It's way too early to know given there is no deal yet, just a very basic agreement to keep negotiating and stop shooting.

MouthBQ98 said:

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It's way too early to know given there is no deal yet, just a very basic agreement to keep negotiating and stop shooting.

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EOT. Thanks.

better for iran? yes

I don't see how you can answer this question with anything but an emphatic "no."

We started this war without a clear path to regime change, and the IRGC and inner circle regime proved as resilient as most analysts predicted. Iran closed the strait as predicted and the economic fallout was actually much lower than predicted due to US production, alternate supply routes, and Chinese strategic reserve strength.

Meanwhile, US magazine depth is depleted, we showed a lot of new capabilities to our enemies, and gave some credibility to adversary air defense systems. The Iranian regime has successfully galvanized some degree of popular support after being attacked without provocation. It will be some time before dissident elements gain strength. And most of the Iranian missile launch sites and Shaheds remain intact.

We had to unfreeze Iranian assets to get them to the table, and had we offered that before the war, we likely could have gotten better than the current deal. And now Iran will use that capital to strengthen their position and fund terror.

This was an own-goal on so many levels.

We already have two threads on this topic. Let's kill this one.

"Are the goalposts you moved in the stadium with us now?"

Initially, I was very much against the Iran bombing. However, after 5 Presidents, all saying how bad Iran is and someone needs to do something about them, I'm reminded of Kirby Smart's 3 rules of leadership:


Love him or hate him, Trump fits those characteristics. Since the revolution of '79, those *******s have likely murdered 1000/2000 American soldierseasily.

He did what no other person, politically considered.

So yes, we're light years ahead of ANYONE in the last 47 years!

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2040huck said:

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We already have two threads on this topic. Let's kill this one.

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Which threads?

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You serious Clark?

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Yeah. Where are they?

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The two threads right below this one with 5k and 11k posts? How are you able to post and read this since you are clearly blind?

We are right now hashing and rehashing the **** out of the deal and it's been compared back to Obama's numerous times over there.

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The thread titles say nothing about this. Unlike you. I obviously dont sit around and read every post that might go under a different thread title.

2040huck said:

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YouBet said:

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2040huck said:

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We already have two threads on this topic. Let's kill this one.

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Which threads?

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You serious Clark?

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Yeah. Where are they?

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The two threads right below this one with 5k and 11k posts? How are you able to post and read this since you are clearly blind?

We are right now hashing and rehashing the **** out of the deal and it's been compared back to Obama's numerous times over there.

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The thread titles say nothing about this. Unlike you. I obviously dont sit around and read every post that might go under a different thread title.

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Flagged for calling out my addiction and obsession with TexAgs.

NeverSeenEmWin said:

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I don't see how you can answer this question with anything but an emphatic "no."

We started this war without a clear path to regime change, and the IRGC and inner circle regime proved as resilient as most analysts predicted. Iran closed the strait as predicted and the economic fallout was actually much lower than predicted due to US production, alternate supply routes, and Chinese strategic reserve strength.

Meanwhile, US magazine depth is depleted, we showed a lot of new capabilities to our enemies, and gave some credibility to adversary air defense systems. The Iranian regime has successfully galvanized some degree of popular support after being attacked without provocation. It will be some time before dissident elements gain strength. And most of the Iranian missile launch sites and Shaheds remain intact.

We had to unfreeze Iranian assets to get them to the table, and had we offered that before the war, we likely could have gotten better than the current deal. And now Iran will use that capital to strengthen their position and fund terror.

This was an own-goal on so many levels.

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NeverSeenEmWin said:

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I don't see how you can answer this question with anything but an emphatic "no."

We started this war without a clear path to regime change, and the IRGC and inner circle regime proved as resilient as most analysts predicted. Iran closed the strait as predicted and the economic fallout was actually much lower than predicted due to US production, alternate supply routes, and Chinese strategic reserve strength.

Meanwhile, US magazine depth is depleted, we showed a lot of new capabilities to our enemies, and gave some credibility to adversary air defense systems. The Iranian regime has successfully galvanized some degree of popular support after being attacked without provocation. It will be some time before dissident elements gain strength. And most of the Iranian missile launch sites and Shaheds remain intact.

We had to unfreeze Iranian assets to get them to the table, and had we offered that before the war, we likely could have gotten better than the current deal. And now Iran will use that capital to strengthen their position and fund terror.

This was an own-goal on so many levels.

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You left out that the top two - three levels of Iranian Leadership were killed.

The Iranian Air Force and Navy have been wiped out. Iranian missile forces have suffered significant losses. The Republican Guard has taken a beating and lost lots of their leadership. The Iranian Nuclear Program has probably been halted and knocked backwards by maybe a decade.

Iran has suffered billions of dollars worth of damage that needs to be repaired. We tried to keep the damages to a minimum too. We purposefully avoided striking Oil, Electric and Water Systems. So we could have done lots more.

The Iranian Economy is in shambles after months of zero oil exports. So rebuilding is going to take a long time.

If anything I would say it was a draw. But, living in Iran is now a pretty miserable existance and the population is not happy which is not good for any regime.

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We already have two threads on this topic. Let's kill this one.

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Who is forcing you to click on threads?

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Meanwhile, US magazine depth is depleted

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20+ years in Iraq and Afganistan didn't deplete "magazine depth" yet 2 month in Iran did.

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MouthBQ98 said:

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It's way too early to know given there is no deal yet, just a very basic agreement to keep negotiating and stop shooting.

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Use the facts that you have so far

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let's put it this way: if it were better, or even close to being better, many posters would be confidently declaring it. that the strongest argument in favor of the new one so far is "who knows? let's wait and see" should tell us all we need to know.

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MouthBQ98 said:

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It's way too early to know given there is no deal yet, just a very basic agreement to keep negotiating and stop shooting.

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Use the facts that you have so far

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OK.

Fact 1: There is no DEAL right now.

Fact 2: It's very hard to tell you if this DEAL is better when it doesn't exist.

NeverSeenEmWin said:

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I don't see how you can answer this question with anything but an emphatic "no."

We started this war without a clear path to regime change, and the IRGC and inner circle regime proved as resilient as most analysts predicted. Iran closed the strait as predicted and the economic fallout was actually much lower than predicted due to US production, alternate supply routes, and Chinese strategic reserve strength.

Meanwhile, US magazine depth is depleted, we showed a lot of new capabilities to our enemies, and gave some credibility to adversary air defense systems. The Iranian regime has successfully galvanized some degree of popular support after being attacked without provocation. It will be some time before dissident elements gain strength. And most of the Iranian missile launch sites and Shaheds remain intact.

We had to unfreeze Iranian assets to get them to the table, and had we offered that before the war, we likely could have gotten better than the current deal. And now Iran will use that capital to strengthen their position and fund terror.

This was an own-goal on so many levels.

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Credibility to their ADS?

Kuwait shot down more airplanes in a friendly fire incident than Iran did in 21,500 sorties flown by the US and IDF.

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NeverSeenEmWin said:

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I don't see how you can answer this question with anything but an emphatic "no."

We started this war without a clear path to regime change, and the IRGC and inner circle regime proved as resilient as most analysts predicted. Iran closed the strait as predicted and the economic fallout was actually much lower than predicted due to US production, alternate supply routes, and Chinese strategic reserve strength.

Meanwhile, US magazine depth is depleted, we showed a lot of new capabilities to our enemies, and gave some credibility to adversary air defense systems. The Iranian regime has successfully galvanized some degree of popular support after being attacked without provocation. It will be some time before dissident elements gain strength. And most of the Iranian missile launch sites and Shaheds remain intact.

We had to unfreeze Iranian assets to get them to the table, and had we offered that before the war, we likely could have gotten better than the current deal. And now Iran will use that capital to strengthen their position and fund terror.

This was an own-goal on so many levels.

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You left out that the top two - three levels of Iranian Leadership were killed.

The Iranian Air Force and Navy have been wiped out. Iranian missile forces have suffered significant losses. The Republican Guard has taken a beating and lost lots of their leadership. The Iranian Nuclear Program has probably been halted and knocked backwards by maybe a decade.

Iran has suffered billions of dollars worth of damage that needs to be repaired. We tried to keep the damages to a minimum too. We purposefully avoided striking Oil, Electric and Water Systems. So we could have done lots more.

The Iranian Economy is in shambles after months of zero oil exports. So rebuilding is going to take a long time.

If anything I would say it was a draw. But, living in Iran is now a pretty miserable existance and the population is not happy which is not good for any regime.

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"We had more first downs, total yards, and fewer penalties! We won!!"
"Yeah, you also had four turnovers and lost 28-17."

2040huck said:

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What new advantage have we gained?

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Iran's military capabilities have been obliterated, they cannot hold the ME hostage with their ballistic missile arsenal so that they can build a nuke, and the straight is open.

So, yeah, its light-years better.

The straight was open beforehand.