His stance is that Islam can promote family values and morality better than globohomo. People don't recognize this as a condemnation of leftist destruction but instead think he's championing Islam.

You can't dumb down your arguments for mouth breathers.

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His stance is that Islam can promote family values and morality better than globohomo.

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Well, that's an utterly ridiculous stance. Lol.

How about both being bad? This isn't a binary choice he has to make.

except Islam is anything but installing family values. everywhere they go rape gangs appear...the fun boys and rape of minors appears. Islam is EVIL. always has been

Based on the news I read every day, our corrupt leftist society isn't doing much better. Kids are still getting raped. Pride month will be a month long display of perversion.

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except they are not 1000s of miles away...they are in Dearborn, Minneapolis and other sanctuary cities building their base and funding it all through fraud right here in the good ol USA. Look at the UK now...we are less than 10 years behind them of we maintain our current course. I'm gonna stick with the ones who are actually fighting to get rid of them. Send them all home. Everyone else is throwing up roadblocks to that. And in the case of the mouthpieces yall are defending actually supporting sharia here in the US

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I agree that Sharia law should not be allowed to become law in the United States of America, and because of our Constitution it won't be. That does not mean that I think every day Muslims are my enemy or that they're terrorists though. There are Christians that believe abhorrent things that I don't agree with or accept either.

My only enemy is big government.

You don't think that the values presented by one of the great religions is superior to the destruction and filth inherent in leftism? No one is saying that Islam is a better alternative to Christianity or other religions…just saying it's certainly better than leftist degeneracy.

Tucker isn't advocating for Sharia law.

and that is crumbling. the fatigue with all of that is off the charts. introducing Islam to fight that is like letting Lenin out of a German prison and sending him back to Russia to get them out of ww1. It will be a moster that will take violence to put down. as we are seeing all across Europe. They are just letting it eat them.

I don't think he's advocating for Islam. I'm not a fan of Islam. And he is completely opposed to the destruction of Europe by Islam. He's only pointing out what the west has become: crumbling cities, corrupt politicians, degeneracy and destruction of the nuclear family.

I think we had a bit of a respite from 2020-2022, but it's going to come back with a fervor. We are all just one generation away from a Marxist revolution .

both of you have your heads in the sand about Islam. the ones not doing the killing support those who are. it is extremely easy to see those who have never really looked into or know the history of Islam

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You don't think that the values presented by one of the great religions is superior to the destruction and filth inherent in leftism? No one is saying that Islam is a better alternative to Christianity or other religions…just saying it's certainly better than leftist degeneracy.

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The religion that wants to murder or oppress the rest of the world because their book tells them to? Uh, no.

Are you paying attention at all to when they gather in large US cities or what they preach in cities where they have attained the majority? How about Europe? Rape gangs, Sharia law no go zones, oppression of women, etc.

IMO, they both get my derision and are equally destructive in their own ways. Although, we actually have several gay friends who I have much more in common with than the murderous death cult of Islam. I can be friends with them while not agreeing with their politics.

I can't really be friends with Muslims knowing they are simply biding their time to kill or enslave the rest of us or stand by letting it happen.

Again, this isn't a binary choice that Tucker or you have to even make, but I guess the "PTB"s position is now to promote Islam as a better alternative than globohomo? That's a wildly absurd and irresponsible take. You are choosing the destruction of your culture by the sword rather than cultural rot.

I choose neither.

Again, I don't think Tucker is taking the position that Islam is the way. If he did, I'd reject him. He's illustrating what the west has become. He's not saying Islam will save the west - quite to the contrary, he regularly discussing how Islam has infected the west.

He did the same thing with Russia.

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Again, I don't think Tucker is taking the position that Islam is the way. If he did, I'd reject him. He's illustrating what the west has become. He's not saying Islam will save the west - quite to the contrary, he regularly discussing how Islam has infected the west.

He did the same thing with Russia.

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Ok, but I don't think trying to make a distinction that Islam is the lesser of evils vs leftist degeneracy is a good argument or point to even make. Doing so is likely one example of why people have castigated him of late.

It's an irrelevant distinction, without merit, and is simply an own goal. Two different paths; same outcome - destruction of American culture.

it's all coincidence that his 15mm seed money for the Tucker Carlson network came from a Muslim man. I'm sure that's all it is.

I'd love to see an insider expose' on how these influencer channels get influenced.

I think it's a very safe bet that as much as there is conspiracy behind this clown show, it is funded and driven by foreign adversaries.

I do believe that solvent, rational discussion and examination by actual voters is the remedy for this insanity. Want some solid anchoring? Go read the Federalist Papers (public domain FWIW). Or go ask Gemini or ChatGPT what the Federalist Papers would have said about any issue in news. e.g. I asked about Trump's tariff policies w.r.t. the FPs and got a really good answer.

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The only honest media personality was Rush.
All the others are actors who "picked a side" to gain the "rebublican" viewers and money.

I trust no one.

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First of all, no one in politics and especially podcasters, are honest. Everyone is controlled to some extent.
It's been revealed that WFB had CIA ties and his job was to drive the anti-war movement out of the Republican party. Rush was his successor, and did a good job of convincing a lot of young men to go die in the middle east.

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it's all coincidence that his 15mm seed money for the Tucker Carlson network came from a Muslim man. I'm sure that's all it is.

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But we are perfectly ok with our representatives taking money from foreign lobby groups. "Ahhh…that's no big deal! It has nothing to do with the way they vote". It's just all a coincidence that we've been at war in the ME for the last 40 years.

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it's all coincidence that his 15mm seed money for the Tucker Carlson network came from a Muslim man. I'm sure that's all it is.

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But we are perfectly ok with our representatives taking money from foreign lobby groups. "Ahhh…that's no big deal! It has nothing to do with the way they vote". It's just all a coincidence that we've been at war in the ME for the last 40 years.

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I don't think anyone on here is going to justify the money in the system. Always follow the money regardless of who it is or what their party might be.

All of that being equal (because it likely is) someone trying to argue the benefits of Islam over a separate, culturally destructive movement is simply idiotic and unnecessary. And if he's doing so because he's now being paid by a Muslim country then that simply validates that he's for sale for that particular issue.

I've wanted all foreign money out of elections forever. I cant do anything about that. But I can point out where shifts happen in the independent media and point out where that happened and possible motives. I can actually have a chance of making a difference there. Evil never rests. I used to support Shawn Ryan quite a bit. But he has gotten a bit sidetracked. His CIA ties give me pause and always have. Will wait and see how his progression goes. But Tucker and Candace and others have gone completely rogue to what they were. That deserves calling them out

I see Tucker Carlson and other media or former media members as *****s who sell their voice to whoever will pay. MTG is an ousted politician trying to regain the power,voice that she lost after being ousted. Whoever writes her Wikipedia page is not a fan.

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I think we can all agree that the "fracture" in the right is not organic and most likely is being funded and pushed by globalists to try and usurp the gains made from those who would like to throw them out on their butts. For example you have all these podcasters, politicians, and others who were "right leaning" in the 2024 cycle.

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Totally believable. We're talking about the same people (SPLC, George Clooney, etc) who funded the white supremacist movement in order to create a premise to fight it and gain public sympathy for the Democrats.

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I think we can all agree that the "fracture" in the right is not organic and most likely is being funded and pushed by globalists to try and usurp the gains made from those who would like to throw them out on their butts. For example you have all these podcasters, politicians, and others who were "right leaning" in the 2024 cycle.

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Totally believable. We're talking about the same people (SPLC, George Clooney, etc) who funded the white supremacist movement in order to create a premise to fight it and gain public sympathy for the Democrats.

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Logic and history would dictate (SPLC is the most recent example) that the left will do everything in its power to infiltrate organizations and institutions and destroy them from the inside. It's the entire premise of Cloward Piven and it's been massively successful in this country via academics, government, media, and entertainment.

Conservative political institutions are no more immune to this than anything else.

I'm trying to understand this theory. They are supporting leftism by promoting traditional conservative values and questioning neocon/globalist/leftist positions? I've heard of 4D chess, but this is something else.

Could not the alternative be that the left has infiltrated the mainstream GOP? Because at this point all I'm seeing from mainstream GOP is protection of corruption/predators, bigger government and more wars.

We are literally saying that you promised us conservative america first values and that you've rejected them.

they are trying to create division to the point that one faction or the other will not vote for the other. it's not that hard to understand.

the no true Scottsman mindset has killed many groundswell conservstive/right-wing movements

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I'm trying to understand this theory. They are supporting leftism by promoting traditional conservative values and questioning neocon/globalist/leftist positions? I've heard of 4D chess, but this is something else.

Could not the alternative be that the left has infiltrated the mainstream GOP? Because at this point all I'm seeing from mainstream GOP is protection of corruption/predators, bigger government and more wars.

We are literally saying that you promised us conservative america first values and that you've rejected them.

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I'm not sure I understand your first paragraph. Who is they?

Absolutely the left could have (or has) infiltrated the mainstream GOP. It's only ever moved left by compromising with the Democrats. I think anyone who calls the Republican Party the extreme right is obviously lying or is so stupid it's pointless to even converse with them.

I'm not really arguing for the Republican Party though. I'm just commenting on this PTB group and the strangeness of it. They are a weird group taking positions on things that are also against American interests. Massey was voting with the Democrats on some issues towards the end simply out of spite, it looks like. There is nothing small government conservative about that.

Fair enough, but the only ones deviating from the promises that got Trump elected is the mainstream GOP. So why can't the argument be made that the mainstream GOP is the Manchurian candidate?

have you seen the rino record in primaries? what do you think a 30 point beat down of the number 2 senate republican means?

'....his popularity ebbs'

I laughed.

"They" in my first paragraph is whoever under this theory is allegedly causing the rift.

Massie is the same as he's ever been. People like to use opposition to these huge bills as evidence of opposition to the party. If there's a huge bill that promotes sexual mutilation of children, abortion funding and government overreach but also contains some pro-conservative policies, my vote against it doesn't mean I'm voting against the pro-conservative policies.

It's selective analysis, and I think that's why Congress loves these bills. We need to go back to bills that address a singular topic.

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"They" in my first paragraph is whoever under this theory is allegedly causing the rift.

Massie is the same as he's ever been. People like to use opposition to these huge bills as evidence of opposition to the party. If there's a huge bill that promotes sexual mutilation of children, abortion funding and government overreach but also contains some pro-conservative policies, my vote against it doesn't mean I'm voting against the pro-conservative policies.

It's selective analysis, and I think that's why Congress loves these bills. We need to go back to bills that address a singular topic.

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Absolutely on that. That alone would prolong the Republic.

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I'm trying to understand this theory. They are supporting leftism by promoting traditional conservative values and questioning neocon/globalist/leftist positions? I've heard of 4D chess, but this is something else.

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...at this point all I'm seeing from mainstream GOP is protection of corruption / predators, bigger government and more wars.

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Bingo.

It is always fascinating to read f16 and see so many ardent Trump supporters with blinders on who naively refuse to see what has been obvious for decades. The Global Elite class has people who only pretend to be lefties and rightwingers. Trump is one of the Global Elite class. He isn't a conservative. He isn't a liberal. Global Elitism isn't about liberalism or conservatism. It is a game of power, ego, and wealth. Trump understands Putin, Xi, MBS, Bibi, Elon, Soros, Bezos, Larry Ellison, Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, and they understand him. Trump's SecTreas Scott Bessent worked for Soros and then partnered with Soros for many years. Bessent hasn't changed. The same things that motivated him when he and Soros worked together still motivate him.

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The only honest media personality was Rush.
All the others are actors who "picked a side" to gain the "rebublican" viewers and money.

I trust no one.

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I listen to Victor Davis Hansen and that's about it

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I'm trying to understand this theory. They are supporting leftism by promoting traditional conservative values and questioning neocon/globalist/leftist positions? I've heard of 4D chess, but this is something else.

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...at this point all I'm seeing from mainstream GOP is protection of corruption / predators, bigger government and more wars.

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Bingo.

It is always fascinating to read f16 and see so many ardent Trump supporters with blinders on who naively refuse to see what has been obvious for decades. The Global Elite class has people who only pretend to be lefties and rightwingers. Trump is one of the Global Elite class. He isn't a conservative. He isn't a liberal. Global Elitism isn't about liberalism or conservatism. It is a game of power, ego, and wealth. Trump understands Putin, Xi, MBS, Bibi, Elon, Soros, Bezos, Larry Ellison, Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, and they understand him. Trump's SecTreas Scott Bessent worked for Soros and then partnered with Soros for many years. Bessent hasn't changed. The same things that motivated him when he and Soros worked together still motivate him.

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What in the world are you talking about?!

LOLOLOLOL, Trump is not part of the global elite!. He's hated by them! That's why the old guard in the GOP opposes him. They are part of the global elite!

He's America first and a nationalist. That's why the left accuses him of being a fascist! A global elitist doesn't tariff the hell out of nations around the globe! A global elitist doesn't threaten to leave NATO. A global elitist doesn't leave the WHO. A global elitist doesn't go to the UN and chew out Europe!

He's the exact opposite of a global elitist!

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The only honest media personality was Rush.
All the others are actors who "picked a side" to gain the "rebublican" viewers and money.

I trust no one.

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I listen to Victor Davis Hansen and that's about it

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Hansen is one of the smartest dudes I've ever listened to. His command of history and his clear, logical thinking is astounding.

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I'm trying to understand this theory. They are supporting leftism by promoting traditional conservative values and questioning neocon/globalist/leftist positions? I've heard of 4D chess, but this is something else.

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...at this point all I'm seeing from mainstream GOP is protection of corruption / predators, bigger government and more wars.

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Bingo.

It is always fascinating to read f16 and see so many ardent Trump supporters with blinders on who naively refuse to see what has been obvious for decades. The Global Elite class has people who only pretend to be lefties and rightwingers. Trump is one of the Global Elite class. He isn't a conservative. He isn't a liberal. Global Elitism isn't about liberalism or conservatism. It is a game of power, ego, and wealth. Trump understands Putin, Xi, MBS, Bibi, Elon, Soros, Bezos, Larry Ellison, Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, and they understand him. Trump's SecTreas Scott Bessent worked for Soros and then partnered with Soros for many years. Bessent hasn't changed. The same things that motivated him when he and Soros worked together still motivate him.

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What in the world are you talking about?!

LOLOLOLOL, Trump is not part of the global elite!. He's hated by them! That's why the old guard in the GOP opposes him. They are part of the global elite!

He's America first and a nationalist. That's why the left accuses him of being a fascist! A global elitist doesn't tariff the hell out of nations around the globe! A global elitist doesn't threaten to leave NATO. A global elitist doesn't leave the WHO. A global elitist doesn't go to the UN and chew out Europe!

He's the exact opposite of a global elitist!

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Yeah, that's an absurd take. The guy that is currently taking apart Bretton Woods which is the basis of globalism is a global elitist? Ok, sure.

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Based on the news I read every day, our corrupt leftist society isn't doing much better. Kids are still getting raped. Pride month will be a month long display of perversion.

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what an absolutely bizarre take - you are OK with Islamic rape because it is going to happen anyways ? Your TDS is off the charts