. Trump is way too "spendy" fiscally for my taste but that's a disease that has infected both sides for years.

Trump did a lot of that his first term. Could have done a lot more if the R's in Congress his first two years weren't so squishy and had the completely bogus Russian collusion nonsense not taken hold. Covid hurt him too.

Trump's second term could have been very strong. I like that he secured the border (again) and ramped up the deportations. I appreciate his thoughts at reconciling bad trade deals but his tariff policies ultimately became lunacy in the way they were executed willy nilly. his first foray into Iran was fine with the quick in and out bombing. Second foray has been disatrous and while we've hurt Iran militarily and set them back, the cease fire and this lingering attempts at deal making are not working while Iran still destroys tankers in the Strait. Its completely derailed his second term and led to the Dems resurgence. Dems were buried in 2024, went harder left, and Trump had a mandate and blew it.

Jeeper79 said:

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Up until not long ago, some of you said Trump was a top 3 all-time president. Some even said number 1.

Do you still hold that opinion?

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Why do you think this question is at all relevant ?

fixer said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Up until not long ago, some of you said Trump was a top 3 all-time president. Some even said number 1.

Do you still hold that opinion?

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Why do you think this question is at all relevant ?

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Relevant to what? This is a political forum. I'm conversing about politics.

Jeeper79 said:

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fixer said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Up until not long ago, some of you said Trump was a top 3 all-time president. Some even said number 1.

Do you still hold that opinion?

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Why do you think this question is at all relevant ?

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Relevant to what? This is a political forum. I'm conversing about politics.

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Relevant to anything more specific than " I'm just asking questions "

He's been the best president I've had the option of voting for

first vote where I was voting for a candidate rather than against the opposition.

Yes. He's the only president with the stones to finish a war started under Carter.

Dallas82 said:

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LarryLayman said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Up until not long ago, some of you said Trump was a top 3 all-time president. Some even said number 1.

Do you still hold that opinion?

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Absolutely Trump will be regarded as an excellent president. Just because you think blue and pink haired cat ladies named Karen have all the answers doesn't mean normal people think that way.

The fight with Iran is the war we should have fought. And it has been Trumps downfall due to Americas recently acquired weak stomach. The turncoat bushies and chenies took away America's stomach to fight in the fabricated Iraq war. If you think that is Trumps fault you are not thinking it through.

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Trump is already considered one of the top three worst presidents in history. Do you think his legacy will get better over time? He will be remembered as a narcissistic crook who made billions while the American people suffered.

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Let's be real, if any American is "suffering" today it's on them. We have it easier now than at any time in our 250 year history.

flown-the-coop said:

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The disaster of Tuesday lays at the feet of Thune and others on the Senate more than on Trump.

Whilst these lame duck years remain important, his legacy was settled in the first two years with the decisive action in Iran and VZ, closing of the border, mass deportations, military investments, economic investments, throwing a huge spike strip out on the Dems push for socialism and turning the country over to immigrants.

Those things are written and will reap rewards years. But these past elections are a reflection of how regarded the masses are AND perhaps most importantly the absolutely failure of the Senate to do anything past the OBBB.

Trump is the GOAT of the modern era. No questions or doubts about it.

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If Thune had horse traded to get the SAVE Act, then MAGA would have attacked him. But he chose not to eliminate the filibuster, which meant that he couldn't get the SAVE Act, so MAGA attacked him. I've seen others blaming Thune but I've never seen a clear explanation of what they think he could have done, other than eliminating the filibuster.

It's ironic, now that the Dems are in charge we probably will see elimination of the filibuster.

Jeeper79 said:

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Up until not long ago, some of you said Trump was a top 3 all-time president. Some even said number 1.

Do you still hold that opinion?

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I thought everyone was MAGA, that everyone wanted to make America great again.

I voted for Trump every time. I don't know where he belongs in the list of top alll-time presidents, but in terms of many things he has done, I'd say top 3. In other things, way down the list.

I am ready for another Republican. And am tired of old people being president. Biden and Trump are well past their sell by date.

Even though I feel that way, I cannot imagine any situation when I would vote for a democrat.

Dallas82 said:

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LarryLayman said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Up until not long ago, some of you said Trump was a top 3 all-time president. Some even said number 1.

Do you still hold that opinion?

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Absolutely Trump will be regarded as an excellent president. Just because you think blue and pink haired cat ladies named Karen have all the answers doesn't mean normal people think that way.

The fight with Iran is the war we should have fought. And it has been Trumps downfall due to Americas recently acquired weak stomach. The turncoat bushies and chenies took away America's stomach to fight in the fabricated Iraq war. If you think that is Trumps fault you are not thinking it through.

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Trump is already considered one of the top three worst presidents in history. Do you think his legacy will get better over time? He will be remembered as a narcissistic crook who made billions while the American people suffered.

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I am with you on the narcissist but where is your proof on the crook and billions part.

Dimtards natural disposition is to lie and spread lies.

hillcountryag86 said:

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Voted for him twice.

But, no. Not top 3. And not number 1.

Appreciate some things he's done.

But I'm getting Trump fatigue.

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Same.

Though I have zero regrets voting for him, particularly over Harris.

For all the things Trump could have avoided to make this mid-term hurt less...allowing Harris to become President in 2024 would have been an EPIC disaster. The corruption and power grab in Biden's first term had to be quelled. It was worth the vote.

Trump has 2 years left. Whether the Republicans held fast or lost seats, it was time to start preparing for the post-Trump Republican party regardless.

I prefer to look at this rationally without all the emotion from the extremes.

On one side, you have some people still dug in that Trump can do no wrong and we should move forward with the person he wants. I don't agree with that take.

On the other extreme, you are going to have people (mostly with sinister motive) who will say that anyone who mostly agrees with Trump is unfit to lead the Republican party. I don't agree with that take either.

We can take the 'America First' mindset and build on it. That isn't just a Trump thing, it's something every leader should keep in mind. Do what's best for our country first, not putting other agendas in front of that. For all of his faults, he provided a general blueprint on how to take the fight to Democrats and appeal to voters better than any Republican nominee since Reagan. Did Trump's personality get in his way? Absolutely. It doesn't negate the good we can take away from that era though.

The last thing the Republican party needs to do is slip back into the meek, apologetic mindset they were in prior to Trump shaking things up.

Vepp said:

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LarryLayman said:

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Dallas82 said:

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LarryLayman said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Up until not long ago, some of you said Trump was a top 3 all-time president. Some even said number 1.

Do you still hold that opinion?

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Absolutely Trump will be regarded as an excellent president. Just because you think blue and pink haired cat ladies named Karen have all the answers doesn't mean normal people think that way.

The fight with Iran is the war we should have fought. And it has been Trumps downfall due to Americas recently acquired weak stomach. The turncoat bushies and chenies took away America's stomach to fight in the fabricated Iraq war. If you think that is Trumps fault you are not thinking it through.

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Trump is already considered one of the top three worst presidents in history. Do you think his legacy will get better over time? He will be remembered as a narcissistic crook who made billions while the American people suffered.

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I am with you on the narcissist but where is your proof on the crook and billions part.

Dimtards natural disposition is to lie and spread lies.

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Trump ran a crypto pump and dump. $Trump. Guarantee him, his family and cronies made millions off of americans who could have used that money to improve the lives of their families.

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I dont feel sorry for anyone who bought those or beanie babies

I'm not sure where Trump will rank out but I can tell you this, Jimmy Carter and Joe Biden are about 40+ spots below him. Lol.

Vepp said:

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LarryLayman said:

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Dallas82 said:

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LarryLayman said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Up until not long ago, some of you said Trump was a top 3 all-time president. Some even said number 1.

Do you still hold that opinion?

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Absolutely Trump will be regarded as an excellent president. Just because you think blue and pink haired cat ladies named Karen have all the answers doesn't mean normal people think that way.

The fight with Iran is the war we should have fought. And it has been Trumps downfall due to Americas recently acquired weak stomach. The turncoat bushies and chenies took away America's stomach to fight in the fabricated Iraq war. If you think that is Trumps fault you are not thinking it through.

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Trump is already considered one of the top three worst presidents in history. Do you think his legacy will get better over time? He will be remembered as a narcissistic crook who made billions while the American people suffered.

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I am with you on the narcissist but where is your proof on the crook and billions part.

Dimtards natural disposition is to lie and spread lies.

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Trump ran a crypto pump and dump. $Trump. Guarantee him, his family and cronies made millions off of americans who could have used that money to improve the lives of their families.

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If their crypto company was corrupt then they ALL are. The Trumps did nothing illegal. Ignorant people were caught up in the euphoria.

Where was this dedication to ethics under Obama, Pelosi, and Biden?

Trump (or any president) is not a dictator. While Trump is not perfect, the bigger issue is the whole GOP has once again failed to deliver on many promises.

Jeeper79 said:

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Up until not long ago, some of you said Trump was a top 3 all-time president. Some even said number 1.

Do you still hold that opinion?

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Trump has always been a guy that does some incredible things with huge W's but also doing some absolutely brain dead mistakes. His biggest flaw is not only is he a narcissist but he doesn't even remotely try and hide it. Obama for instance is a bigger narcissist than Trump but he is much smarter about it. Hopefully he will be the last Boomer President. My hope is one of the Gen Xers like DeSantis or Rubio finally gets a chance but it looks like Millennials love them some socialism.

zephyr88 said:

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Not sure of his ranking, but my portfolio surely enjoys him.

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Mine too. But then Biden was also good for your portfolio. Look it up.
Dubya sucked (affected by 911)

ABATTBQ11 said:

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LarryLayman said:

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Vepp said:

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LarryLayman said:

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Dallas82 said:

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LarryLayman said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Up until not long ago, some of you said Trump was a top 3 all-time president. Some even said number 1.

Do you still hold that opinion?

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Absolutely Trump will be regarded as an excellent president. Just because you think blue and pink haired cat ladies named Karen have all the answers doesn't mean normal people think that way.

The fight with Iran is the war we should have fought. And it has been Trumps downfall due to Americas recently acquired weak stomach. The turncoat bushies and chenies took away America's stomach to fight in the fabricated Iraq war. If you think that is Trumps fault you are not thinking it through.

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Trump is already considered one of the top three worst presidents in history. Do you think his legacy will get better over time? He will be remembered as a narcissistic crook who made billions while the American people suffered.

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I am with you on the narcissist but where is your proof on the crook and billions part.

Dimtards natural disposition is to lie and spread lies.

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Trump ran a crypto pump and dump. $Trump. Guarantee him, his family and cronies made millions off of americans who could have used that money to improve the lives of their families.

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If their crypto company was corrupt then they ALL are. The Trumps did nothing illegal. Ignorant people were caught up in the euphoria.

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Except those weren't run by a president who promoted an intimate, private dinner (and later cancelled white house tour) for top coin holders while he was making money on transaction fees and price hikes as lobbyists and others bought up coins to buy a seat.

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So you think Trump knew it would fail? It was a failed attempt to capitalize on what everyone thought was a wave. And you think the people invested their money only because they got a white house tour? SMH

The real crime happened during the biden years and will happen next time dim's control all three branches.
We have millions of illegals with low IQ's who vote and will be latched onto the teet of the American taxpayer for the rest of their lives.

aggie93 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Up until not long ago, some of you said Trump was a top 3 all-time president. Some even said number 1.

Do you still hold that opinion?

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Trump has always been a guy that does some incredible things with huge W's but also doing some absolutely brain dead mistakes. His biggest flaw is not only is he a narcissist but he doesn't even remotely try and hide it. Obama for instance is a bigger narcissist than Trump but he is much smarter about it. Hopefully he will be the last Boomer President. My hope is one of the Gen Xers like DeSantis or Rubio finally gets a chance but it looks like Millennials love them some socialism.

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Yup. Enough of the Boomers.
I am waiting for my generation, Gen X to show what they can do.

The Republicans, with their flawed and fake version of capitalism where only the richer get richer and everyone else struggles won't work.

Hence socialism is taking hold. I blame the Republicans and fake scam capitalists for that.

JW said:

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Trump (or any president) is not a dictator. While Trump is not perfect, the bigger issue is the whole GOP has once again failed to deliver on many promises.

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The GOP didn't bomb Iran after saying no more wars and refuse to release the Epstein files after insisting they would exist all the Democrats in them. They also didn't spend a lot of time and energy slapping their names on currency or the Kennedy Center or a bunch of other vanity projects.

infinity ag said:

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aggie93 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Up until not long ago, some of you said Trump was a top 3 all-time president. Some even said number 1.

Do you still hold that opinion?

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Trump has always been a guy that does some incredible things with huge W's but also doing some absolutely brain dead mistakes. His biggest flaw is not only is he a narcissist but he doesn't even remotely try and hide it. Obama for instance is a bigger narcissist than Trump but he is much smarter about it. Hopefully he will be the last Boomer President. My hope is one of the Gen Xers like DeSantis or Rubio finally gets a chance but it looks like Millennials love them some socialism.

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Yup. Enough of the Boomers.
I am waiting for my generation, Gen X to show what they can do.

The Republicans, with their flawed and fake version of capitalism where only the richer get richer and everyone else struggles won't work.

Hence socialism is taking hold. I blame the Republicans and fake scam capitalists for that.

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As a Gen Xer I can't help but fear the answer is "Gen X finally gets their chance! It's Gavin Newsom!" Don't know if I should laugh or cry.

infinity ag said:

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aggie93 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Up until not long ago, some of you said Trump was a top 3 all-time president. Some even said number 1.

Do you still hold that opinion?

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Trump has always been a guy that does some incredible things with huge W's but also doing some absolutely brain dead mistakes. His biggest flaw is not only is he a narcissist but he doesn't even remotely try and hide it. Obama for instance is a bigger narcissist than Trump but he is much smarter about it. Hopefully he will be the last Boomer President. My hope is one of the Gen Xers like DeSantis or Rubio finally gets a chance but it looks like Millennials love them some socialism.

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Yup. Enough of the Boomers.
I am waiting for my generation, Gen X to show what they can do.

The Republicans, with their flawed and fake version of capitalism where only the richer get richer and everyone else struggles won't work.

Hence socialism is taking hold. I blame the Republicans and fake scam capitalists for that.

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This guy gets it.

flown-the-coop said:

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The disaster of Tuesday lays at the feet of Thune and others on the Senate more than on Trump.

Whilst these lame duck years remain important, his legacy was settled in the first two years with the decisive action in Iran and VZ, closing of the border, mass deportations, military investments, economic investments, throwing a huge spike strip out on the Dems push for socialism and turning the country over to immigrants.

Those things are written and will reap rewards years. But these past elections are a reflection of how regarded the masses are AND perhaps most importantly the absolutely failure of the Senate to do anything past the OBBB.

Trump is the GOAT of the modern era. No questions or doubts about it.

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This. Trump is doing the dirty work of making structural changes and beating back our enemies. It's hard and thankless and the bulk of people are so poorly informed or just plain too weak for the fight.

The left is so caught up in their hatred for someone that dares to take them on that they will never be rational about anything. It's TDS at any and all costs. Common sense be damned.

What he is doing now is making him seem like an uncaring blowhard (mainly because he is a master at trolling), but in the future we and our children and grandchildren will reap the benefits long after he is gone.

aggie93 said:

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infinity ag said:

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aggie93 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Up until not long ago, some of you said Trump was a top 3 all-time president. Some even said number 1.

Do you still hold that opinion?

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Trump has always been a guy that does some incredible things with huge W's but also doing some absolutely brain dead mistakes. His biggest flaw is not only is he a narcissist but he doesn't even remotely try and hide it. Obama for instance is a bigger narcissist than Trump but he is much smarter about it. Hopefully he will be the last Boomer President. My hope is one of the Gen Xers like DeSantis or Rubio finally gets a chance but it looks like Millennials love them some socialism.

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Yup. Enough of the Boomers.
I am waiting for my generation, Gen X to show what they can do.

The Republicans, with their flawed and fake version of capitalism where only the richer get richer and everyone else struggles won't work.

Hence socialism is taking hold. I blame the Republicans and fake scam capitalists for that.

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As a Gen Xer I can't help but fear the answer is "Gen X finally gets their chance! It's Gavin Newsom!" Don't know if I should laugh or cry.

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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

LarryLayman said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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LarryLayman said:

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Vepp said:

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LarryLayman said:

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Dallas82 said:

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LarryLayman said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Up until not long ago, some of you said Trump was a top 3 all-time president. Some even said number 1.

Do you still hold that opinion?

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Absolutely Trump will be regarded as an excellent president. Just because you think blue and pink haired cat ladies named Karen have all the answers doesn't mean normal people think that way.

The fight with Iran is the war we should have fought. And it has been Trumps downfall due to Americas recently acquired weak stomach. The turncoat bushies and chenies took away America's stomach to fight in the fabricated Iraq war. If you think that is Trumps fault you are not thinking it through.

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Trump is already considered one of the top three worst presidents in history. Do you think his legacy will get better over time? He will be remembered as a narcissistic crook who made billions while the American people suffered.

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I am with you on the narcissist but where is your proof on the crook and billions part.

Dimtards natural disposition is to lie and spread lies.

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Trump ran a crypto pump and dump. $Trump. Guarantee him, his family and cronies made millions off of americans who could have used that money to improve the lives of their families.

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If their crypto company was corrupt then they ALL are. The Trumps did nothing illegal. Ignorant people were caught up in the euphoria.

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Except those weren't run by a president who promoted an intimate, private dinner (and later cancelled white house tour) for top coin holders while he was making money on transaction fees and price hikes as lobbyists and others bought up coins to buy a seat.

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So you think Trump knew it would fail? It was a failed attempt to capitalize on what everyone thought was a wave. And you think the people invested their money only because they got a white house tour? SMH

The real crime happened during the biden years and will happen next time dim's control all three branches.
We have millions of illegals with low IQ's who vote and will be latched onto the teet of the American taxpayer for the rest of their lives.

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Absolutely they knew it would fail. Every meme coin was a failure at the time and they still be are. It was marketed as being, "not intended to be an investment opportunity, security, or political campaign tool, but rather a digital collectible or entertainment asset". It was never intended to be etherium or bitcoin. They also set themselves up to make money on transaction fees, so they made money no matter what happened.

The private dinner and white house tour were promised made months after the coin had been released. People didn't spend money on it for a white house tour, they didn't money for presidential access. All of the people who ended up going bought tens of millions of dollars in $TRUMP, and he made transaction fees on all of those buys.

Just because Biden was crooked and Hunter made money off selling access through paintings doesn't mean Trump didn't do the exact same thing with crypto.

infinity ag said:

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aggie93 said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Up until not long ago, some of you said Trump was a top 3 all-time president. Some even said number 1.

Do you still hold that opinion?

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Trump has always been a guy that does some incredible things with huge W's but also doing some absolutely brain dead mistakes. His biggest flaw is not only is he a narcissist but he doesn't even remotely try and hide it. Obama for instance is a bigger narcissist than Trump but he is much smarter about it. Hopefully he will be the last Boomer President. My hope is one of the Gen Xers like DeSantis or Rubio finally gets a chance but it looks like Millennials love them some socialism.

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Yup. Enough of the Boomers.
I am waiting for my generation, Gen X to show what they can do.

The Republicans, with their flawed and fake version of capitalism where only the richer get richer and everyone else struggles won't work.

Hence socialism is taking hold. I blame the Republicans and fake scam capitalists for that.

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Yawn. There are plenty of Gen X'ers in the halls of Congress. Give me a break.

So much TDS on this thread!

ABATTBQ11 said:

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LarryLayman said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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LarryLayman said:

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Vepp said:

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LarryLayman said:

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Dallas82 said:

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LarryLayman said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Up until not long ago, some of you said Trump was a top 3 all-time president. Some even said number 1.

Do you still hold that opinion?

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Absolutely Trump will be regarded as an excellent president. Just because you think blue and pink haired cat ladies named Karen have all the answers doesn't mean normal people think that way.

The fight with Iran is the war we should have fought. And it has been Trumps downfall due to Americas recently acquired weak stomach. The turncoat bushies and chenies took away America's stomach to fight in the fabricated Iraq war. If you think that is Trumps fault you are not thinking it through.

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Trump is already considered one of the top three worst presidents in history. Do you think his legacy will get better over time? He will be remembered as a narcissistic crook who made billions while the American people suffered.

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I am with you on the narcissist but where is your proof on the crook and billions part.

Dimtards natural disposition is to lie and spread lies.

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Trump ran a crypto pump and dump. $Trump. Guarantee him, his family and cronies made millions off of americans who could have used that money to improve the lives of their families.

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If their crypto company was corrupt then they ALL are. The Trumps did nothing illegal. Ignorant people were caught up in the euphoria.

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Except those weren't run by a president who promoted an intimate, private dinner (and later cancelled white house tour) for top coin holders while he was making money on transaction fees and price hikes as lobbyists and others bought up coins to buy a seat.

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So you think Trump knew it would fail? It was a failed attempt to capitalize on what everyone thought was a wave. And you think the people invested their money only because they got a white house tour? SMH

The real crime happened during the biden years and will happen next time dim's control all three branches.
We have millions of illegals with low IQ's who vote and will be latched onto the teet of the American taxpayer for the rest of their lives.

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Absolutely they knew it would fail. Every meme coin was a failure at the time and they still be are. It was marketed as being, "not intended to be an investment opportunity, security, or political campaign tool, but rather a digital collectible or entertainment asset". It was never intended to be etherium or bitcoin. They also set themselves up to make money on transaction fees, so they made money no matter what happened.

The private dinner and white house tour were promised made months after the coin had been released. People didn't spend money on it for a white house tour, they didn't money for presidential access. All of the people who ended up going bought tens of millions of dollars in $TRUMP, and he made transaction fees on all of those buys.

Just because Biden was crooked and Hunter made money off selling access through paintings doesn't mean Trump didn't do the exact same thing with crypto.

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True, but with Trump's doing the same thing the right decried about Biden, maga also got mean tweets and memes, so fairsees.