I think we can all agree that the "fracture" in the right is not organic and most likely is being funded and pushed by globalists to try and usurp the gains made from those who would like to throw them out on their butts. For example you have all these podcasters, politicians, and others who were "right leaning" in the 2024 cycle. Suddenly they are throwing tantrums over anything that the right tries to do. i.e. Megan Kelly, Tucker Carlson, Shawn Ryan, MTG, Massie et al. So it is now becoming clear what the game is. They are trying to coopt the independent media sphere for their own purposes. All of this talk of a "new center" being created from the horseshoe extremes gives it away.

but that is not what they are doing. it is not a matter of distancing, they are trying to coopt the extremes to "create a new middle". it is pretty obvious at this point. I personally believe they have completely misread everything but they are trying to bring what they lost control over back under their sway

This is outlier edge lords fighting to corner the biggest portion of the conspiratorial extreme as they can. The constant conspiracy narratives dtaw attention and feed confirmation biases and envy biases. There are also a bunch of mostly overseas politicsl interests that see an opportunity to easily exploit and manipulate this fraction of the right with propaganda narratives. The left does its part to help foment yhis because they can see what the foreign iinterests and the edge lords see:

The margin of victory and defeat in US politics is 1-2% in national elections or in the balance of power in congress. This means 3-4% of the conservative grouping is critical and carry more influence and weight in election outcomes than they otherwise would in the past. The media podcast edge lords want to seek influence and self promote by being able to manipulate yhis more highly visible and online audience demographic and the foreign and Democrat propagandists want to wedge this group off to get the corrupt internationalist Democrats and their fraud money machine back in power.

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but that is not what they are doing. it is not a matter of distancing, they are trying to coopt the extremes to "create a new middle". it is pretty obvious at this point. I personally believe they have completely misread everything but they are trying to bring what they lost control over back under their sway

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It's also nonsensical that they are trying to "create a new middle" when the Republican Party is already the middle. There is nothing at all extreme about the R's at this point.

I really think they are almost in a panic because they were not able to coopt the America First/MAGA like they did with the tea party on the right. They are trying to undermine it another way so that the margin is taken out and they can install the ones who would reinstate the globalist machine that was previously running.

Incidental, but I don't think I want to see what happens if the globalist machine stops running

New middle isn't the best name. It's more like an alliance of convenience to mutually try to seize outsize influence in politics.

What does PTB stand for

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Incidental, but I don't think I want to see what happens if the globalist machine stops running

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Why? It would be glorious!

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What does PTB stand for

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The powers that be

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Incidental, but I don't think I want to see what happens if the globalist machine stops running

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ill believe you if you have unlocked screen doors and windows and a "welcome all " sign at your front door - open border supporters always stop short of their property line. What creature comforts do you need that can't be supplied from the US?

The establishment media (all of them) has been run by the "ptb" since before WWI.

Don't agree with you at all. Those you listed (at least most of them) are actual small government conservatives. You and the other people still supporting this admin are the globalists.

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I think we can all agree that the "fracture" in the right is not organic and most likely is being funded and pushed by globalists to try and usurp the gains made from those who would like to throw them out on their butts. For example you have all these podcasters, politicians, and others who were "right leaning" in the 2024 cycle. Suddenly they are throwing tantrums over anything that the right tries to do. i.e. Megan Kelly, Tucker Carlson, Shawn Ryan, MTG, Massie et al. So it is now becoming clear what the game is. They are trying to coopt the independent media sphere for their own purposes. All of this talk of a "new center" being created from the horseshoe extremes gives it away.

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It is very odd. Kelly, Carlson, Ryan, MTG and the lot were Trump's biggest cheerleaders just two years ago.
Candace Owens is clearly being paid by someone as well. They killed Charlie and then used our supposed own people to try to destroy us from within.
Never underestimate the deviousness of the left. They outwit us at nearly every turn.

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I think it's natural that voices in right wing media (and probably eventually within the party) are going to try to creat some distance between themselves and Trump as his remaining years in office dwindle and his popularity ebbs. It's positioning for 2028; I don't think there's much need to read something more conspiratorial into it than that.

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Underestimate the scheming of the left at your peril.

yep

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Don't agree with you at all. Those you listed (at least most of them) are actual small government conservatives. You and the other people still supporting this admin are the globalists.

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Exactly. MTG, Tucker et al have not detoured from the MAGA principles. Trump did. Then we were told that original MAGA are not MAGA. It makes one understand how deep the swamp is and how much our elected representatives are controlled.

It's quite funny. Quite insane.

you hit the nail on the head. Carlson and others last year started to become subtle mouth pieces for Hamas and Iran. It's no longer subtle and they are out right cheering for America to fail now.


what's insane is that so many ignore reality and keep eating up these lies no matter how often they are exposed. Shows it's something much deeper. Not sure what that "something" is, but it's a problem for sure with these types

takes a special delusion to think parroting klaus Schwab and carrying water for Muslim terrorists is "America first"

I really don't care what others think at this point. I believe they're right and their positions are consistent with MAGA principles, and I think your side of the party is comprised of corrupt globalists and neocons that have sold out our country. I'm not changing my mind.

Edit to add: and there are a lot of us.

This entire situation is kind of bizarre to me. I would agree that Tucker, MTG, and Massie were originally small government advocates based on comments and votes I saw from them early on. But somewhere along the way Tucker and Massie (especially) got weird and started saying some crazy stuff and then Massie starts voting against his own original principles.

MTG seems like she's mostly stayed in her original lane (which was always bombastic and combative), but I've also seen a few posts of hers that were off the wall out of character as well.

Having said all of that, I never really followed any of these people other than when someone posts something of theirs on here. I really have no idea what to think of any of them as I was never intellectually invested in them.

The secondary characters in this play - Candace Owens, Fuentes, others - I've never considered serious people and have no idea what they really stand for other than grifting and shock jocking.

there's not as many of you as you think. I'll see if I can find it but the numbers for several of the "dissident" right is being propped up by viewers/farms in countries like India, Pakistan, and several others

Calling normal people thousands of miles away Muslim terrorists is absolute insanity. The average person in Iran, North Korea, Russia, China, etc, etc are just like we are, trying to raise their family and do the best they can. The average person in Iran doesn't give a dogs fart about me just like I don't about them. They've already got plenty of problems, they aren't saying Death to America like that would do them any good. More of them might be after we bombed their school and killed their kids though.


Do bad things happen other places, yes absolutely. They also happen here.

The true terrorists are governments and the leaders of Countries. They're all corrupt and evil. Ours is as bad as any of them, they've just perfected the con more than most.

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I think it's natural that voices in right wing media (and probably eventually within the party) are going to try to creat some distance between themselves and Trump as his remaining years in office dwindle and his popularity ebbs. It's positioning for 2028; I don't think there's much need to read something more conspiratorial into it than that.

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Yes, we need to become more "moderate" and win like we did with McCain and Romney. Forget that Trump got the most votes for an R presidential candidate in HISTORY!

LOL at the concerned moderates and libs giving advice on the future of the GOP!

except they are not 1000s of miles away...they are in Dearborn, Minneapolis and other sanctuary cities building their base and funding it all through fraud right here in the good ol USA. Look at the UK now...we are less than 10 years behind them of we maintain our current course. I'm gonna stick with the ones who are actually fighting to get rid of them. Send them all home. Everyone else is throwing up roadblocks to that. And in the case of the mouthpieces yall are defending actually supporting sharia here in the US

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Calling normal people thousands of miles away Muslim terrorists is absolute insanity.

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there's not as many of you as you think. I'll see if I can find it but the numbers for several of the "dissident" right is being propped up by viewers/farms in countries like India, Pakistan, and several others

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Good. Then yall have nothing to worry about. Maybe with this acknowledgement that it's all astroturf, we can dispense with the daily Muh Tucker is bad threads and posts.

I'm gonna point out cancerous ideas as they pop up. in the case of Tucker his stance on Islam is introduce pancreatic cancer into the US.

Great way to run out of other peoples money fusval liberals like trump, the dems, most of the current gop etc seem intent on doing.

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I'm gonna point out cancerous ideas as they pop up. in the case of Tucker his stance on Islam is introduce pancreatic cancer into the US.

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What is his stance? I don't know.

he has come out in support of Islam and letting them have sharia law in their areas and goaltending for the whole religion of peace bullcrap