People still believe the Dept of Treasury is cutting a 300 billion dollar check to Iran? lol

People are so desperate to see Trump take an L that they are willing to buy and promote the Iranian propaganda. Reevaluate your life if this is you

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I am also claiming that Russia would very likely not have advanced on Ukraine with Trump in the White House.

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we're still doing this? we have more than enough evidence from the past year and a half that trump as CIC is not a deterrent to our enemies whatsoever

I don't dispute the fact that we're in the negotiating phase and that these things have not yet occurred. But it is worrisome that such conditions are even being discussed.

In what bizarro world can the state that got leveled in a war not be coerced into accepting our terms to end the war? How are we not dictating directly to Tehran what we want going forward? No matter what any of you all say, I can't believe that we should be happy with a return to the status quo following this conflict. I think we all assume that Iran will likely use whatever time an agreement buys them to resume doing all the things that Science Denier listed in his post.

ETA: I'm also consistently stunned at the goaltending that happens here for the president. The things we are discussing (total sanctions relief, money to rebuild etc.) are in the 14 point MOU signed by Trump. We don't know what the final details will be but it's fair game to criticize the MOU for being way too in favor of our enemy and wondering why the president would ever agree to such favorable terms. Do you all consider the MOU to be Iranian propaganda?

Old McDonald said:

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BusterAg said:

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I am also claiming that Russia would very likely not have advanced on Ukraine with Trump in the White House.

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we're still doing this? we have more than enough evidence from the past year and a half that trump as CIC is not a deterrent to our enemies whatsoever

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That I actually agree with BusterAg

DJT would have just given Ukraine to Putin and Russian Oligarch Kleptocracy

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I don't dispute the fact that we're in the negotiating phase and that these things have not yet occurred. But it is worrisome that such conditions are even being discussed.

In what bizarro world can the state that got leveled in a war not be coerced into accepting our terms to end the war? How are we not dictating directly to Tehran what we want going forward? No matter what any of you all say, I can't believe that we should be happy with a return to the status quo following this conflict. I think we all assume that Iran will likely use whatever time an agreement buys them to resume doing all the things that Science Denier listed in his post.

ETA: I'm also consistently stunned at the goaltending that happens here for the president. The things we are discussing (total sanctions relief, money to rebuild etc.) are in the 14 point MOU signed by Trump. We don't know what the final details will be but it's fair game to criticize the MOU for being way too in favor of our enemy and wondering why the president would ever agree to such favorable terms. Do you all consider the MOU to be Iranian propaganda?

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How worried are you really?

$1 trillion in damage done to Iran infrastructure. $400-450 million per day in economic damage. In what bizarro world is that a win for the host country? And they are getting loans / investment from their frenemies to help out at a 30 cents on the dollar rate. They need 4x that just to get back to evens.

We are dictating directly to Tehran what we want going forward. How are you missing that?

Status quo ignores the things that have ALREADY OCCURRED and clearly outlined on this very page of this very lengthy thread. Are you willfully ignoring that in an attempt to antagonize folks? Or did you just happen to miss it? I don't think you missed it because you reference Science Denier's post. Then ignore it.

ETA: I think most are MORE STUNNED at the simping for Iran that people have stooped to because they will not allow any sort of success by this admin to be recognized.

Total sanctions relief has not been discussed. You can criticize the MOU all you want. Even I have done so!

I do consider taking the 14 points of the MOU and recharacterizing things like the $300 billion in recovery and ignoring all the other items and then acting like this is the final deal and Iran most totally won… yea, that feels a lot like Iranian propaganda.

Better than the old deal?

https://www.cfr.org/articles/iran-cheating-nuclear-deal

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Germany's domestic intelligence agency said in its annual report that Iran has a "clandestine" effort to seek illicit nuclear technology and equipment from German companies "at what is, even by international standards, a quantitatively high level." The findings by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, Germany's equivalent of the FBI, were issued in a 317-page report last week.

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As we know the Iranians never complied with the old deal, a fact apparently known to all but the Obammunists and their groupies, can this potential deal be any worse than what Democratic appeasement failed to achieve under Soetoro and Autopen?

Barrack and his minions seek to rewrite history in plain sight.

Good ol Susan Rice can keep her ugly smug mug off of TV these days though as Biden's director of domestic policy she could not be bothered to give an interview and will not speak of Bidens cognitive abilities.

Recall she told absolute truth on Benghazi.

Safe to say any discussing the "merits" of the JCPOA is following commands of Head Hater of America, Hussein Obama.

BTW - the current director of domestic policy is an Aggie.

Old McDonald said:

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better for iran? yes

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Based on what data points?

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Old McDonald said:

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better for iran? yes

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Based on what data points?

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The ones outlined by the Gay Ayatollah. He can count all 14 points on one hand, though some of the fingers did not originally belong to him.

Old McDonald said:

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BusterAg said:

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I am also claiming that Russia would very likely not have advanced on Ukraine with Trump in the White House.

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we're still doing this? we have more than enough evidence from the past year and a half that trump as CIC is not a deterrent to our enemies whatsoever

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As long as you keep living in fantasy world.

I have a former President of Venezuela who says you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Barrack and his minions seek to rewrite history in plain sight.

Good ol Susan Rice can keep her ugly smug mug off of TV these days though as Biden's director of domestic policy she could not be bothered to give an interview and will not speak of Bidens cognitive abilities.

Recall she told absolute truth on Benghazi.

Safe to say any discussing the "merits" of the JCPOA is following commands of Head Hater of America, Hussein Obama.

BTW - the current director of domestic policy is an Aggie.

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Like many other Obama-era policies and approaches, they wanted the public appearance of competence without need of proving competency.

From May 8, 2018…

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/ceasing-u-s-participation-jcpoa-taking-additional-action-counter-irans-malign-influence-deny-iran-paths-nuclear-weapon/

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Meanwhile, Iran has publicly declared it would deny the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) access to military sites in direct conflict with the Additional Protocol to its Comprehensive Safeguards Agreement with the IAEA. In 2016, Iran also twice violated the JCPOA's heavy water stockpile limits. This behavior is unacceptable, especially for a regime known to have pursued nuclear weapons in violation of its obligations under the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

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In the CFR article I posted above, SECSTATE Swift Boast promised consequences were Iran caught violating the JCPOA.

Iran violated the treaty repeatedly.

Consequences? None from Obama. None from Biden.

Another red line walked all over by our enemies because Obama was gutless.

Why is Trump working this today?

Because appeasement flatlined the minute after the limp-wristed liberals signed the JCPOA.

Preach.

The Iman's and IRGC regime have to be eliminated from any leadership position for anything to have a snowball in hell chance to work.

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People still believe the Dept of Treasury is cutting a 300 billion dollar check to Iran? lol

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Intellectually lazy straw man. The US goal is facilitating the regime getting 300 billion. Source doesn't matter.

txwxman said:

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HarveyUpdyke_Ag said:

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People still believe the Dept of Treasury is cutting a 300 billion dollar check to Iran? lol

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Intellectually lazy straw man. The US goal is facilitating the regime getting 300 billion. Source doesn't matter.

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It should not be surprising if the money given to Iran ultimately comes from our tax dollars. Even as wealthy as a few of those other middle eastern countries are, $300 billion is still a hell of a lot of money to them. You can bet that they will expect at least that much in value, probably much more, from the US in return for funding Iran as they give to Iran.

Keep in mind that secret agreements between countries are not all that uncommon.

txwxman said:

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HarveyUpdyke_Ag said:

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People still believe the Dept of Treasury is cutting a 300 billion dollar check to Iran? lol

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Intellectually lazy straw man. The US goal is facilitating the regime getting 300 billion. Source doesn't matter.

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intellectually void take.


of course the source matters. one can be against this fund and still understand it would be even worse if the US treasury was writing them a check.

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txwxman said:

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HarveyUpdyke_Ag said:

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People still believe the Dept of Treasury is cutting a 300 billion dollar check to Iran? lol

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Intellectually lazy straw man. The US goal is facilitating the regime getting 300 billion. Source doesn't matter.

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intellectually void take.


of course the source matters. one can be against this fund and still understand it would be even worse if the US treasury was writing them a check.

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Is it any better if we write a check to the other Middle Eastern countries so that they can use part of those funds to give to Iran?

thats not happening either

BMX Bandit said:

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thats not happening either

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The other Middle Eastern countries are giving them $300 billion out of the goodness of their hearts?

thread officially eric76'd

Old McDonald said:

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BusterAg said:

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I am also claiming that Russia would very likely not have advanced on Ukraine with Trump in the White House.

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we're still doing this? we have more than enough evidence from the past year and a half that trump as CIC is not a deterrent to our enemies whatsoever

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txwxman said:

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HarveyUpdyke_Ag said:

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People still believe the Dept of Treasury is cutting a 300 billion dollar check to Iran? lol

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Intellectually lazy straw man. The US goal is facilitating the regime getting 300 billion. Source doesn't matter.

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This is an incorrect intellectually lazy straw man.

The regime gets zero dollars.

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Keep in mind that secret agreements between countries are not all that uncommon.

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So, hypothetical conspiracy theories about something Trump might have done in secret are now post-worthy?

Operation Midnight Hammer I get. It is good to keep the Iranians in check and we obliterated their nuclear potential (we were told that). Operation Epic Fury was a total waste of our resources that did nothing but cost our country lives and wreak havoc on the economy. It especially looks that way now given this "deal" that has transpired. What a waste.

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BMX Bandit said:

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thats not happening either

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The other Middle Eastern countries are giving them $300 billion out of the goodness of their hearts?

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Money is fungible
Iran is extracting "protection" money from their neighbors
The Money from the neighbors frees up money for other uses

US & Israel was not able to
Topple the regime
Force the re-opening of the SoH or
Protect very valuable O&G assets in Qatar, UAE, etc

We got humiliated and it might get significantly worse over the next 60 days
I use the word humiliated because 60 day ago DJT was talking unconditional surrender and what we got was a MOU that might not even last 6 days

This is where Trump is truly the master deal maker. The self proclaimed King of Debt can conjure up money like no one else. He'll find a way to use our money to pay off the Emirs, Sheiks and Qataris.

It's a ballroom scam on steroids. Tell you it will be paid by private donors then double the size and change order the crap out of the job and then, voila. A couple of hundred million dollars changes buckets.

In the good old days of Congressional oversight, this sort of thing would be a challenge. But with the invertebrates on the Hill today don't count out the Don.

Zona81 said:

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This is where Trump is truly the master deal maker. The self proclaimed King of Debt can conjure up money like no one else. He'll find a way to use our money to pay off the Emirs, Sheiks and Qataris.

It's a ballroom scam on steroids. Tell you it will be paid by private donors then double the size and change order the crap out of the job and then, voila. A couple of hundred million dollars changes buckets.

In the good old days of Congressional oversight, this sort of thing would be a challenge. But with the invertebrates on the Hill today don't count out the Don.

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If that were to happen, most of us on here can count ourselves lucky that the opportunity cost of using our money would be money that formerly went to the "disproportionately impacted".

So, you should be good.

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eric76 said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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thats not happening either

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The other Middle Eastern countries are giving them $300 billion out of the goodness of their hearts?

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Money is fungible
Iran is extracting "protection" money from their neighbors
The Money from the neighbors frees up money for other uses

US & Israel was not able to
Topple the regime
Force the re-opening of the SoH or
Protect very valuable O&G assets in Qatar, UAE, etc

We got humiliated and it might get significantly worse over the next 60 days
I use the word humiliated because 60 day ago DJT was talking unconditional surrender and what we got was a MOU that might not even last 6 days

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So the GCC is allowed to invest money ($300 billion of the estimated $1 trillion needed) to rebuild infrastructure and somehow it's turning into proxy terror funding? Thats pretty fantastical. Again, as currently structured, the $300 billion is an agreement for the US to NOT SANCTION GCC countries who make an investment. It involves no US dollars.

People also decrying the lifting of oil sanctions on Iran and that funding the IRGC, rebuilding the Artesh, and funding proxies. Then it's revealed today any oil monies received from lifted sanctions will be restricted in use to purchasing food stores from US produces in order to feed Iranians.

I mean, what a ****ty deal when you dig into details and facts.

Under Trump? Nah. It'll just be added to the debt during the Trump 2 term. Just like his predecessors.

He'll cut the federal workforce (not a bad thing) and Doge (a classic government over promise / under deliver) and still crush Biden's $9.2 trillion increase and Trump 1's $7.8 trillion. At least 45 & 46 had the pandemic excuse.

But, yeah. We should be good. Nothing to see here.

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Under Trump? Nah. It'll just be added to the debt during the Trump 2 term. Just like his predecessors.

He'll cut the federal workforce (not a bad thing) and Doge (a classic government over promise / under deliver) and still crush Biden's $9.2 trillion increase and Trump 1's $7.8 trillion. At least 45 & 46 had the pandemic excuse.

But, yeah. We should be good. Nothing to see here.

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Well, it won't be added to the debt until someone can show we are actually outlaying the money for it.

But, yes, in other news he's not helping the debt problem at all and no POTUS ever will. Pointless to even discuss debt management in this country.

BusterAg said:

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Old McDonald said:

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BusterAg said:

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I am also claiming that Russia would very likely not have advanced on Ukraine with Trump in the White House.

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we're still doing this? we have more than enough evidence from the past year and a half that trump as CIC is not a deterrent to our enemies whatsoever

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i'm sure putin was quaking in his stefano ricci boots when this happened

Old McDonald said:

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BusterAg said:

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Old McDonald said:

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BusterAg said:

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I am also claiming that Russia would very likely not have advanced on Ukraine with Trump in the White House.

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we're still doing this? we have more than enough evidence from the past year and a half that trump as CIC is not a deterrent to our enemies whatsoever

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i'm sure putin was quaking in his stefano ricci boots when this happened

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Sq 17 said:

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eric76 said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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thats not happening either

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The other Middle Eastern countries are giving them $300 billion out of the goodness of their hearts?

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Money is fungible
Iran is extracting "protection" money from their neighbors
The Money from the neighbors frees up money for other uses

US & Israel was not able to
Topple the regime
Force the re-opening of the SoH or
Protect very valuable O&G assets in Qatar, UAE, etc

We got humiliated and it might get significantly worse over the next 60 days
I use the word humiliated because 60 day ago DJT was talking unconditional surrender and what we got was a MOU that might not even last 6 days

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Every single thing said in this post is false.

1939 said:

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Sq 17 said:

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eric76 said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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thats not happening either

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The other Middle Eastern countries are giving them $300 billion out of the goodness of their hearts?

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Money is fungible
Iran is extracting "protection" money from their neighbors
The Money from the neighbors frees up money for other uses

US & Israel was not able to
Topple the regime
Force the re-opening of the SoH or
Protect very valuable O&G assets in Qatar, UAE, etc

We got humiliated and it might get significantly worse over the next 60 days
I use the word humiliated because 60 day ago DJT was talking unconditional surrender and what we got was a MOU that might not even last 6 days

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Every single thing said in this post is false.

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