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AI isn't going to die. It's going to dominate and run our world two decades from now.

The faux economy and ponzi scheme we've propped up on the back of it with fake promises and name changes to Super Intelligence? Yes, that is going to die a quick, and very painful death. And soon.

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Two decades? We do not have that much time. This is happening now and the scary thing is it is accelerating.

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Georgia boy scared of AI. Sure be educated, be skeptical, but dont be blind.

Imagine China with AI and the US without now that is scary.

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I'm not for scaling back. We just need to watch it. Keep it away from nukes, electrical and water utilities etc.. The ability of AI to design bioweapons is a concern. But again, like you said, China can/will do it so we can't stop. Like the space program we have to be #1.

The positives of AI hopefully far outweigh the negatives. We may cure cancer and other incurable diseases. I already have a robot that vacuums my floors and another that mows my lawn. My Tesla drives me to work in the morning and home at night. I will be ordering an Optimus robot as soon as they are released. Meta had a big announcement recently on their push for AI glasses but I already bought one a year ago when it was first released.

Concerned moderate at politics, concerned nerd with AI.

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my personal worries over datacenters have nothing to do with politics and everything to do with likely capital misallocation by hyperscalers ala the telecom boom of the late 90s.

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Why would you be worried about that? It's not your money. If you have stock in that sector, get out of it.

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bobbranco said:

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LOL.

Oracle probably took the low bid and screwed themselves.

LOL.

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I can almost guarantee this happened.

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Oracle, in their internal estimation, vastly misunderstood what the price of goods and services are. When the real TIC Estimate hits from an experienced EPC, they are shocked.

It's almost always one of those two things in my experience. Owners are typically poor to terrible at estimating.

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It kinds of depends on how the force majeure clause is worded, but my guess is that it's due in part to regulatory delay. Major supply chain issues could potentially trigger force majeure, but I haven't generally seen cost increases alone be a triggering event.

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It's just pure comedy to read these dumb comparisons between AI and the dot com bubble. You do realize all of the .coms that went under NEVER made a dime vs AI that are printing money. Go ahead and doom and gloom AI, while smart people are retiring early.

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A better comp is the telco industry of that same era. Lucent, Global Crossing, Worldcom, Nortel, Covad, Focal, Northstar, etc etc all became overleveraged and most went bankrupt in overbuilding telco capacity. .

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That is the best comparison. LLM performance has already begun to plateau. All this datacenter investment will be for naught once Moore's law catches up and everyone is running their own models in their own back office.

The real winners won't be Anthropic or OpenAI. It will be something completely different that we can't quite see yet.

GeorgiAg said:

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ttu_85 said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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FWTXAg said:

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AI isn't going to die. It's going to dominate and run our world two decades from now.

The faux economy and ponzi scheme we've propped up on the back of it with fake promises and name changes to Super Intelligence? Yes, that is going to die a quick, and very painful death. And soon.

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Two decades? We do not have that much time. This is happening now and the scary thing is it is accelerating.

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Georgia boy scared of AI. Sure be educated, be skeptical, but dont be blind.

Imagine China with AI and the US without now that is scary.

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I'm not for scaling back. We just need to watch it. Keep it away from nukes, electrical and water utilities etc.. The ability of AI to design bioweapons is a concern. But again, like you said, China can/will do it so we can't stop. Like the space program we have to be #1.

The positives of AI hopefully far outweigh the negatives. We may cure cancer and other incurable diseases. I already have a robot that vacuums my floors and another that mows my lawn. My Tesla drives me to work in the morning and home at night. I will be ordering an Optimus robot as soon as they are released. Meta had a big announcement recently on their push for AI glasses but I already bought one a year ago when it was first released.

Concerned moderate at politics, concerned nerd with AI.

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Due you do crack me up. You are one of my fav "moderates" Good post. I'd rather we slow it down a little too. But humans gonna human. Bronze vs Iron, Machine gun vs the bold action, U235 vs TNT, etc ,etc. One day it will catch up to us. That said China CANT have this.

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my personal worries over datacenters have nothing to do with politics and everything to do with likely capital misallocation by hyperscalers ala the telecom boom of the late 90s.

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Why would you be worried about that? It's not your money. If you have stock in that sector, get out of it.

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lots of investment and retirement portfolios are built on these things.

a collapse in these stocks will hurt a LOT of people.

Good luck out Terminator'ing China.


People arguing for us to attempt to outcompete China in constructing the dystopian future on its' way are going to be thoroughly dissapointed. They don't need to spread any propoganda to beat us to that end, they're already at the finish line and we just left the starting blocks.

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Honest question from an "old".
I keep seeing people saying they are "harnessing" AI to help their day to day routines.
What? How?
Can you give concrete examples AND how to leverage the AI to do those things?
My experience with AI is typing questions into ChatGPT.

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I have a client that runs multi-family housing with 171 properties and a similar number of employees. The employees are broken down into corporate, management and maintenance for bookkeeping purposes. Property level people clock in and out each day at the various properties they work at with a lot of them visiting 2+ properties in a day. In total it's north of 5000 shifts per semi-monthly pay period.

Claude takes the payroll register, a separate report with taxes for each state, the time shift report showing each shift by property and a list of properties with unit counts for each property and spits out what each property is responsible for in total by charging the actual cost of the property people according to their prorated hours for that pay period. Corporate staff are allocated to each property by that property's share of total units. All of that is split by management and maintenance as well. Their accounting system is old so it builds a csv file we can import into their system to do the bookkeeping. It does all that in 3-4 minutes where it used to take me several hours in Excel and I'm really good in Excel.

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You are truly falling behind if you are not harnessing some of the latest models in AI. I use Grok Bots now for almost full automation of all of my workflows and it's mind blowing just how good they are now.

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Or does that mean your workflows are too simple?

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Well that's why I have all the bots constantly learning from each other and are constantly looking for ways to improve themselves. It's incredibly easy to setup once you understand the hierarchies and prompts.

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LOL.

Oracle probably took the low bid and screwed themselves.

LOL.

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I can almost guarantee this happened.

OR

Oracle, in their internal estimation, vastly misunderstood what the price of goods and services are. When the real TIC Estimate hits from an experienced EPC, they are shocked.

It's almost always one of those two things in my experience. Owners are typically poor to terrible at estimating.

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Yes.

Controller making names for themself and harming a company. Seen it happen.

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Honest question from an "old".
I keep seeing people saying they are "harnessing" AI to help their day to day routines.
What? How?
Can you give concrete examples AND how to leverage the AI to do those things?
My experience with AI is typing questions into ChatGPT.

*Edited to correct fat fingers/auto corrects*

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Last one but this and my other two are representative

Same client has an annual budget requirement. The template is in Excel and has to be populated with current year budget and projected end of year actuals with info hitting several tabs in that Excel workbook. The antiquated accounting system produces PDF docs for YTD actuals and the government system we upload budgets to gives us an approved budget in PDF as well. Claude takes both PDF and fills out the current year budget, extends YTD actuals to approximate end of year final numbers then populates those into the template before applying various rules to create the 2027 budget. Prior years took about 1-1/2 hours each of data entry so for 150+ properties we saved about a month of man hours in data entry.

So scary those Chinese..,,

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Hank the Grifter said:

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Honest question from an "old".
I keep seeing people saying they are "harnessing" AI to help their day to day routines.
What? How?
Can you give concrete examples AND how to leverage the AI to do those things?
My experience with AI is typing questions into ChatGPT.

*Edited to correct fat fingers/auto corrects*

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I have a client that runs multi-family housing with 171 properties and a similar number of employees. The employees are broken down into corporate, management and maintenance for bookkeeping purposes. Property level people clock in and out each day at the various properties they work at with a lot of them visiting 2+ properties in a day. In total it's north of 5000 shifts per semi-monthly pay period.

Claude takes the payroll register, a separate report with taxes for each state, the time shift report showing each shift by property and a list of properties with unit counts for each property and spits out what each property is responsible for in total by charging the actual cost of the property people according to their prorated hours for that pay period. Corporate staff are allocated to each property by that property's share of total units. All of that is split by management and maintenance as well. Their accounting system is old so it builds a csv file we can import into their system to do the bookkeeping. It does all that in 3-4 minutes where it used to take me several hours in Excel and I'm really good in Excel.

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Not sure on this exact workflow, but if it's deterministic have Claude write an app/script to do this. Use AI for things that require judgement/semantics. If it's pure automation/logic use code. AI can hallucinate, so code is safer if you can use it.

The thing is no one has an idea of what they are building. There is no definition for "super intelligence" but it sounds fancy.

So people are throwing money because no one wants to be left behind.

It will crash at some point.

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Logos Stick said:

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my personal worries over datacenters have nothing to do with politics and everything to do with likely capital misallocation by hyperscalers ala the telecom boom of the late 90s.

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Why would you be worried about that? It's not your money. If you have stock in that sector, get out of it.

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lots of investment and retirement portfolios are built on these things.

a collapse in these stocks will hurt a LOT of people.

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Yes, but he said "personal" worries. If he thinks it's a bubble about to crash, then invest in bonds or commodities or whatever.

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The thing is no one has an idea of what they are building. There is no definition for "super intelligence" but it sounds fancy.

So people are throwing money because no one wants to be left behind.

It will crash at some point.

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China is known for building ghost cities and basically structures with facades but no bones. Are we convinced China is actually building functional AI facilities or are they empty warehouses made out of cheap crap?

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LOYAL AG said:

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Hank the Grifter said:

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Honest question from an "old".
I keep seeing people saying they are "harnessing" AI to help their day to day routines.
What? How?
Can you give concrete examples AND how to leverage the AI to do those things?
My experience with AI is typing questions into ChatGPT.

*Edited to correct fat fingers/auto corrects*

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I have a client that runs multi-family housing with 171 properties and a similar number of employees. The employees are broken down into corporate, management and maintenance for bookkeeping purposes. Property level people clock in and out each day at the various properties they work at with a lot of them visiting 2+ properties in a day. In total it's north of 5000 shifts per semi-monthly pay period.

Claude takes the payroll register, a separate report with taxes for each state, the time shift report showing each shift by property and a list of properties with unit counts for each property and spits out what each property is responsible for in total by charging the actual cost of the property people according to their prorated hours for that pay period. Corporate staff are allocated to each property by that property's share of total units. All of that is split by management and maintenance as well. Their accounting system is old so it builds a csv file we can import into their system to do the bookkeeping. It does all that in 3-4 minutes where it used to take me several hours in Excel and I'm really good in Excel.

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Not sure on this exact workflow, but if it's deterministic have Claude write an app/script to do this. Use AI for things that require judgement/semantics. If it's pure automation/logic use code. AI can hallucinate, so code is safer if you can use it.

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What do I look like, an attorney?

It's a script, yes. There's actually multiple scripts based on where the property is located because local rules and in some cases source docs available to us were different. My set up in the company Claude account is to not guess but rather ask. It's not perfect but it's a decent safeguard against hallucinations. I'm very explicit in prompts and scripts which also helps minimize hallucinations. Thanks for pointing that out though.

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Hank the Grifter said:

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Honest question from an "old".
I keep seeing people saying they are "harnessing" AI to help their day to day routines.
What? How?
Can you give concrete examples AND how to leverage the AI to do those things?
My experience with AI is typing questions into ChatGPT.

*Edited to correct fat fingers/auto corrects*

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Last one but this and my other two are representative

Same client has an annual budget requirement. The template is in Excel and has to be populated with current year budget and projected end of year actuals with info hitting several tabs in that Excel workbook. The antiquated accounting system produces PDF docs for YTD actuals and the government system we upload budgets to gives us an approved budget in PDF as well. Claude takes both PDF and fills out the current year budget, extends YTD actuals to approximate end of year final numbers then populates those into the template before applying various rules to create the 2027 budget. Prior years took about 1-1/2 hours each of data entry so for 150+ properties we saved about a month of man hours in data entry.

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shhhhh.....

We are way ahead of the ignorant and misinformed. Let's keep it that way.

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China is known for building ghost cities and basically structures with facades but no bones. Are we convinced China is actually building functional AI facilities or are they empty warehouses made out of cheap crap?

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China's private sector has taken a very different approach. Their local hyperscalers (Alibaba, etc.) are selling open source platforms like Qwen and their best stuff comes from smaller, much more efficient, open source products like Moonshot and DeepSeek.

DeepSeek shocked all of the tech world when it released a model that was close to benchmark performance of Claude and others but ran for a fraction of the token cost and cost next to nothing on the development side. It was put together by an algo trading hedge fund who was building it on the side.

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You are truly falling behind if you are not harnessing some of the latest models in AI. I use Grok Bots now for almost full automation of all of my workflows and it's mind blowing just how good they are now.

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Or does that mean your workflows are too simple?

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Well that's why I have all the bots constantly learning from each other and are constantly looking for ways to improve themselves. It's incredibly easy to setup once you understand the hierarchies and prompts.

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Unless you're measuring their worth by lines of code.

In which case they'll just be overly verbose and fill data centers with a "Hello World" binary.

LOYAL AG said:

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Hank the Grifter said:

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Honest question from an "old".
I keep seeing people saying they are "harnessing" AI to help their day to day routines.
What? How?
Can you give concrete examples AND how to leverage the AI to do those things?
My experience with AI is typing questions into ChatGPT.

*Edited to correct fat fingers/auto corrects*

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Last one but this and my other two are representative

Same client has an annual budget requirement. The template is in Excel and has to be populated with current year budget and projected end of year actuals with info hitting several tabs in that Excel workbook. The antiquated accounting system produces PDF docs for YTD actuals and the government system we upload budgets to gives us an approved budget in PDF as well. Claude takes both PDF and fills out the current year budget, extends YTD actuals to approximate end of year final numbers then populates those into the template before applying various rules to create the 2027 budget. Prior years took about 1-1/2 hours each of data entry so for 150+ properties we saved about a month of man hours in data entry.

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Because your sources refused to give you formatted data? Like a simple .csv?

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The thing is no one has an idea of what they are building. There is no definition for "super intelligence" but it sounds fancy.

So people are throwing money because no one wants to be left behind.

It will crash at some point.

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China is known for building ghost cities and basically structures with facades but no bones. Are we convinced China is actually building functional AI facilities or are they empty warehouses made out of cheap crap?

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They look good on the outside. That's all that counts, right?

Hank the Grifter said:

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Honest question from an "old".
I keep seeing people saying they are "harnessing" AI to help their day to day routines.
What? How?
Can you give concrete examples AND how to leverage the AI to do those things?
My experience with AI is typing questions into ChatGPT.

*Edited to correct fat fingers/auto corrects*

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I used it recently to figure out a script created by a coworker who left. Instead of me spending hours trying to figure out this mess of a script I just dropped it into my enterprise Gemini interface and let it figure out what it was doing.

Then I told it what I needed it to do and it spit out a new version.

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China is known for building ghost cities and basically structures with facades but no bones. Are we convinced China is actually building functional AI facilities or are they empty warehouses made out of cheap crap?

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China's private sector has taken a very different approach. Their local hyperscalers (Alibaba, etc.) are selling open source platforms like Qwen and their best stuff comes from smaller, much more efficient, open source products like Moonshot and DeepSeek.

DeepSeek shocked all of the tech world when it released a model that was close to benchmark performance of Claude and others but ran for a fraction of the token cost and cost next to nothing on the development side. It was put together by an algo trading hedge fund who was building it on the side.

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China is cheating their ass off as usual. They are feeding their open weight models chat transcripts from Claude to train them. So if you asked them to do stuff Claude had already figured out it worked great. If you asked it something novel, not so much.

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The thing is no one has an idea of what they are building. There is no definition for "super intelligence" but it sounds fancy.

So people are throwing money because no one wants to be left behind.

It will crash at some point.

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China is known for building ghost cities and basically structures with facades but no bones. Are we convinced China is actually building functional AI facilities or are they empty warehouses made out of cheap crap?

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I'm sure there's a lab somewhere where an AI Fauci is helping them remove protections to build Super Intelligent AI.

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The thing is no one has an idea of what they are building. There is no definition for "super intelligence" but it sounds fancy.

So people are throwing money because no one wants to be left behind.

It will crash at some point.

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China is known for building ghost cities and basically structures with facades but no bones. Are we convinced China is actually building functional AI facilities or are they empty warehouses made out of cheap crap?

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They are using mostly what is being built. They do over build some though because its CCP China The big issue China has is weaker chips. Lots of US Devs also use the Chinese LLMs to reduce costs, via LLM API routers like OpenRouter.

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I have lived in New Mexico for over 30 years. I agree with you about having a "laid back" attitude and understand why that concerns people. Lived in Lincoln County many years and moved to Dona Ana County in 2019. Regarding Project Jupiter, many locals objected to how the County Commission handle the project getting approval. They claimed sufficient due diligence was lacking. I don't have much of opinion either way.

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And I'd bet dollars to donuts those people have zero clue as to what they think "due diligence" should be.

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I would back your bet. If one was able to do an actual, unhindered audit of this state - both government and private. I can't imagine the level of fraud, incompetence, and lack of control they would find.

I'm seriously considering getting involved in the local community to see where I can help people just figure out business 101 stuff.

I used AI to negotiate the price of a new car. AI would tell me what to text the sales person. After three iterations I purchased at a savings of $6,000.

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China is cheating their ass off as usual. They are feeding their open weight models chat transcripts from Claude to train them. So if you asked them to do stuff Claude had already figured out it worked great. If you asked it something novel, not so much.

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I don't disagree, and it begs the larger existential question of all models open or closed "cheating their ass off" by repurposing other people's intellectual property and work output for commercial profit.

But in China's case they have shown the world the OpenAI and Anthropic approach of incredibly capital intensive closed model systems may not make much sense if OpenSource versions can fast follow at a fraction of the cost.

If China can do it, then anyone can do it and corporations are probably going to build their own versions that they can control and monitor that in turn lean on a wide variety of specialist, narrow ai programs like Legal AI or Medical AI etc.

This is basically what the software stack looks like now.

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So if they fall -5% does that mean it went up?

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Dub neg. If I remember my Aggie math correctly…

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You are truly falling behind if you are not harnessing some of the latest models in AI. I use Grok Bots now for almost full automation of all of my workflows and it's mind blowing just how good they are now.

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Or does that mean your workflows are too simple?

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Well that's why I have all the bots constantly learning from each other and are constantly looking for ways to improve themselves. It's incredibly easy to setup once you understand the hierarchies and prompts.

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Unless you're measuring their worth by lines of code.

In which case they'll just be overly verbose and fill data centers with a "Hello World" binary.

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That's most definitely not in there lol

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infinity ag said:

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The thing is no one has an idea of what they are building. There is no definition for "super intelligence" but it sounds fancy.

So people are throwing money because no one wants to be left behind.

It will crash at some point.

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China is known for building ghost cities and basically structures with facades but no bones. Are we convinced China is actually building functional AI facilities or are they empty warehouses made out of cheap crap?

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I am not convinced. China is into image building and posturing. They are obsessed with pretending to be competing with the US.

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I used AI to negotiate the price of a new car. AI would tell me what to text the sales person. After three iterations I purchased at a savings of $6,000.

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I did that last September when I was buying a car. Ultimately it did not work out with that salesman but I did get a better car of same model (more features) for a lower price about a month later.
2 days ago was 1 year of purchase.

I'm not too worried about AI. It can't even do excel calendar math correctly.

Asked it the number of days between 6/30 and 9/7. The answer is 69.

Chinese companies are using American AI frontier models to train their models. It's just a way to copycat and undercut pricing power. Their actual in-house LLM AI development is way behind the US and there's no indication they are actually pursuing the types of AI seriously that Anthropic and OpenAI are.

In fact, this type of llm-based superintelligence that Silicon Valley is obsessed creating with is very much a Silicon Valley thing, born from the rationalist movement. It's a pseudo-religious cult. China's not really buying into this methodology.

They are far more focused on robotics and practical use cases.

It's kind of a myth that we are in a race with China therefore we should give Anthropic and OpenAI more money. China is barely even pursuing the same type of AI that those companies are.