Is there foul play? Why is this racial?

Rapier108 said:

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The Democrats desperately need another St. Floyd of Fentanyl, another "hands up, don't shoot,, or something similar in time for the November election.

It doesn't matter if it was an accident, murder, or something else, those with an agenda will push it as hard as possible to imply he was killed (either intentionally or due to his friends simply letting him die) by his three white friends. Social media will get the masses stirred up to the point where facts won't matter and even if there is a mountain of evidence that nothing nefarious happened, people won't believe it.

Just look at how many people still believe Floyd was killed by the cops, Michael Brown was executed by the police, Anthony was justified in stabbing Austin, and Kyle Rittenhouse shot 3 black men.

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They're going to keep throwing darts at the board until they get one to stick.

Sims said:

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The 2nd link is too much for me. We wonder why we have race issues in this country.

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5. What does Nolan Xavier Wells' death say about water safety for Black youth?

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Is there a different handbook for Black water safety? I'm concerned I only taught my kids White water safety and that I've somehow missed the bar when it comes to complete training.

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So Blacks cannot swim. How racist.

Canyon99 said:

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Saw a number of blacks on FB saying they plan to have a talk with their children to teach them not to be the only black person in a group of friends hanging out together. Bizarro world.

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It's so true.

I remember when my kid spilled his ice cream on is black friend. We practically had to go in to hiding.

I used to swim to second sand bar as a 16 year old.
Tried it at 20 with several beers-- not a good idea.

Also, at Rice, even athletes had to take a compressive P.E. class where we took archery, raquetball,etc,etc. One segment was swimming. Half to three quarters of black guys couldnt even swim.
Ditto at Ft Riley summer ROTC camp. Black guys in my platoon had to go to remedial swimming in the evening or early morning hours.
Why? No access to pools, parents scared of water, interests in other sports or activities?

Hardcore Greg said:

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This is horrible and sad, pray for those poor parents. That being said...this is going to be racialized for sure.

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Mother with different last name than son, no mention of father in articles.

Nuke_Ag05 said:

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That article....

What does his death say about water safety for "black youth".....the **** does that even mean?

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It means most black youth can't swim and shouldn't be near water. Especially when drinking and trying to impress girls.

https://instagr.am/p/DZgL3SPudhF

This is the exact plot of a Netflix show. Next one of them commits suicide. One of them grows up and is eventually killed by their military helicopter wife.

Always come down to contact and communication timeline.

I live on a lake and every time someone is missing there is an issue with shenanigans. I'll bet this one comes down to where the phone was found and if the friends contacted him when they had service or not. If they texted that night to ask 'how did it go with that girl" ... innocent of getting away with it. if they texted that next morning "we took an uber home b/c we couldnt find him and he was our ride" ... always more to the story.



Victims rarely disappear without immediate contact to others.

Victims of shenanigans always seem to have a time gap between missing and reporting.

Maroon Elephant said:

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Horn Island is 10 miles off the coast of Mississippi. For those kids (with the means) who live on the coast, going out there is like running around a lake for most Texas kids. It's a regular summer thing for them. There were dozens of boats out there, loud music and lots of drinking that day, so not uncommon for someone to ride out in one boat then return in another. As for the phones, there is no service on that island, so most kids leave their phones in the boat they rode there in. It's just a literal stretch of beach in the middle of the gulf, it's not an inhabited island with structures or anything like that.

Knowing only what we know now, there is a good chance this is simply a case of kids doing what they do. Drinking all day, you get in the water to take a piss but maybe go out a little too deep, then the undercurrent (which I've read is really strong on the north side of that island) takes you out too deep, you drown, nobody notices and everyone heads back to Mississippi thinking you caught a ride with someone else. Tide washes the body up on shore.

If anything other than that happened, we could be looking at a Rodney King size powder keg ready to blow.

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Mississippi is like a country unto itself

drove back through there on my way from Dallas to DC 10 days ago

the most god-awful poverty I have ever seen in the USA is in Vicksburg MS

worse than New Orleans, worse than Baltimore, worse than southeast washington dc

it's like a time warp to 1867

ts5641 said:

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Is there foul play? Why is this racial?

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It is not at all racial...that will not stop many black people from making it racial (some already are). I cannot tell you how many times I see "never trust white people - they're all the same" sentiment online. It's actually pretty troubling.

Like a sh** ton of blacks truly hate us all and think we are evil and untrustworthy. Maybe not the majority...but a significant percentage. Look at the blind fervent support for Karmelo and the unfiltered hatred towards the father and brother of the murder victim.

I wonder if they are teaching this sh** in black churches? I will never understand it.

Martin Q. Blank said:

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Nuke_Ag05 said:

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That article....

What does his death say about water safety for "black youth".....the **** does that even mean?

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It means most black youth can't swim and shouldn't be near water. Especially when drinking and trying to impress girls.

https://instagr.am/p/DZgL3SPudhF

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We used to see lots of teenage and young adult black men and women in the lazy river at Water World with floaties on. It was like 4 ft of water, max. I remember thinking it was a joke at first, but later I realized they genuinely probably didn't have the same evel of access to neighborhood pools that we had growing up.

Pick any body of water...the pool, the waterpark, the lake, the beach, the river...you will see far fewer than 13% black representation actually out in the water.

evestor1 said:

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Always come down to contact and communication timeline.

I live on a lake and every time someone is missing there is an issue with shenanigans. I'll bet this one comes down to where the phone was found and if the friends contacted him when they had service or not. If they texted that night to ask 'how did it go with that girl" ... innocent of getting away with it. if they texted that next morning "we took an uber home b/c we couldnt find him and he was our ride" ... always more to the story.



Victims rarely disappear without immediate contact to others.

Victims of shenanigans always seem to have a time gap between missing and reporting.

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I don't understand what you are getting at here. And what does "innocent of getting away with it" mean?

I listened to the "Black News Network" one afternoon while driving (shortly after the Karmelo Anthony trial). News from the Black perspective. Anyway. Check it out sometime if you want to learn more.

Back when we still had the lake house, our neighbor's wife was Hispanic from south Texas. One year her family came up for the Fourth. None of them knew how to swim. So because we had a gentle slope into the water at our bulkhead, they all ended up on our dock so the kids could wade in the water. (Their dock did not have a beach area.)

I was in South Padre during Spring Break a few years ago and walked the beaches with the college kids out. I didn't see a single AA enter the water and don't think I saw a single AA male in swim trunks. They were all in basketball shorts with white tube socks and athletic slides on their feet. I thought it was weird.

tylercsbn9 said:

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family brought on Ben Crump

Any sympathy I had for them just went out the window

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What is he going to do? Autopsy results should be in soon. Absent blunt force trauma, presence of water in the lungs will result in a manner of death to be accidental drowning. I guess the family could try to sue the boat owner but the boat was not actively involved, it appears.

tylercsbn9 said:

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family brought on Ben Crump

Any sympathy I had for them just went out the window

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You mourn and grieve .
Then you get answers.
To go money chasing after one day? Uh, is that what he means to them? A payday?

Nuke_Ag05 said:

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That article....

What does his death say about water safety for "black youth".....the **** does that even mean?

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It says they can drown just like white or hispanic youth when they party too hard and do stupid crap in a big body of water..They could also get hit by a boat or jet ski or whatever by other drunk people not paying attention to what's in the water.

Vicksburg is pretty sad. First the Civil War, then a 1920s flood moved the river channel away from town

Our daughter was stationed in NE Mississippi. She said there was no middle class there. Everyone was either really rich, or really poor

Sims said:

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The 2nd link is too much for me. We wonder why we have race issues in this country.

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5. What does Nolan Xavier Wells' death say about water safety for Black youth?

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Is there a different handbook for Black water safety? I'm concerned I only taught my kids White water safety and that I've somehow missed the bar when it comes to complete training.

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Sims said:

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The 2nd link is too much for me. We wonder why we have race issues in this country.

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5. What does Nolan Xavier Wells' death say about water safety for Black youth?

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Is there a different handbook for Black water safety? I'm concerned I only taught my kids White water safety and that I've somehow missed the bar when it comes to complete training.

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Black kids are more likely to not learn to swim. Not directly because they're black. Because they're poor. Or their parents never learned. Or their grandparents never learned. And maybe because their grandparents weren't let into the swimming pool. And because it messes with their hair. And because they don't have pools in their neighborhoods. And don't have access to swimming lessons. There's probably dozens of reasons. And plenty of black kids do learn to swim. But statistically less likely to learn.

My grandmothers never learned to swim because they were poor and grew up in west Texas in the 30s.

Everyone should learn to swim.

evestor1 said:

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Always come down to contact and communication timeline.

I live on a lake and every time someone is missing there is an issue with shenanigans. I'll bet this one comes down to where the phone was found and if the friends contacted him when they had service or not. If they texted that night to ask 'how did it go with that girl" ... innocent of getting away with it. if they texted that next morning "we took an uber home b/c we couldnt find him and he was our ride" ... always more to the story.



Victims rarely disappear without immediate contact to others.

Victims of shenanigans always seem to have a time gap between missing and reporting.

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My brother and his friends went to Galveston for Mardi Gras one year and got separated from the guy who had the car keys (before the days of cell phones). After it was all over, they waited several hours for him to show up at the car and eventually went to find a phone and started calling home to find out if anybody had heard from him. Finally figured out that he had tried to climb from a 2nd floor to a 3rd floor balcony during the parade and fell all the way to the street. Broke a couple of vertebrae his back, both ankles, had a skull fracture and was in the hospital.

Funny part was that nearly every time when he would call to check in with his mom, he would always say "Mom, I'm in the hospital" and she would ask if he had clean underwear on. When the hospital called his parents, his mom didn't believe them and kept saying "OK, joke is over, put Bryan on the phone."

Swim lessons aren't hard. My grandfather taught me the same way he taught his Boston Terrier. Tossed me into his pool until I figured out how to get to the steps on my own.

Ogre09 said:

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Sims said:

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The 2nd link is too much for me. We wonder why we have race issues in this country.

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5. What does Nolan Xavier Wells' death say about water safety for Black youth?

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Is there a different handbook for Black water safety? I'm concerned I only taught my kids White water safety and that I've somehow missed the bar when it comes to complete training.

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Black kids are more likely to not learn to swim. Not directly because they're black. Because they're poor. Or their parents never learned. Or their grandparents never learned. And maybe because their grandparents weren't let into the swimming pool. And because it messes with their hair. And because they don't have pools in their neighborhoods. And don't have access to swimming lessons. There's probably dozens of reasons. And plenty of black kids do learn to swim. But statistically less likely to learn.

My grandmothers never learned to swim because they were poor and grew up in west Texas in the 30s.

Everyone should learn to swim.

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All joking aside, there are some things that are like that where old racial biases create very real statistical differences. My sister was working with a variety of stakeholders on an initiative to revitalize some park spaces in the inner city and part of it was getting community feedback on what they did and did not want in a park. One thing that came out of it was multiple older folks in the black communities telling her that the reason they didn't get into more outdoors and nature related recreation activities was that in their generation, "black people didn't go in the woods because bad things happened to them there". In 1950s and 60s, that probably had a decent amount of truth to it depending on what part of the country you were in, but the end result was that there were generations of black kids in those communities for whom "going into the woods" just wasn't part of their experiences growing up because their parents had no desire to take them there or actively discouraged them from it. The socioeconomic reasons aside, some of the "black folks don't swim" stereotype is likely just handed down from one generation to the next even if the economics have changed and swimming opportunities are available.

bonfarr said:

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Swim lessons aren't hard. My grandfather taught me the same way he taught his Boston Terrier. Tossed me into his pool until I figured out how to get to the steps on my own.

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My grandfather had a lake house even before I was born. Was raised on that lake. When I was a toddler, was always strapped into those old life vests for kids that restricted movement so much the most one could do was bob and then kick your feet to move. Dad would pick me up out of the water by that neck panel. Take me out of the vest and step into the boat house to hang it up to dry. He would return to find me back in the water right by the ladder, underwater but looking up at him smiling. Guess I was convinced I could breathe under water, LOL.

Didn't take long to learn to swim and graduate to the ski belt life preserver for more freedom of movement. I was a water baby, floating was easy.

txags92 said:

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Ogre09 said:

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Sims said:

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The 2nd link is too much for me. We wonder why we have race issues in this country.

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5. What does Nolan Xavier Wells' death say about water safety for Black youth?

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Is there a different handbook for Black water safety? I'm concerned I only taught my kids White water safety and that I've somehow missed the bar when it comes to complete training.

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Black kids are more likely to not learn to swim. Not directly because they're black. Because they're poor. Or their parents never learned. Or their grandparents never learned. And maybe because their grandparents weren't let into the swimming pool. And because it messes with their hair. And because they don't have pools in their neighborhoods. And don't have access to swimming lessons. There's probably dozens of reasons. And plenty of black kids do learn to swim. But statistically less likely to learn.

My grandmothers never learned to swim because they were poor and grew up in west Texas in the 30s.

Everyone should learn to swim.

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All joking aside, there are some things that are like that where old racial biases create very real statistical differences. My sister was working with a variety of stakeholders on an initiative to revitalize some park spaces in the inner city and part of it was getting community feedback on what they did and did not want in a park. One thing that came out of it was multiple older folks in the black communities telling her that the reason they didn't get into more outdoors and nature related recreation activities was that in their generation, "black people didn't go in the woods because bad things happened to them there". In 1950s and 60s, that probably had a decent amount of truth to it depending on what part of the country you were in, but the end result was that there were generations of black kids in those communities for whom "going into the woods" just wasn't part of their experiences growing up because their parents had no desire to take them there or actively discouraged them from it. The socioeconomic reasons aside, some of the "black folks don't swim" stereotype is likely just handed down from one generation to the next even if the economics have changed and swimming opportunities are available.

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This is 100% correct. I am an RPTS graduate and TAMU did a number of surveys in the 80s and 90s on why the AA community didn't participate more in camping and use of state outdoor recreational resources and the answer was that they were afraid of leaving the city and running into Billy Bob rednecks in the woods.