The recognition rate is the percentage of claimants receiving recognition of asylum, I think.

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The recognition rate is the percentage of claimants receiving recognition of asylum, I think.

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That would make sense since they are coming from a known civil war.

At this point though, my policy would be no dice for anyone coming from the Middle East or Africa.

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Trying to classify the Nazis into the right-left divide of our current politics is a fool's errand, and The Atlantic seems to have had no trouble in recruiting the appropriate fool.

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Correct. Normie-Cons can scream "socialists" at the top of their lungs, but they refuse to reconcile with the fact that Nazis killed communists, were ethnic nationalists, and stood against the progressivism of the time.

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Killing commies ain't a bad thing regardless of who is doing it.

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The difference between commies and fascists is pretty thin

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Trying to classify the Nazis into the right-left divide of our current politics is a fool's errand, and The Atlantic seems to have had no trouble in recruiting the appropriate fool.

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Correct. Normie-Cons can scream "socialists" at the top of their lungs, but they refuse to reconcile with the fact that Nazis killed communists, were ethnic nationalists, and stood against the progressivism of the time.

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Killing commies ain't a bad thing regardless of who is doing it.

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The difference between commies and fascists is pretty thin

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They have such wonderful ideas for governing people that the masses don't appreciate
Indeed, government is far too important a task to be left to the consent of those being "governed".

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Trying to classify the Nazis into the right-left divide of our current politics is a fool's errand, and The Atlantic seems to have had no trouble in recruiting the appropriate fool.

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Correct. Normie-Cons can scream "socialists" at the top of their lungs, but they refuse to reconcile with the fact that Nazis killed communists, were ethnic nationalists, and stood against the progressivism of the time.

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Killing commies ain't a bad thing regardless of who is doing it.

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I agree.

The problem Hitler had was being too brainwashed by antisemitic conspiracy theories to correctly identify enemies.

Hasidic Jews living in shtetls in Poland were not going to start a communist revolution or subvert German culture. There was no logical reason to target them for destruction.

But actual communists, Frankfurt School professors, the Institut fr Sexualwissenschaft, or the demonstrators against the arrest of abortion doctors Friedrich Wolf and Else Kienle? Yeah, shoot them all.

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1. Comparing the AfD to Nazis. lol.
2. Revoking the residence permit of foreigners who commit crimes. In what f'ing world is that extreme???

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Here if the Democrats ever regain the White House.

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I haven't read the article, but I assume that it refers to the concern that AfD is about to win an election in Saxony-Anhalt.

It's the sort of place where outward migration combines with a net negative birth/death rate. It's not a cheerful proposition. It's the sort of place that you pass through without stopping.

When those AfD guys talk about remigration, it tends to rhyme with ethnic cleansing. AfD in Saxony-Anhalt strikes me as a bunch of forgotten people in a left-behind place choosing to scapegoat a minority for the fact that they are impoverished.

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Are you arguing that these places NEED hardcore muslims and illiterate low skilled third worlders in order to prevent population decline? Nah player, give me population decline over that. Kick them out then introduce government incentivization to procreate and form families. Rather than punishing people for doing things the right way.

Even here in America, we incentivize all of the wrong things...hood rats spitting out babies left and right for government bennies and staying single and dependent their whole lives. While good decent families fund this and so much other stupid backwards crap. It should be the other way around. We should be giving tax cuts to the people who deserve it and will make our society better. Maybe even large tax deductions for newly weds. Eliminate welfare and let things sort out naturally over time.

Instead, we seem hellbent on living out real life Idiocracy and doing everything we can to make sure that reckless and degenerate sub-80 IQ morons outbreed the people who are assets to this country.

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Just so we're clear, it was me who gave you that 10th star and I was damn proud to do it. If I could give you 100 more I would.

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I am also arguing, as I do with respect to the politics of the United States, that we should be wary of endorsing the political ideas of the places from which people are actively running away.

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so you're saying that we should be wary of Muslims?

I'm legitimately asking here. I don't really know what point you're making. If so, then good. If not, then we need to apply some critical thinking here.

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No offense but it's a lot of high brow talk and is not clear at all. You are seemingly arguing both sides.

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None taken. My politics is pretty bookish, on both sides of the Atlantic.

When I walk down the street in Munich, I think, "damn, the CSU knows how to make a place work."

When I look at what the AfD is saying, I think, "Man, I've heard this before, and it ended badly."

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The AfD is weak in Munich, which is the city in Germany that really sets my watch.

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Every party other than the Ds are weak in New York, LA, Chicago, Houston, Dallas, etc., etc., etc.

This is a really poor way of judging ideas for fixing a country.

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. so you're saying that we should be wary of Muslims?

I'm legitimately asking here. I don't really know what point you're making.

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We should be wary of importing any political ideology that is incompatible with our belief that our secular liberty is the gift of a living God.

nice on that we can agree.

and I'm still a bit hazy about what your position is about Europe. To say this and then argue against mass deportation doesn't make a bit of sense logically.

totally not coming after you. just trying to figure out your stance

Atlantic stepping on their own dick. Classic.

This is why countries that care about their culture/civilization/people do NOT import large swaths of mohammedans. Israel, Mexico, China, Russia, Poland, Hungary etc.

Hitler needed a common enemy to rally the German people around. Jews were an easy target.

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I'm legitimately asking here. I don't really know what point you're making.

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We should be wary of importing any political ideology that is incompatible with our belief that our secular liberty is the gift of a living God.

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You're doing everything you can to not grapple with the reality that your statement precludes allowing any third worlder in to any part of the western world.

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For the 100000000000000000th time, the NSDAP, or Nazis, we're LEFT WING radicals, not right wing. It's unbelievable that people don't understand this.

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plainly untrue. their core commitments were racial hierarchy, extreme nationalism, militarism, leader-principle authoritarianism, hostility to parliamentary democracy, glorification of traditional gender roles and the peasantry, and rejection of egalitarianism as such.

the nazi party defined itself against Marxism, liberalism, and the Weimar republic, and its violence in the streets was aimed overwhelmingly at communists and social democrats.

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Hitler needed a common enemy to rally the German people around. Jews were an easy target.

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It was a Jewish attorney who was the prosecutor that got him jailed. He...held a grudge.

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This isn't even that radical, IMO. I'd consider these policies common sense and a decent start.

The fact that we are at a point in the West where these ideas sound fringe/radical is an indictment on the post WWII consensus and liberalism in general.

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It's not radical. It's also an indictment of how easily the right accepts the left's definitions of them.

There is almost zero pushback when the left claims that pushing the right's policies of personal responsibility, fiscal responsibility, small government and deregulation to extremes equates to Nazism.

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For the 100000000000000000th time, the NSDAP, or Nazis, we're LEFT WING radicals, not right wing. It's unbelievable that people don't understand this.

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plainly untrue. their core commitments were racial hierarchy, extreme nationalism, militarism, leader-principle authoritarianism, hostility to parliamentary democracy, glorification of traditional gender roles and the peasantry, and rejection of egalitarianism as such.

the nazi party defined itself against Marxism, liberalism, and the Weimar republic, and its violence in the streets was aimed overwhelmingly at communists and social democrats.

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Change out a few of those terms and you have just defined the modern "People's Republic of China".

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For the 100000000000000000th time, the NSDAP, or Nazis, we're LEFT WING radicals, not right wing. It's unbelievable that people don't understand this.

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plainly untrue. their core commitments were racial hierarchy, extreme nationalism, militarism, leader-principle authoritarianism, hostility to parliamentary democracy, glorification of traditional gender roles and the peasantry, and rejection of egalitarianism as such.

the nazi party defined itself against Marxism, liberalism, and the Weimar republic, and its violence in the streets was aimed overwhelmingly at communists and social democrats.

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Change out a few of those terms and you have just defined the modern "People's Republic of China".

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You're doing everything you can to not grapple with the reality that your statement precludes allowing any third worlder in to any part of the western world.

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I think that some immigrants from the third world have made very good Americans. I think that, with all immigrants from all nations, we should take an appropriate level of care to understand what we are buying.

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You're doing everything you can to not grapple with the reality that your statement precludes allowing any third worlder in to any part of the western world.

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I think that some immigrants from the third world have made very good Americans. I think that, with all immigrants from all nations, we should take an appropriate level of care to understand what we are buying.

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I don't disagree but our system isn't set up to take that appropriate level of care. Thus, banning all of them is the most prudent action to take.

Again, you use "appropriate level of care" to avoid any responsibility or to obfuscate your actual position.

Practically, the people of the third world and the people of the west can't coexist on a long term basis at the societal level.

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Practically, the people of the third world and the people of the west can't coexist on a long term basis at the societal level.

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I try not to paint with a broad brush. We need the best people from all over the world, and we don't need the dregs from any country.

The third world is something of a loose term. For me, it generally means underdeveloped countries that were not communist during the first cold war.

A lot of those countries are populated with people who are largely compatible with American values. In Latin America, for example, many of them share our faith and the institutional traditions of European (e.g., Spanish) law.

Our goal should be to find good people and make them good Americans.

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Practically, the people of the third world and the people of the west can't coexist on a long term basis at the societal level.

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I try not to paint with a broad brush. We need the best people from all over the world, and we don't need the dregs from any country.

The third world is something of a loose term. For me, it generally means underdeveloped countries that were not communist during the first cold war.

A lot of those countries are populated with people who are largely compatible with American values. In Latin America, for example, many of them share our faith and the institutional traditions of European (e.g., Spanish) law.

Our goal should be to find good people and make them good Americans.

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That sounds great and all but it's a pipe dream when you have half the people in this country who are now for open borders and want zero vetting done. Within that reality, your only option is to totally shut it down while you have a pro-sovereign leader and Congress in power because the very next time they lose power we will go back to open borders again.

And that's a losing proposition that really at best a one step forward two steps backwards solution. We can't deport enough people fast enough while in power to offset the sheer millions that Democrats let in and will let in again next time they are in power.

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Trying to classify the Nazis into the right-left divide of our current politics is a fool's errand, and The Atlantic seems to have had no trouble in recruiting the appropriate fool.

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Correct. Normie-Cons can scream "socialists" at the top of their lungs, but they refuse to reconcile with the fact that Nazis killed communists, were ethnic nationalists, and stood against the progressivism of the time.

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Killing commies ain't a bad thing regardless of who is doing it.

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The difference between commies and fascists is pretty thin

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Also, the Third Reich was not fascists, they where national socialist, so the line is even thinner.

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Practically, the people of the third world and the people of the west can't coexist on a long term basis at the societal level.

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I try not to paint with a broad brush. We need the best people from all over the world, and we don't need the dregs from any country.

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We are not getting that, and we haven't been. That ship is sailed thanks to Obama and Biden polices.

The issue is obviously that a Somali or an Indian or an Ecuadorian can't become American.

Just like the middle eastern hordes can't become German. It's why German society is collapsing. Germany is for Germans and America is for Americans.

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The issue is obviously that a Somali or an Indian or an Ecuadorian can't become American.

Just like the middle eastern hordes can't become German. It's why German society is collapsing. Germany is for Germans and America is for Americans.

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We simply don't agree. I believe that one becomes American by living among us and embracing our values. Embracing our values is easier for some people than it is for others.

You can disagree, but it really isn't up for debate anymore. Magic Dirt Theory has been utterly disproven beyond reasonable doubt.

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The issue is obviously that a Somali or an Indian or an Ecuadorian can't become American.

Just like the middle eastern hordes can't become German. It's why German society is collapsing. Germany is for Germans and America is for Americans.

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We simply don't agree. I believe that one becomes American by living among us and embracing our values. Embracing our values is easier for some people than it is for others.

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But that's the crux of the matter, is it not? How many non-assimilators are you willing to take in to get the ones who will embrace American values? As I said before, one of our two major political parties does not believe in making this distinction and wants totally open borders. They are literally against the very idea of a country and protecting American values.

In the face of that harsh reality, you are simply committing suicide to satisfy your emotional ideal.

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The issue is obviously that a Somali or an Indian or an Ecuadorian can't become American.

Just like the middle eastern hordes can't become German. It's why German society is collapsing. Germany is for Germans and America is for Americans.

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We simply don't agree. I believe that one becomes American by living among us and embracing our values. Embracing our values is easier for some people than it is for others.

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It helps if one gives up ancient blood hatred rooted in the dawn of time. When one's religion teaches that hatred andr killing of certain ethnic groups of people is a religious duty, it is difficult to see how they will be mainstreamed because that residual toxin will always exist.

Please educate me, this isn't an argument, I want to know why you think this.

EDIT: It appears you gave some explanation before my reply, sorry. I have seen the Nazis equated to right-wing frames of mind, but vaguely I remember several documentaries I watched years ago claiming "left leaning" for them.

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