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There are extremes on both ends of the parties.

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The difference is, the extremes on the left control the Democrats.

Why is this slur ok but other racial slurs not ok?

Texaguser17 said:

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Why is this slur ok but other racial slurs not ok?

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Ok to whom?

My use was in jest....using slurs just identifies the morons for you to avoid.

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Martels Hammer said:

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Well I am a nationalist, but not a socialist. So the left should pick a more accurate slur for me I suppose.

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"Cracker" covers it all.

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I admit, I laughed out loud at this....

techno-ag said:

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The Fall Guy said:

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There are extremes on both ends of the parties.

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The difference is, the extremes on the left control the Democrats.

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And leftist extremists are an exponentially larger % of their adherents, some like Bernie Sanders are truly Communistic. Compared to the leadership on the right who condemns those radicals claiming to be on the right.

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Hardcore Greg said:

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I've said before and I'll say again, I have a significant dislike for both the Socialist Totalitarianism of the left and the Theocratic Totalitarianism of the right.

They are no different to me. Both seek to rule and oppress through the heavy hand of an armed government. **** all of them.

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Sorry, I could not have any less respect for anyone who believes mentally ill men belong in my daughter's sports, showers or locker rooms. Or that pretends to have trouble with defining what a woman is. I genuinely respect neo-nazis more, and see them as less of a threat to me and my family. And I don't respect neo-nazis, but everything is relative.

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Please point to where I said that I agreed with that *****

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I never meant to imply that you did. You equated the two, I simply made the point that I think the modern left is even worse and more insane.

I would actually probably agree with a neo-nazi on a lot of things, maybe to a lesser degree. Like, I bet they are are against widescale H-1B policy and it's abuse.

I am not sure I would agree with a modern leftist on ANY policy positions.

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I laid out exactly how they are alike. It's very simple. The end goal is exactly the same. Oppressive, authoritarian government.

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You said they are "no different" to you. I respect that, i was just offering my opinion, which is a little different. It's a message board with free discourse. Just meant it to highlight how insanely awful and repugnant I find the modern left to be. Genuinely insane.

Nazi supporters in the US see in their present circumstances that their government is implementing policies that very often are against their own citizens' interests.

They then look back in history for the last major nation that visibly put its citizens' interests first, and they arrive at Nazi Germany. Hitler was all about the visible signs of putting Germans first, with territorial gains (to undo the humiliation of Versailles via taking back their gains from Brest-Litovsk), massive public works expenditures, and racial preference codified into law.

But none of that was truly in the Germans' best interests. Maybe it looks good on paper, but unprovoked war is wrong. The Holocaust was wrong. And evidence points to Hitler actually nearly bankrupting the state prior to the outbreak of war. Not good.

The reality is that the best thing for the German people back then was returning to Christianity. Too bad the Nazis were pretty much atheists. Christianity is the only thing that will save our nation here in the present day

Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Nazi supporters in the US see in their present circumstances that their government is implementing policies that very often are against their own citizens' interests.

They then look back in history for the last major nation that visibly put its citizens' interests first, and they arrive at Nazi Germany. Hitler was all about the visible signs of putting Germans first, with territorial gains (to undo the humiliation of Versailles via taking back their gains from Brest-Litovsk), massive public works expenditures, and racial preference codified into law.

But none of that was truly in the Germans' best interests. Maybe it looks good on paper, but unprovoked war is wrong. The Holocaust was wrong. And evidence points to Hitler actually nearly bankrupting the state prior to the outbreak of war. Not good.

The reality is that the best thing for the German people back then was returning to Christianity. Too bad the Nazis were pretty much atheists. Christianity is the only thing that will save our nation here in the present day

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Really going out on a limb there, aren't ya?

I think they have to rationalize the Holocaust because they've already decided the Nazis were "based" overall. That line of thinking spawns so much idiocy.

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The Nazis are all in the democrat party. You can recognize Nazis as the ones that want gun control, centralized government control, ethnic cleansing/abortion, rigged elections, rampant corruption and total media control for propaganda purposes.

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Rigged elections, LOL!

Is this the Tucker Carlson wing? The ones supporting El Sayed?

Mostly astroturf.

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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Nazis were what we would call left leaning in today's terminology.

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That's a bit of an oversimplification. Hitler's view of and definition of socialism was drastically different from how we define it or how it's defined as pertaining to Marxism/Communism (which Hitler despised). Some examples:


"In essence, the noblest nationalism is nothing other than refined socialism, just as socialism can be nothing other than nationalism, namely faithful devotion to the totality of one's own people."

-Speech at a Nazi Party meeting in Rodenkirchen, May 24, 1932.



"Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists."

-As recorded in a 1923 Interview with Adolf Hitler.

(Definition of weal is "a state of well-being and prosperity")



"Socialism does not repudiate private property. Socialism involves no negation of personality. Socialism is patriotic."

-From a 1932 interview with George Sylvester Viereck on the Nazi form of socialism.

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Political commentor Erick Erickson (right leaning)

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And I'll follow this up with the reality that Erickson is buddy buddy with the notorious former conservative with a debilitating case of TDS we know as David French.

So the OP's premise is basically just another round of TDS afflicted fan fiction written wearing a "conservative" cloak to generate clicks from braindead leftists and offer another talking point about some non-existent problem with Trump/the right.

Can we please stop with this trope? It's lazy, insulting, and, frankly, really tired.

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Really just an extension of the Lincoln Project/Bush/Cornyn wing of fake republicans.

The easy way to say this is that the post WWII international order, or perhaps the post-Cold War order (they're intimately related) has been a mixed bag for the US. That's what President Trump keeps pointing out when he says we're getting a "bad deal". We traded ensuring open maritime lanes and being able to write other's defense policy for access to our markets. That was rational to oppose the Soviets, but irrational today.

So these people aren't post-liberal, they are anti-post-1965 policy.

What do you go back to? Well, "WWII was a disaster for the US" or "the wrong side won WWII".

I think the post 1965 critique lands, but the pro-Germany stance is silly. If you really want to explore some interesting counterfactuals tho, possibly the wrong side won World War I. That is a much more interesting (and palatable) line of inquiry.

Same concept, yes.

techno-ag said:

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The Fall Guy said:

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There are extremes on both ends of the parties.

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The difference is, the extremes on the left control the Democrats.

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And the extreme left control universities, media, parts of the government, and boardrooms through HR.

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he cooked with this one

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This is ultimately a spiritual problem rather than a political one. Inside the church, Satan spreads kinism, racism, and ethno-nationalism, and he does it by telling frightened men that their blood is their birthright.

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I remember someone here claiming his church and men's group were loudly proclaiming anger at Israel. And while claiming the anger was the government; there was a clear anti-Semitic streak in the language. I pray for that TexAgger and that church

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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Nazis were what we would call left leaning in today's terminology.

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Yes. National (Democratic) Socialists.

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Lance Uppercut said:

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Do most neo-Nazis marry and have children with Indian-American women, or is that just part of Vance's deep cover operation?

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vance himself is not a neo-nazi, he just winks at them from time to time in keeping with the "no enemies to the right" ethos he shares with his contemporaries.

the actual neo-nazis hate vance for this, of course. fuentes called him a "fat, gay race traitor who married a j**t." they tolerate vance because he's the closest thing they have to a sympathetic ear in a position of power. each will happily dispose of the other the moment this tenuous alliance ceases to serve their respective ambitions.

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Political commentor Erick Erickson (right leaning) for the past few days has been exposing the growing ultra right wing movement in conservative political circles and is taking flak for it.

https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/the-midwestern-fuhrerbunker-driving

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A group of white guys have subtly inserted themselves into conservative institutions and church organizations. They all embrace racial grievances. To varying degrees, they embrace white nationalism, antisemitism, and even Nazi sympathies. They are getting added to conservative institutional boards, attempting to purge churches, and are desperate to indoctrinate young conservatives into fascist ideology. They even surround the Vice President of the United States. Some of them believe the United States is at a tipping point, and they want to push it over the edge and rebuild it in their image. You might think it does not affect you, but, in time, you will see their efforts in your church pews, in your kids' brains, and in your politicians' mouths. It begins with shampoo.
Charles Haywood made his fortune selling shampoo. He sold his Indianapolis hair care company in 2020, and he has spent the years since writing out, at length and under his own name, what he would like to do with your country. Rod Dreher, who is no man of the left, read Haywood's online ramblings and described Haywood as pouring out vile from "deep in his Midwestern Fhrerbunker".
In a document he calls the Foundationalist Manifesto, Haywood explained that his preferred government "will not be democratic." The state "will have unlimited means," because "properly viewed, the state is not constrained externally." Women "will not be permitted to choose career over family." Men "will not be permitted to choose not to have a family." The state will seize the assets of "any citizen who views himself as a global citizen.

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Much of the racism, antisemitism, and Nazi sympathies growing on the right are interconnected. Let me explain how. pic.twitter.com/bG4ZtcLKnG

— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) September 16, 2026

He is also linking VP Vance to this

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Vice President Vance has refused to distance himself from the groyper movement and will not forcefully denounce the antisemites. Rod Dreher, who had been his friend and an early champion of his memoir, went to him last fall and urged him to draw that line. Dreher says Vance cut him off and the friendship is over. Unfortunately, the Vice President keeps all of it within arm's reach. Haywood's foundation is a recurring funder of American Moment, the staffing pipeline founded in 2021 with Vance's support, which exists to place young conservatives in administration jobs. Vance has identified himself with the postliberal right on a stage with Patrick Deneen and Kevin Roberts, and told that audience there is no meaningful distinction between the public and the private sector in the American regime. That is not a slip of the tongue. He believes it.

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Erickson is in the Dave French camp of "right wing Christian commentators" that I don't listen to.

Gonna correct you.

They are both Theocratic. It's a matter of who the Theo is. Both are tyrannical.

Lance Uppercut said:

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Do most neo-Nazis marry and have children with Indian-American women, or is that just part of Vance's deep cover operation?

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Well Indians are still Aryan and they like Swastikas

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I don't think Vance will drop the neo Nazis- he seems to think that they are a big, growing voting block and that he therefore needs their support to further his career.

The most likely outcome imo will be that Vance loses his next election due to his naivete, and the neo Nazis will then drop him like Andy dropped Woody in Toy Story. They'll probably say Vance wasn't sufficiently committed to their cause and repeat Fuentes's idiocy

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Gonna correct you.

They are both Theocratic. It's a matter of who the Theo is. Both are tyrannical.

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I understand what you're saying, but we have to keep the discussion with the realm of secular definitions for the general public.

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The woke right and the DSA are opposite sides of the same political coin, but both have the same ideological goals of imposing their version of a totalitarian state, and eliminating Israel and Jewish people.

The DSA is close to taking over the Democrat Party and are the real threat to this country.

The knuckle draggers of the woke right are a bunch of loudmouths online and little else. Heck, many of their so called leaders like Tucker and Fuentes are openly supporting the DSA.

This sounds like the 90s tactic of trying to hang David Duke around the neck of every Republican.

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Simple thought experiment that disproves this "different sides of same totalitarian coin" nonsense:

The "far right" would easily take the system of government installed by our founding fathers right now. The "far right" just wishes we could go back to how things were at the founding of the country.

The left wants to do destroy everything about the founding of this country. In fact, destroying the country is the purpose of their existence.

I find myself increasingly frustrated by the casual invocation of the term "NAZI" without genuine comprehension of its historical significance. My father and uncles engaged in direct combat against actual Nazis during World War II. My father personally participated in the liberation of one of the concentration camps and possessed firsthand knowledge of what Nazism truly represented. Additionally, a neighbor who worshipped at our church was an active member of the White Rose resistance movement, courageously opposing the Nazi regime. She endured profound personal losses, including the deaths of her parents and husband at the hands of the Nazis. The contemporary practice of deploying the term "Nazi" in conservative movement discourse constitutes a profound disrespect to the generation of my father, whose members made extraordinary sacrifices and gave their lives to defeat genuine Nazism.

If you're ostensibly on the right and you have an issue with the positions of the people you consider "far right," the problem you run in to is you're now essentially a leftist arguing against the founding principles of the country.

People labeled "Nazis" in today's political climate are far more closely aligned (if not in lockstep) with our founding fathers, while normie cons are far closer to modern leftists than to the founders.

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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As far as I can tell, the ONLY reason the Nazi party was identified as "right" wing (whatever the hell that means*) is because they fought against Communists. It wasn't because their ideas were substantially different, it was because either they were in each others' way in terms of a power struggle, or, in the case of Nazi German and the Communist Soviet Union, they were trying to destroy each other.

The only other reason is that the left wants to dishonestly paint conservatives with a Hitler brush.

*"Right Wing" or more accurately conservative, extremism doesn't make sense unless you can show a government or group of people who are forcing others into compelled free speech (an oxymoron), compelled gun ownership and excessive expression of 2nd Amendment-type rights, compelled limited government and/or low tax rates, and excessive personal freedom. Show me any such dictatorial government in history with those principles and I'll start to engage in "right wing extremism" discussion.

The Vance discourse is hilarious. People this board would consider Nazis already hate Vance.

He's a puppet of rich gay Jews and he had a Hindu wedding in India. He was a borderline libertarian anti-Trump guy who said people hate Obama because they're jealous and racist. Now he's become a chameleon to try to go with the political winds.

He's as fake a candidate as there has ever been and he does not have any support among the far right.

It's just amazing how you completely ignore the transgressions in your party and have so much to say on the party you oppose.