I think it's too easily being just labeled a case of being a "bad QB". When the full body of work is looked at we have a guy that over the last 6ish games he's played has steadily regressed. That stinks of very poor development and coaching. You don't regress like that in any normal situation without poor coaching development and/or an offensive system that doesn't fit the skill set that the QB is not comfortable with.

There's too many factors here for it to just be written off as a case of Marcell is not good. We've seen him good. Really good at times. If he was just bad he would have always been bad. Combine this regression with the mind starts spiraling negatively we are in desperate need of some mentorship to get his mind right.

Simplify things early to get quick positive movement.

Do what he does best, get his legs involved early.

Stop trying to prove he's a 5 step drop back pocket passer.

If Marcell can get his brain moving in the positive direction I think we start to see good Marcell again.

For some reason we have a long history of A&M coaches trying to make pocket passers runners, and runners become pocket passers.

Who is Marcell ??

He needs to give up the pocket passer concept because it's not working and won't get him to the NFL. Winning is his only chance, so he needs to utilize his legs and his grit.

Grind out some hard earned yards and get rid of the yips.

Bill Superman said:

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He needs to give up the pocket passer concept because it's not working and won't get him to the NFL. Winning is his only chance, so he needs to utilize his legs and his grit.

Grind out some hard earned yards and get rid of the yips.

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Yes and the quote from Elko I think it was during the radio show about balancing staying healthy and him running is idiotic.

A healthy Reed at the end of a 7-5 season doesn't make anyone feel any better. It's football. Terry basically blew out his knee in a non contact situation. You can't play or call plays scared of getting hurt.

Why run the zone read when everyone knows it is just going to be a handoff? If Reed would start pulling it some, run defense becomes harder.

ETA, Reeds strength is running. If Elko is afraid to run him, play Hart and Casuga and pick the best.

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Why run the zone read when everyone knows it is just going to be a handoff? If Reed would start pulling it some, run defense becomes harder.

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The two games he consistently did vs. LSU when he came off the bench and vs. Florida on the road in his first full start, the offense was basically not stoppable.

So good thing our OC's changed it up, that was too easy.

The amount of mental gymnastics people continue to use to explain why Reed is better than his play is astounding.

Yes he's a nice guy and a good teammate but he doesnt have an nfl frame, doesn't see the field well, isn't an accurate passer and struggles with interceptions. That's just who he is.

I think we all want to win, I'm not rooting against him or the Ags, never will and I don't think any fans are but the truth is the truth.

Reed isn't a good enough runner to base an offense around that. He's a good open field scrambler once he gets out of the box, but other than that he struggles in the run game just like he does in the passing game. His decision-making and field vision issues don't just magically go away if we run him.

You of course are dumbing it down quite a bit. He's had plenty of games where he looked excellent. To not see that there's been a consistent steady regression over the last 6ish games is just ignoring the facts of the matter.

If I have an employee at work who's done a great job before and over the last 6 months there's been a steady decline, I start looking at what's going on in the surroundings first.

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Who is Marcell ??

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I gave him an extra L for last week...

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The fanbase is finally turning the page.

The reason for his regression is entirely explainable. Have you ever seen an NFL game where the backup with little experience comes in and has success for a game or two? But after a couple of games opposing defenses begin to chart his strengths and weaknesses and tendencies and develop gameplans to stop him.

This is what has happened to Marcel. His strengths and weaknesses are well documented by now and he's being schemed against where his limitations have our offense sputtering.

Bill Superman said:

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He needs to give up the pocket passer concept because it's not working and won't get him to the NFL. Winning is his only chance, so he needs to utilize his legs and his grit.

Grind out some hard earned yards and get rid of the yips.

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Everybody keeps saying this, but his most devastatingly bad throw was outside of the pocket. If he is not a pocket passer and not an effective passer outside of the pocket, maybe he can run the wishbone, but I think he is too small for that.

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Bill Superman said:

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He needs to give up the pocket passer concept because it's not working and won't get him to the NFL. Winning is his only chance, so he needs to utilize his legs and his grit.

Grind out some hard earned yards and get rid of the yips.

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Everybody keeps saying this, but his most devastatingly bad throw was outside of the pocket. If he is not a pocket passer and not an effective passer outside of the pocket, maybe he can run the wishbone, but I think he is too small for that.

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Rolling against his body left when the game was over and just throwing it up. When you need a miracle and have to hope for one I don't look at that in the standard body of work. The throw was terrible. Did anything really matter at that point? No. Quite often out of reach football games end in ugly passes for interceptions.

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Reed isn't a good enough runner to base an offense around that. He's a good open field scrambler once he gets out of the box, but other than that he struggles in the run game just like he does in the passing game. His decision-making and field vision issues don't just magically go away if we run him.

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I agree. He's good running in limited situations only and that should definitely include at least 2 or 3 keeps on the zone read in a game. That alone could have had huge implications in short yardage situations. I'm inclined to believe we got too enamored with our playmaking potential at receiver and are too focused on explosive plays in the passing game. If they don't focus on getting into an offensive rhythm and sustaining drives with simpler throws and running the ball this weekend they're asking for it.

Reed has been durable and has taken some hits. Turn him loose in the run game. If he objects, sit him.

I don't think anyone is thinking (and maybe it's not being explained properly) he needs to go to full time runner. 5-6 keeps on the zone read per game would do wonders for opening everything else up. Our version of the zone read has just become a straight handoff even with outside contain crashing down.

Gyles Marrett said:

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Frank Grimes said:

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Bill Superman said:

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He needs to give up the pocket passer concept because it's not working and won't get him to the NFL. Winning is his only chance, so he needs to utilize his legs and his grit.

Grind out some hard earned yards and get rid of the yips.

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Everybody keeps saying this, but his most devastatingly bad throw was outside of the pocket. If he is not a pocket passer and not an effective passer outside of the pocket, maybe he can run the wishbone, but I think he is too small for that.

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Rolling against his body left when the game was over and just throwing it up. When you need a miracle and have to hope for one I don't look at that in the standard body of work. The throw was terrible. Did anything really matter at that point? No. Quite often out of reach football games end in ugly passes for interceptions.

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I think he's talking about the fourth down when he threw a 5 yard dirtball he threw to a wide open guy, rolling to the right. Explain that one.

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Gyles Marrett said:

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Frank Grimes said:

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Bill Superman said:

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He needs to give up the pocket passer concept because it's not working and won't get him to the NFL. Winning is his only chance, so he needs to utilize his legs and his grit.

Grind out some hard earned yards and get rid of the yips.

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Everybody keeps saying this, but his most devastatingly bad throw was outside of the pocket. If he is not a pocket passer and not an effective passer outside of the pocket, maybe he can run the wishbone, but I think he is too small for that.

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Rolling against his body left when the game was over and just throwing it up. When you need a miracle and have to hope for one I don't look at that in the standard body of work. The throw was terrible. Did anything really matter at that point? No. Quite often out of reach football games end in ugly passes for interceptions.

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I think he's talking about the fourth down when he threw a 5 yard dirtball he threw to a wide open guy, rolling to the right. Explain that one.

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Gotcha. Yeah I'd 100% say that wasn't a lack of skill seeing as how a lot of 50 year old alcoholics could make that throw. Complete brain short circuit yips is what that looked like...which goes back to my original point. The guy is a complete mental mess currently.

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The amount of mental gymnastics people continue to use to explain why Reed is better than his play is astounding.

Yes he's a nice guy and a good teammate but he doesnt have an nfl frame, doesn't see the field well, isn't an accurate passer and struggles with interceptions. That's just who he is.

I think we all want to win, I'm not rooting against him or the Ags, never will and I don't think any fans are but the truth is the truth.

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spot on!

Gyles Marrett said:

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You of course are dumbing it down quite a bit. He's had plenty of games where he looked excellent. To not see that there's been a consistent steady regression over the last 6ish games is just ignoring the facts of the matter.

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Against bad non conference teams and last year against the bottom 5 of the SEC. Didn't face the top 3 SEC teams, and was bad when it mattered most (t.u., Miami).

I recall 1 maybe 2 ugh throws vs Miami...on a terribly windy day where the QB on the other side who led them to a national title also struggled. And a DL on both sides that caused havoc all day. I thought our play calling was God awful that day....as well as the play calling in the second half vs. Texas.

I would like to know what checks Marcel has made at the line. I do sense he's not good at getting us in a better play or if he even has the freedom to do so.

Reed was good against ND and LSU last year