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So one way out of poverty is sitting back and allowing millions of low IQ, radical Islamists who have no intention of assimilation into the country? Is it somehow good for them?

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I don't think that there's a single soul on this board that will defend the immigration policy of Angela Merkel.

Germany's problems are larger than the immigrant mix.

A healthy society with a healthy economy can absorb and assimilate immigrants. A healthy political system has a reasoned system for choosing the immigrants that it allows to join the society.

Germany has been broken for 100 years.

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And ours (referring to immigration policy) has been broken for 60.

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Vigilante auxiliary police forces patrolling the streets of Germany? What could possibly go wrong?

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I generally agree this isn't a great idea but if there are areas the police won't go, sending in patriots isn't a bad way to get control of neighborhoods back.

So what. Proud Germans also still sing DUETSCHLAND UBER ALLES……

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Vigilante auxiliary police forces patrolling the streets of Germany? What could possibly go wrong?

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I am guessing you never dealt with an overbearing HOA.

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Vigilante auxiliary police forces patrolling the streets of Germany? What could possibly go wrong?

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I'm your huckleberry GIF

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But you are doing what this article is doing - comparing AfD to Nazis. They are simply like most other "far right" parties in Europe. They still want their cradle to grave welfare but they just want it for Germans.

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Saxony-Anhalt and Thuringia, it should be noted, are former East German territory and this is the stronghold of AfD. A lot of the AfD's voters are the children and grandchildren of actual, literal Communists (and a few of them were former DDR commies themselves).

The actually productive parts of Germany spent enormous amounts of resources dragging the East into the 20th century. The resentment in the East is not based on agreement with the Austrian school of economics-there isn't a conservative bone in most of these people's bodies. They are just mad that the spigot is running dry.

Instead they (and to be fair to them, in this they are like most people everywhere) are not against welfare-they are against welfare for other people.

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Vestal_Flame said:

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Vigilante auxiliary police forces patrolling the streets of Germany? What could possibly go wrong?

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I am guessing you never dealt with an overbearing HOA.

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. Instead they (and to be fair to them, in this they are like most people everywhere) are not against welfare-they are against welfare for other people.

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This is the most useful point in the thread. You may be able to absorb high levels of immigration. You may be able to support a strong welfare state. You certainly can't have both.

AfD is pretty dominant now in the former East Germany.

In the eastern section of Germany the AfD party now has a stunning 43% support.

The AfD is the only party that supports mass deportations.

AfD has 29% support across all of Germany and leads all polls by a wide margin.

All of the other parties will try to join together is a… pic.twitter.com/r8XKjikibQ

— Wall Street Mav (@WallStreetMav) August 26, 2026

🔴 Germany's far-right AfD has pledged to remove refugee and disabled children from mainstream schools if it wins the Saxony-Anhalt regional election on September 6.
• The party's manifesto claims the "inclusion experiment failed."
• It advocates for separate education for… pic.twitter.com/FDmQzYdeEW

— Open Source Intelligence (@osint42news) August 27, 2026

Remigration (what we might more properly call deportations) won't be made possible with just control of one region but segregation of 'refugees' (muslims) in schools could happen, imho.

What was considered normal and common sense is now considered radical.

The thing that bears discussion is that AfD is polling best in Saxony-Anhalt, where there is not a lot of prosperity and there are not many Muslim immigrants (2-3%).

In the state of Berlin, with more prosperity and more Muslims (8-10%), the support for AfD is cut in half.

In Berlin, income is 20% higher and AfD is (narrowly leading, but) polling at about the same level as CDU and Die Linke.

I have seen a similar voting pattern in the UK and France with regard to immigrants, prosperity, and voting for parties that have authoritarian nationalist tendencies that are outside of the traditional governing pedigree.

AfD rhymes with poverty for a reason.

A bunch of people who feel left behind by the 21st century want to send a militia out onto the streets to dehumanize and terrify a bunch of folks who worship God in a different way. They want to round up these people and run them out of the country.

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But you are doing what this article is doing - comparing AfD to Nazis.

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Yes. I've seen this pattern, before. My favorite little piece of the middle of nowhere in Bavaria has a dark little secret. It's a place that prosperity forgot after 1700. They voted 87.5% for the Nazis in 1932. Nationwide, Nazis pulled 38%, that year. At the time, the Nazis were selling expulsions as a cure for cultural poisoning.

To quote a certain immigrant from Germany to America, "an empty stomach is a bad political advisor."

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"All for Germany" was a political slogan, it was first documented in 1848 (almost 90 years before the SA) during the unification of Germany. It has been used many times since then by German nationals including the SA.

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I do not derive much solace from the idea that the SA and the AFD are merely pursuing their common connection to a broader tradition of Prussian imperialism.

1914 was bad.

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"All (everything) for Germany" was a political slogan, it was first documented in 1848 (almost 80 years before the SA) during the unification of Germany. It has been used many times since then by German nationals including the SA.

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So, the defense to the charge of Naziism is mere Prussian Imperialism. I am supposed to feel. I'll go plant poppies.

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The German Revolution of 1848-1849 consisted of a sequence of unsuccessful protests and uprisings that sought to unify Germany, abolish autocratic governance, and secure fundamental civil liberties.
If anything, these movements opposed Prussian Imperialism, emphasizing that German government should represent all its people, not just the Prussians.

That's a strong argument.

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I have not seen a better argument for the AfD than the beginning of this hit piece from The Atlantic
I'm not kidding pic.twitter.com/xCgmuDC0SY

— Michael Malice (@michaelmalice) August 26, 2026

This isn't even that radical, IMO. I'd consider these policies common sense and a decent start.

The fact that we are at a point in the West where these ideas sound fringe/radical is an indictment on the post WWII consensus and liberalism in general.

Don't have a subscription but link to the article for any of you people with subs to The Atlantic for some reason: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/2026/08/german-election-afd-far-right/688389/

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1. Comparing the AfD to Nazis. lol.
2. Revoking the residence permit of foreigners who commit crimes. In what f'ing world is that extreme???

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In the world of "men can get pregnant and chest feed just like women - men and their pen*ses belong in womens locker rooms and showers after they kick womens asses at sports - and socialism will work this time". Only insanely dumb and hyper brainwashed weirdos will think any of that is "extreme".

Also love how they completely turn a blind eye when Asian or brown countries go far beyond that...in fact, it's "beautiful" when they do everythng they can to remain as racially homogeneous as possible. This AfD thing, and similar movements in The West, isn't even about racial homogeneity...it's more about preserving culture and way of life and making sure their children inherit a world that isn;t completely unrecognizable to the one their parents inherited.

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. Are you arguing that these places NEED hardcore muslims and illiterate low skilled third worlders in order to prevent population decline?

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Dear God, no. To borrow a line from a friend of mine in Germany, the problem with that continent is that the people who have lived there for hundreds of years have forgotten how to make babies.

I am also arguing, as I do with respect to the politics of the United States, that we should be wary of endorsing the political ideas of the places from which people are actively running away.

Saxony-Anhalt and Thuringia appear to have a more advanced case of the problem that is plaguing various blue states in The United States. A bunch of unreformed socialists have killed the economy, and the resultant culture is a toxic mess.

I've visited 5 German states. Saxony-Anhalt and Thuringia are places that I passed through without stopping for a visit. I have a feeling that a lot of people, even Germans, would say something similar.

The AfD is weak in Munich, which is the city in Germany that really sets my watch.

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No offense but it's a lot of high brow talk and is not clear at all. You are seemingly arguing both sides.

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None taken. My politics is pretty bookish, on both sides of the Atlantic.

When I walk down the street in Munich, I think, "damn, the CSU knows how to make a place work."

When I look at what the AfD is saying, I think, "Man, I've heard this before, and it ended badly."

I'm going to raise one other point that was neglected in all of this, and it's important.

The AfD has advocated Dexit.

I am opposed to Dexit. I think that the EU is good for American interests. The EU was better for American interests before the Brits left. The EU will be less useful to us if the Germans walk out.

I want the European continent to have uniform commercial rules that allow American companies to sell their products from Portugal to Poland, without change.

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I'm going to raise one other point that was neglected in all of this, and it's important.

The AfD has advocated Dexit.

I am opposed to Dexit. I think that the EU is good for American interests. The EU was better for American interests before the Brits left. The EU will be less useful to us if the Germans walk out.

I want the European continent to have uniform commercial rules that allow American companies to sell their products from Portugal to Poland, without change.

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Indifferent on this. I can't blame them for it. Brussels is an oppressive, anti-freedom cesspool that has gradually usurped liberties in individual countries.

I think the EU is destined to lose some countries over time unless they fix immigration.

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On this, we agree perfectly.

I don't want a tight border, or any border at all, between Aachen and Liege. I want a tight border between Tunis and Marsala.

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Maastricht (1993), and the Treaty of Rome (1957), were generally good for American interests.

As an American citizen, I'm a big fan.

As an Italian citizen, and therefore a citizen of the EU, I think that the EU has, on the whole, been a good deal for me.

The EU solves practical commercial and logistical problems. There's nothing highbrow about my motivations for being a fan of the EU.

It's not going to be stopped any time soon.

COMMENT: Europe’s next migration crisis will come from Sudan, writes political commentator Chama Metchalyhttps://t.co/kG3ycarjGj

— Brussels Signal (@brusselssignal) August 25, 2026

My hope is that Brussels will pay Ankara to host Sudanese refugees (in the same way that Brussels paid Ankara to host Syrians). This is a good system.

I'm not completely sure what this paragraph means for "recognition rates", but in practical terms it's more suicidal policy for Europe. They could stop this if they wanted to. Sink the boats coming over.

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In May 2026, 1,690 Sudanese lodged first-time asylum applications in the European Union, making them its fourth-largest national group, according to Eurostat. Sudanese children were the second-largest group of unaccompanied minors seeking asylum. The European Union Agency for Asylum (EUAA) placed the Sudanese recognition rate at 60 per cent, twice the overall EU+ rate. Sudanese applicants therefore carry a rational expectation of receiving protection if they reach Europe, while European governments cannot resolve an influx through rapid rejection and return. The EU's new mandatory border procedures, which took effect on June 12, 2026 under the Pact on Migration and Asylum, were designed chiefly around nationalities with recognition rates of 20 per cent or lower. Sudanese applicants do not fit that profile. Even under the Pact's accelerated procedures, a 60 per cent recognition rate means the majority of arrivals would generate full examination rights, extended accommodation obligations and appeal processes. The border procedure was designed to filter. It cannot compress a population that qualifies.

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