Nazis in the Conservative Movement

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IndividualFreedom
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What is a historical example of "far right wing?"

Well traditionally that would be Anarchy/Martial Law but the left has co-opted that stance in some morphed way to include an all encompassing Govt. presence.

It is hard to suggest that Nazis were "Far Right" in American politics because they were the govt. and our so called Far-Right is against Govt. completely. Using their argument in American politics, one would have to say the Nazis were a far left fascist group. Of course F16 knows this. Just saying in case some fence riding kid in the dorm reads this and plans to vote for Talarico

The enemy of this nation's debate on this makes no darn sense.

Here is what Grok has to say:

The term "far right" is used inconsistently. Media, academics, and activists often apply it to anything from actual neo-Nazis to ordinary conservatives who want lower immigration or traditional social norms. That blurring makes lists of "far-right bad things" easy to inflate. The clearest, least-contested examples involve explicit ethnonationalist, fascist, or neo-Nazi movements that used violence, dictatorship, or genocide.
Historical cases that fit the label
  • Nazi Germany (19331945): Racial hierarchy, aggressive war, and the Holocaust. The regime murdered six million Jews plus millions of others (Roma, disabled people, political opponents, Slavs) in a systematic industrial program. This is the archetype most people mean by "far-right" totalitarianism.
  • Fascist Italy under Mussolini: One-party state, suppression of opposition, imperial wars in Ethiopia and the Balkans, and alignment with Hitler. Less genocidal than Nazism but still authoritarian and expansionist.
  • Other 20th-century nationalist-authoritarian regimes sometimes grouped with the far right: Franco's Spain (after the Civil War), various interwar movements in Eastern Europe, and later juntas that combined nationalism with anti-communism and repression.
These were not "small-government conservatives." They were collectivist, statist, and often socialist in economic practice while being racially or nationally exclusionary.
Post-1945 and contemporary violence
Smaller groups and lone actors have continued the pattern:
  • Neo-Nazi and white-nationalist organizations (Aryan Nations, National Alliance, later Atomwaffen Division, The Base, and similar networks) have produced murders, bomb plots, and propaganda calling for race war.
  • High-profile attacks explicitly tied to those ideas include the 2011 Norway attacks (Anders Behring Breivik), the 2015 Charleston church shooting, the 2019 Christchurch mosque shootings, the 2019 El Paso Walmart shooting, and the 2022 Buffalo supermarket shooting. Perpetrators typically cited replacement theory, anti-immigration manifestos, or neo-Nazi texts.
  • The Ku Klux Klan and its successors carried out lynchings, bombings, and intimidation for decades after Reconstruction; later incarnations were smaller but still violent.
January 6, 2021, is frequently cited as a far-right event. It was a riot that included assaults on police and an attempt to disrupt certification of an election. Characterizing the entire crowd or the broader political movement as "far right" is disputed; many participants were ordinary Trump voters, while a minority came from explicit nationalist or militia groups.
What the label often does not accurately describe
Opposition to high immigration, criticism of DEI programs, support for border enforcement, or traditional views on family and sex are routinely called "far right" by opponents. Those positions have been mainstream in most countries for most of history and do not require endorsing dictatorship or racial hierarchy. Conflating them with Nazism or race-war terrorism is a rhetorical move, not a precise description.
Far-right violence exists and has produced real victims. It is also numerically smaller than the body count of 20th-century communist regimes, and in recent U.S. data it is not the dominant source of domestic terrorism in every year. Accuracy requires keeping the term attached to actual authoritarian-nationalist or racial-supremacist actors rather than using it as a catch-all for anyone to the right of the current media consensus.
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GeorgiAg said:

What is a historical example of "far right wing?"

Seems like everything that has ever been bad is characterized as left wing.


I mean, If they can call Nazism left-wing, there's no rule for it at that point other than "me call bad thing left-wing".
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Lying about the nazi salutes again? I thought BlueAnon was done with that?
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IndividualFreedom said:

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What is a historical example of "far right wing?"


  • Nazi Germany (19331945): Racial hierarchy, aggressive war, and the Holocaust. The regime murdered six million Jews plus millions of others (Roma, disabled people, political opponents, Slavs) in a systematic industrial program. This is the archetype most people mean by "far-right" totalitarianism.


National Socialist policies are all rooted in Marxism and the industrial program was socialist in every way. Hitler was even a member of the Communist Bavarian Soviet Republic in 1919.

He often quoted and cited Karl Marx, its just that he disagreed with how to deal with the "jewish bankers".

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Silent For Too Long said:

Rapier108 said:

Old McDonald said:

ts5641 said:

Nazi's aren't right wing. Calling them right wing is a construct of the left to associate Nazi's with conservatives.

this is perhaps the most inane revisionist history cope ever conceived by the right

You're flat out lying.

Nazis stands for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or in English, National Socialist German Workers' Party.

They were left wing in nearly everything except when Hitler needed to promote nationalism to gain support from the last remaining groups that hadn't rolled over, mostly the military. All of the groups which had previously supported the communists, workers, teachers, unemployed, etc. had already switched their allegiance to the Nazis. The teachers/academics were the first to fold.

Being "nationalist" does not make them "right wing."


Exactly.

In the 50s all the marxists in academia had a real problem on their hands. The three most prominent examples of marxism, Germany, Russia and China, had turned out absolutely horrible.

So they burried any discussion of two of them while recasting the Germans as "right wing."




Whats free market and limited government about the Third Reich policies below?

No Personal Property Rights
Universal "Free" Health Care
"Free" Public Government Run Education
Gun Registration and Confiscation
Government Managed Economies
Government Promised Equality For All (except the current "bad evil people")
Wage Controls
Limited or No Free Speech
Prisons for persons of a different political party
It Takes a Village
Death Camps
Restricted Travel

When you actually look at what they DO, SAY, and WRITE its hard to tell the difference between leftists and Nazi Germany.

Socialist in US, France, and UK in the 30's agree with me, you can read what many wrote.
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nomad2007 said:

GeorgiAg said:

What is a historical example of "far right wing?"

Seems like everything that has ever been bad is characterized as left wing.


I mean, If they can call Nazism left-wing, there's no rule for it at that point other than "me call bad thing left-wing".


Go read the Nazis party platform.

The were socialists in every way.
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Yep, he loved them so much the communists were the first sent to dachau.
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EFR said:

Yep, he loved them so much the communists were the first sent to dachau.


Thats how the left always operates. As soon as they come to power their adjacent comrades are the first in the box cars.

Read a history book.
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What about Eric Rudolph? Another left wing killer?
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What point are you trying to make?

Yes, there are radicals on the rght as well. Happy?

Your radicals are in control of your party.
EFR
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You asked for Americans, as Franco (who has been strongly praised on this board) and Pinochet don't count for right wing violence apparently.
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GeorgiAg said:

Political commentor Erick Erickson (right leaning) for the past few days has been exposing the growing ultra right wing movement in conservative political circles and is taking flak for it.

As he should because it is bull*****
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I've learned from schmendeler today that an awkward wave is definitively a nazis salute, no questions asked, 100%, but the DSA openly bragging about its love for marxism doesn't really mean they are marxists.
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EFR said:

Yep, he loved them so much the communists were the first sent to dachau.

a) Many were Jewish
b) The rest were political opponents

He didn't dislike socialism.
You can turn off signatures, btw
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EFR said:

Yep, he loved them so much the communists were the first sent to dachau.

The communists were the only political party in the Weimar Republic who posed a threat to the Nazis.

The commies had the money, numbers, and organization, plus the backing of the Soviet Union, thus making them the only threat to the Nazis. Hitler had to crush them first to ensure power, not because he hated socialism.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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I think the Elon salute is being overblown. How do you emphatically wave at a crowd and not get called a Nazi ?
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National Socialist policies are all rooted in Marxism and the industrial program was socialist in every way. Hitler was even a member of the Communist Bavarian Soviet Republic in 1919.

He often quoted and cited Karl Marx, it's just that he disagreed with how to deal with the "jewish bankers".


Where do y'all even come up with this stuff?

Hitler was never a member of any communist party. Ever. He despised Marxism and Karl Marx.

He lived and served in the military in Bavaria when it was briefly run by a communist regime. And in its previous republic. And for the imperial government before that.
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I honestly think they get hung up on the name. To some it says Socialist so it must be. Of course logical people know this not to be true, but when it fits the narrative and it is all you have to go with you play the cards you are dealt.
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Keyno said:

I have no idea who Charles Haywood even is but I think we can all agree that universal suffrage/women voting is an absolute nightmare. Our Founding Fathers were explicitly against it. Are we to the point of calling our Founding Fathers nazis?.

No. We can't all agree with that drivel.
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GeorgiAg said:

I think the Elon salute is being overblown. How do you emphatically wave at a crowd and not get called a Nazi ?



On the other hand, Walz goose stepping is well documented.
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EFR said:

I honestly think they get hung up on the name. To some it says Socialist so it must be.
Their name was literally National Socialists.
Who am I going to believe? You or them?
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
EFR
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North Korea has "Democratic" in their name, do you think they are a democracy?
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EFR said:

North Korea has "Democratic" in their name, do you think they are a democracy?
if you showed me a country with communist or socialist in the name, but it actually wasn't, then you'd have a valid analogy.
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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nomad2007 said:

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National Socialist policies are all rooted in Marxism and the industrial program was socialist in every way. Hitler was even a member of the Communist Bavarian Soviet Republic in 1919.

He often quoted and cited Karl Marx, it's just that he disagreed with how to deal with the "jewish bankers".


Where do y'all even come up with this stuff?

Hitler was never a member of any communist party. Ever. He despised Marxism and Karl Marx.

He lived and served in the military in Bavaria when it was briefly run by a communist regime. And in its previous republic. And for the imperial government before that.

How could you not know this?


There is photographic, video and contemporary reports of Adolf Hitler being elected into the Socialist Bavarian People's State and the Communist Bavarian Soviet Republic. While historians have acknowledged that this happened,


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Socialism, Marxism, National Socialist, and Communist are all on the same side of the coin. They are all leftist in policies and actions.

They have some differences and they hate each other. Progressives need to own it.

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How could you not know this?


There is photographic, video and contemporary reports of Adolf Hitler being elected into the Socialist Bavarian People's State and the Communist Bavarian Soviet Republic. While historians have acknowledged that this happened,


There's NO evidence of Hitler holding any political office. To say there is is objectively false. He was elected as a representative of his military unit. That is not a political position. You're obfuscating the truth to fit revisionism, which is typical.
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Vessel said:

Rapier108 said:

The woke right and the DSA are opposite sides of the same political coin, but both have the same ideological goals of imposing their version of a totalitarian state, and eliminating Israel and Jewish people.

The DSA is close to taking over the Democrat Party and are the real threat to this country.

The knuckle draggers of the woke right are a bunch of loudmouths online and little else. Heck, many of their so called leaders like Tucker and Fuentes are openly supporting the DSA.

This sounds like the 90s tactic of trying to hang David Duke around the neck of every Republican.


Simple thought experiment that disproves this "different sides of same totalitarian coin" nonsense:

The "far right" would easily take the system of government installed by our founding fathers right now. The "far right" just wishes we could go back to how things were at the founding of the country.

The left wants to do destroy everything about the founding of this country. In fact, destroying the country is the purpose of their existence.

All the things that made us a nation in 1776 are what we should embrace today? Really?!? Wow.
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Gigem314 said:

So JD Vance is linked to nazism, but a Democrat candidate with an actual nazi tattoo and abusive history is totally not connected to nazism because it's only a right-wing thing.

Seems legit.


This was the first thing I thought of when I read this garbage….

Libs gonna be libs…..
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The Nazi's were socialists…. Dems use the term and have a wing of their party called the Democrat Socialists…. A recent poll came out and said 59% of dems recognize as socialists….

But yeah, it's the right wing, conservatives that are Nazi's. And Vance is connected to them….

My gosh…. The insanity and idiocy.
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I'd settle for pre 1965. Is that too radical for you?
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EFR said:

I honestly think they get hung up on the name. To some it says Socialist so it must be. Of course logical people know this not to be true, but when it fits the narrative and it is all you have to go with you play the cards you are dealt.


Logical people who can't take 5 seconds to read the NAZI platform that has already been posted in this very thread?

Their platform was explicitly socialist. Go read it yourself.
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Silent For Too Long said:

EFR said:

I honestly think they get hung up on the name. To some it says Socialist so it must be. Of course logical people know this not to be true, but when it fits the narrative and it is all you have to go with you play the cards you are dealt.


Logical people who can't take 5 seconds to read the NAZI platform that has already been posted in this very thread?

Their platform was explicitly socialist. Go read it yourself.


Really? Look up their 25-point plan and find out which ones they actually accomplished or even tried to accomplish. They didn't even attempt, and definitely never accomplished, any of the anti-capitalist portions of the plan. None.

They were a right-wing party that did whatever it took to take complete control of the state.
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nomad2007 said:

Silent For Too Long said:

EFR said:

I honestly think they get hung up on the name. To some it says Socialist so it must be. Of course logical people know this not to be true, but when it fits the narrative and it is all you have to go with you play the cards you are dealt.


Logical people who can't take 5 seconds to read the NAZI platform that has already been posted in this very thread?

Their platform was explicitly socialist. Go read it yourself.


Really? Look up their 25-point plan and find out which ones they actually accomplished or even tried to accomplish. They didn't even attempt, and definitely never accomplished, any of the anti-capitalist portions of the plan. None.

They were a right-wing party that did whatever it took to take complete control of the state.

The Nazi's were right wing? They were so anti liberty they killed anyone opposing them. They stifled free speech and confiscated weapons. They basically did everything the right wing opposes and the left embraces.

But they're right wing.


The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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To some on this board, there is no such thing as being too far right wing.
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GeorgiAg said:

To some on this board, there is no such thing as being too far right wing.

What is too far right wing? Stopping the ridiculous immigration spigot and telling the LGBTQ crowd they can't do their weird **** in public?

Because that's about as far right wing as is anything significant in this country and on this board. Even to 99.99% on this board, resetting all our laws to the same laws we had in 1910 is too far.
 
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