Josh Howerton is preparing to run for office. Big publicity push the last 6 months.

Also, not to be pedantic, but there are at least 4 white kids sitting amongst the group in that picture.

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Did you miss the 20 page thread?

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It's up to 30 pages now.

Maybe if we try hard we can have 30 threads about the same picture?

All this talk of large groups of people with similar interests sitting together at football games makes me wonder why there is no one complaining about group ticket pull at Texas A&M.

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Also, not to be pedantic, but there are at least 4 white kids sitting amongst the group in that picture.

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You are absolutely right. Don't let anyone here gaslight you into their hateful, illogical, word salad.

I love that he's getting involved in the culture. He could be one of the great voices of Christian conservatives in this country.

BigRobSA said:

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No idea who that guy is.

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You should look him up. He's a pastor of a megachurch in Rockwall, but really has his finger on the pulse of Christian and conservative conflict in the culture.

Yesterday said:

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Did you miss the 20 page thread?

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No. I did not want this to get buried 20 pages deep.

I dunno when you went to college but this was common 20-30 years ago. Asians, blacks, and whites all stuck to their Greek family. There was the occasional interloper but for the most part the groups thumbed their nose at giving a bid to a different ethnicity, especially so for the top Greek houses. I'll say this too, many of the Indians then were already 2nd and 3rd gen Americans. I was a science major and can't recall a single fresh of the boat 1st gen.

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Look at that photo and think about it a little longer. Saying they're all 2nd and 3rd generation makes it worse; they are clearly not integrated. The picture says it all, there are no white guys (nor black for that matter) in that group. They prefer their ingroup and don't hang out with other ethnicities. Sure looks likes they're replacing, not integrating

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Why are they forced to have token white people interspersed in any of their social outings, and why does anyone keep pretending this is some kind of valid observation? I knew Indian people that went places with other Indian people and then married white people and had children together. Nobody has to make sure they match the racial makeup of the Captain Planet crew before stepping outside.

And then after being told that this wasn't a group of illegal immigrants, it's also goofy to pretend that seeing a photograph of some people and then being like "well, it wasn't even about those kids, it's about some other people that look like them" is a good way to have an immigration discussion or that it isn't insulting to some people that simply decided to watch a football game. It would be like someone writing an article that says "America has a problem with racists" and showing a photo of a white guy. I bet the same people saying the photo is actually about a wider discussion wouldn't brush that off as "well, they could be talking about anyone".

The other thread devolved into people claiming people of Indian descent can't be Americans based on the term's being coined at a time when the US population was 90% white compared to under 60% now and then multiple variations of gatekeeping the racial purity of the word "American". It wasn't a reasoned argument on the legitimacy of more regulated immigration policy, it was people piling on about what they don't like about certain types of other people.

Even if you believe all of those assertions, you would think based on practicality alone that a person running for office in a state as diverse as Texas (under 40% non-Hispanic white) wouldn't want to be the lightning rod for that crowd and their arguments. Especially if you're running for RAILROAD COMMISSIONER. You've taken an elected position that's been solidly Republican and assigned a voting issue to that race that has nothing to do with the responsibilities of the appointment.

Railroad commissioner has been as close to a sure thing as it gets for an election in Texas, and now we have this swirling around. The post is so off most peoples' radar that it may not matter, but why mess with that by finding a way to put it on the radar for reasons that have nothing to do with oil and gas regulation? This kind of clumsy comparison or the repeated assertions on the other thread that "America is for the whites" will eventually get you Democrat politicians, and Democrat politicians will get you more "immigration" like we saw under Biden. I'm guessing a lot of people here don't want that.

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And to your last point, when these intelligent, hard working Americans climb the ladder and wind up in a position to hire, who do you think they'll prefer? The data is very clear on this, Indians have a massive in-group bias when it comes to hiring. They're going to H1B another 20 of their own, even if they've never been to their homeland

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Extrapolating an argument about H1B regulation from a photo of 10 people watching football isn't the best way to get politicians elected that would do anything about that. Just an opinion.

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Yesterday said:

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Did you miss the 20 page thread?

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No. I did not want this to get buried 20 pages deep.

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That's not how a message board works

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I love that he's getting involved in the culture. He could be one of the great voices of Christian conservatives in this country.

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Yep he's awesome, as is his podcast, as is his vast knowledge of The Bible. He's also a big anti-Talarico guy and speaks out against him being a false prophet regularly.

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reineraggie09 said:

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Josh Howerton is preparing to run for office. Big publicity push the last 6 months.

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I don't see him running for office. He's making more of an impact doing what he's doing. Nothing he has said makes me believe he's preparing to run for office.

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Yeah I definitely don't see him running for office. He's simply trying to make an impact via his strong Christian faith and his large platform against the liberal Godlessness that's happening in our country, and more specifically in Texas.

No one is "forcing Christianity," or largely campaigning for it to happen. The importance of the option to choose for yourself what to follow is actually one of the core tenets of Christianity itself. And the founding fathers were trying to get away from a state religion. They came from a time and society where moral duty (largely entwined with your stated religious beliefs) was very important.

That being said, even people like Richard Dawkins have admitted they want to live in a society that holds Christian values and principles, because the alternative is not good (which has been demonstrated numerous times throughout history). In his case, the point was that the alternative is Muslims take over, but even setting that aside, you can even see the results of an increasingly secularized society here, with the youngest generations having possibly the bleakest outlook on life on record, despite the best quality-of-life the world has ever seen. "Forced secularization" is also ideological and problematic.

You want us on that wall, haha.

Like Nate Bargatze says. We're not a melting pot. We're just a place where pots prefer to be around others of the same pot.

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No one is "forcing Christianity," or largely campaigning for it to happen. The importance of the option to choose for yourself what to follow is actually one of the core tenets of Christianity itself. And the founding fathers were trying to get away from a state religion. They came from a time and society where moral duty (largely entwined with your stated religious beliefs) was very important.

That being said, even people like Richard Dawkins have admitted they want to live in a society that holds Christian values and principles, because the alternative is not good (which has been demonstrated numerous times throughout history). In his case, the point was that the alternative is Muslims take over, but even setting that aside, you can even see the results of an increasingly secularized society here, with the youngest generations having possibly the bleakest outlook on life on record, despite the best quality-of-life the world has ever seen. "Forced secularization" is also ideological and problematic.

You want us on that wall, haha.

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Yeah, nobody is forcing the Ten Commandments in public schools. That would be crazy.

Hint #1 they may be quite Americanized: They are at a college football game, not a cricket match.

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If you look beyond the first 20 people in that picture, it's a lot of white males. Not sure why French decided this was the hill to die on.

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reineraggie09 said:

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Josh Howerton is preparing to run for office. Big publicity push the last 6 months.

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I don't see him running for office. He's making more of an impact doing what he's doing. Nothing he has said makes me believe he's preparing to run for office.

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It's not what he said. It's the massive media blitz. Shawn Ryan and other podcasts. Big ramp up in social media.

BigRobSA said:

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No idea who that guy is.

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Dallas pastor with a casual relatable demeanor who is a pretty deep thinker and consistently makes good points. Even if not a believer (but what kinda mexican would that make you?), I think you would like him. Libertarian leaning conservative...really good at shooting guns too.

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The point a lot of people are using that picture to make is largely valid, but it was a poor example to take viral for the cause. Almost every kid in that picture is second or third generation, born and raised here and indistinguishable from white American college students in every way but skin color.

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THIS. You could not pick a worse video to make any sort of anti-immigrant case. Although I'd bet most are 1st and 2nd gen. There were not many Indians here at all 3+ generations ago.

I believe there is a problem...we should be taking people from any country in slowly, and there should be a solid vetting process, I don't care what color you are or where you are from (no more Muslims though, not sorry). We should never be taking in huge blocks of foreigners with a completely different culture that can quickly take over and transform communities.

But these kids are actually making the opposite case those posting the video are trying to make. These are fully assimilated kids who are likely sitting in a fraternity or student org block and are acting EXACTLY how the Sigma Nu's a few section over are acting. THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD WANT. Assimilation.