H-1B Crackdown Erodes a Texas Real Estate Boom

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EclipseAg said:

njohn87 said:

They are our guests.

Guests don't take over your house, run you out of town, then invite all their brothers and cousins and grandparents to move into your place.

The cronyism, fraud and downright deceptive hiring practices that we see across multiple industries today have destroyed job prospects for hundreds of thousands of citizens -- or more -- and especially young graduates. They've done more than take advantage of the invitation to come here; they've manipulated the rules to benefit their own people at the expense of Americans.

I agree with most of what njohn87 says and I work and live among some very awesome people from India, but as a group it's undeniable that they do openly discriminate (remember, they are not that far removed from the caste system), they do take jobs from capable American citizens who attend same or better insitutions, and they do commit, at a massive scale, credential/visa fraud.

The lie about how we "can only achieve this success with Indians" is complete nonsense. There are hungry, young, talented Americans that should be preferred over Indians in almost every case.

Sure, bring the talent here, if you cant find it domestically. But offering H1-Bs for pickleball instructors? That's absolutely insane and completely not what the visa was created for in the first place.
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flown-the-coop said:

Due Process is nothing more than "your H-1B visa has been revoked and you are subject to deportation". Yes it's that easy and it's according to our law and provides for sufficient due process through the application and revocation process.


If it were that simple, Stephen Miller would have had Trump do it on day 1. Why haven't we seen mass deportations of H1Bs to date? That says it's far more complicated than a simple notice.
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YouBet said:

flown-the-coop said:

I worked with GenPact in the mid oughts and also fully understand the issues and inefficiencies and the failure in most all instances to maintain same standards at a reduced costs.

I am also aware of more recent successes of outsourcing to Latin America and the Philippines and similar.

Where the other guy was wrong is on their assessment of a "low IQ population with fake education" as the driver. Other than being obtuse and derogatory, it's simply not true.


Well, it doesn't help when the Indian academic scene is a known, prolific diploma mill. When I would hire for analyst and tech roles on my team here is the breakdown of resumes I got and it was extremely consistent in this regard. For every 10 resumes it would be:

7 - Indians with Masters or Doctorates from Hyderabad
2 - Chinese with Master or Doctorates from wherever
1 - American with Bachelors



My son did an Engineering masters and his class had several Indians in it. The prof would remind the students to not cheat before the test was handed out because they did. My son said they didn't have enough knowledge to be in the program. Schools take these international students to charge the maximum tuition amount.
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BharatAg said:

flown-the-coop said:

Due Process is nothing more than "your H-1B visa has been revoked and you are subject to deportation". Yes it's that easy and it's according to our law and provides for sufficient due process through the application and revocation process.


If it were that simple, Stephen Miller would have had Trump do it on day 1. Why haven't we seen mass deportations of H1Bs to date? That says it's far more complicated than a simple notice.


Or, it's intentionally being avoided.

At the very minimum, Trump and others in DC (not Dems, obviously) could be clamoring for this to get done like they did immigration and ICE.

If an EO can't be done, and the GOP doesn't have the votes, they could at least pretend to put up a fight. That is, assuming they actually want change.

Anyone else notice that aside from ICE raids nothing is being brought up to try and change immigration legislation so the next republican POTUS doesn't have to clean up the left's illegals mess again in the future?
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No Spin Ag said:

BharatAg said:

flown-the-coop said:

Due Process is nothing more than "your H-1B visa has been revoked and you are subject to deportation". Yes it's that easy and it's according to our law and provides for sufficient due process through the application and revocation process.


If it were that simple, Stephen Miller would have had Trump do it on day 1. Why haven't we seen mass deportations of H1Bs to date? That says it's far more complicated than a simple notice.


Or, it's intentionally being avoided.

At the very minimum, Trump and others in DC (not Dems, obviously) could be clamoring for this to get done like they did immigration and ICE.

If an EO can't be done, and the GOP doesn't have the votes, they could at least pretend to put up a fight. That is, assuming they actually want change.

Anyone else notice that aside from ICE raids nothing is being brought up to try and change immigration legislation so the next republican POTUS doesn't have to clean up the left's illegals mess again in the future?


They all want serfdom.
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DannyDuberstein said:

Yep, shut off the visa spigot. Companies will still send work there, but I'm not concerned about that work. They'll save a few bucks, get subpar work, and life will go on.


then tax their asses. If a company hires in India, they pay 200% in taxes on the salary paid. Else they can GTFO and have their HQ in India.
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njohn87 said:

Yeah I think it's an important to take a step back and try to separate criticism of the policy from criticism of the people. I think there are a lot of valid criticisms of H1-B, that it is being used more for wage suppression than to address actual labor shortcomings. But let's please acknowledge that the people coming over on those visas are just taking advantage of a good opportunity. They are not invaders; they have been invited by their employers and by our government. They are our guests. I would have hoped this "they are aliens, they are dirty, and I want them the f out of my neighboorhood" kind of rhetoric could've remained a relic of the past.


I'm sure you also believe that racism is a thing of the past. It's there everywhere even now.
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How about no H1Bs with >0% domestic unemployment?
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Having a lot of available housing to attract HQs moving from blue cities like Seattle, Portland and LA is a good thing.
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Some good points and we do get a lot of the Indians moving here who are in their 'upper crust' so to speak but the national GDP is still around $3K/year, so the overall poverty/education rates are not quite '1st world' I would still say.

I also theorize that a vast majority of Americans don't understand the history of islamic depradations vs. Indians (often simplified to Pakistani vs. Indian 'rivalry.'). I don't claim to understand all of it either but I would favor zero islamic immigration period, and none from Pakistan/Bangladesh in particular vs. focusing on Indian visa holders, personally (not that this is a dichotomy for Americans).

Anyway, thx for the post.
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njohn87 said:

Is there a reason that North Texas's Indian population is such a source of anxiety this election cycle? I feel like I never heard much complaint until this year.
people love blaming immigrants for their sorry lot in life, only natural they'd eventually direct their ire against the country's most financially successful minority group
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Cold McDonalds said:

njohn87 said:

Is there a reason that North Texas's Indian population is such a source of anxiety this election cycle? I feel like I never heard much complaint until this year.

people love blaming immigrants for their sorry lot in life, only natural they'd eventually direct their ire against the country's most financially successful minority group


The reality is people have problem with the scamming that is going on. Most people (except for a few racists/xenophobes) are not against any minority group. Indian bodyshop companies are misusing the system to push people in who end up sending money out. We lose, our kids cannot get jobs in high paying fields (hence the advice to do HVAC and become plumbers) and the money they make is sent outside the country, not in our own economy.
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The post-Civil Rights integration mindset (a great creation that did in fact move mountains, over a half-century ago) has no good faith relevance to this discussion.

The hard truth is that this is all lipstick on the 900lb feral pig of demographic decline among industrialized countries. Immigrant populations that vehemently and conspicuously resist integration only emphasize the deeper issue.

Just like Ukraine is ahead of us in drone defense tech due to recent tribulations within their borders
the UK is ahead of is refreshing the immigration dialogue due to recent tribulations within their borders.
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Fatboy Thaddeus said:

The post-Civil Rights integration mindset (a great creation that did in fact move mountains, over a half-century ago) has no good faith relevance to this discussion.

The hard truth is that this is all lipstick on the 900lb feral pig of demographic decline among industrialized countries. Immigrant populations that vehemently and conspicuously resist integration only emphasize the deeper issue.

Just like Ukraine is ahead of us in drone defense tech due to recent tribulations within their borders
the UK is ahead of is refreshing the immigration dialogue due to recent tribulations within their borders.

Are you referring to Reform Party promises?
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tuaca93 said:

... and have also met some amazing folks from India.


This is where many Americans get hung up. Immigration is not a micro issue, about whether or not some immigrants are law-abiding or family-oriented or bring good food.

It's a macro issue.

Sure, there are amazing folks from India. Just like there are from England or Nigeria or China or wherever.

Doesn't mean they belong here, taking jobs and housing from Americans. Doesn't mean we need their culture or values or need to be overwhelmed by their numbers.
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EclipseAg said:

tuaca93 said:

... and have also met some amazing folks from India.


This is where many Americans get hung up. Immigration is not a micro issue, about whether or not some immigrants are law-abiding or family-oriented or bring good food.

It's a macro issue.

Sure, there are amazing folks from India. Just like there are from England or Nigeria or China or wherever.

Doesn't mean they belong here, taking jobs and housing from Americans. Doesn't mean we need their culture or values or need to be overwhelmed by their numbers.

Exactly. Individual good people from these countries are irrelevant. WGAS.
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EclipseAg said:

tuaca93 said:

... and have also met some amazing folks from India.


This is where many Americans get hung up. Immigration is not a micro issue, about whether or not some immigrants are law-abiding or family-oriented or bring good food.

It's a macro issue.

Sure, there are amazing folks from India. Just like there are from England or Nigeria or China or wherever.

Doesn't mean they belong here, taking jobs and housing from Americans. Doesn't mean we need their culture or values or need to be overwhelmed by their numbers.

Then, shouldn't the anger be directed at those who are the actual cause of this - the corporations?

Or is it easier to go after those groups because they happen to not look and act like us, so we'll give the current government and every American who hires them a pass?
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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exactly. these companies are offering them six figure salaries to move themselves and their families to the greatest state in the greatest country on earth, opportunities billions of people could only dream of, and we're supposed to be mad at them for saying yes?
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No Spin Ag said:

EclipseAg said:

tuaca93 said:

... and have also met some amazing folks from India.


This is where many Americans get hung up. Immigration is not a micro issue, about whether or not some immigrants are law-abiding or family-oriented or bring good food.

It's a macro issue.

Sure, there are amazing folks from India. Just like there are from England or Nigeria or China or wherever.

Doesn't mean they belong here, taking jobs and housing from Americans. Doesn't mean we need their culture or values or need to be overwhelmed by their numbers.

Then, shouldn't the anger be directed at those who are the actual cause of this - the corporations?

Or is it easier to go after those groups because they happen to not look and act like us, so we'll give the current government and every American who hires them a pass?


The government and corporations. Corporations are using a program to cut their own costs which they will always do because making a profit and shareholder value are always and should be the #1 thing they pursue. Problem is that doesn't always jive with having a good company culture or in the employee's best interest.

All government has to do is stop the visa programs and this bull**** is largely curtailed.
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EclipseAg said:

tuaca93 said:

... and have also met some amazing folks from India.


This is where many Americans get hung up. Immigration is not a micro issue, about whether or not some immigrants are law-abiding or family-oriented or bring good food.

It's a macro issue.

Sure, there are amazing folks from India. Just like there are from England or Nigeria or China or wherever.

Doesn't mean they belong here, taking jobs and housing from Americans. Doesn't mean we need their culture or values or need to be overwhelmed by their numbers.


100%

A lot of folks here are confused and think that we all must support legal immigration. Why? We don't have to. I am against all illegal immigration and at this point in time I would like to stop all legal immigration as well until things settle down.

Every now and then someone holds up the example of some H1B like the Perplexity CEO who created his company and created x'000 jobs and says "see? We need H1B because if not we would not have him and Elon Musk". Who gives an F. Musk and Perplexity guy can stay in their own countries, if they were that good they would make it everywhere.
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Nm

I'm Gipper
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No Spin Ag said:

EclipseAg said:

tuaca93 said:

... and have also met some amazing folks from India.


This is where many Americans get hung up. Immigration is not a micro issue, about whether or not some immigrants are law-abiding or family-oriented or bring good food.

It's a macro issue.

Sure, there are amazing folks from India. Just like there are from England or Nigeria or China or wherever.

Doesn't mean they belong here, taking jobs and housing from Americans. Doesn't mean we need their culture or values or need to be overwhelmed by their numbers.

Then, shouldn't the anger be directed at those who are the actual cause of this - the corporations?

Or is it easier to go after those groups because they happen to not look and act like us, so we'll give the current government and every American who hires them a pass?


Biggest crooks are US politicians. Followed by US CEOs.
Everyone else like H1Bs come later. We left our doors open and rules lax which was exploited by everyone, why is it their fault?

The racists who taunt H1Bs on the streets should be ashamed of themselves. They have no guts to blame their Congressman so they make videos harassing innocent people walking on the streets.

Hold your rep responsible. Then blame corporations instead of licking their boots.
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Cold McDonalds said:

exactly. these companies are offering them six figure salaries to move themselves and their families to the greatest state in the greatest country on earth, opportunities billions of people could only dream of, and we're supposed to be mad at them for saying yes?


100%.

Good to see so many people seeing the light, it's taken a good amount of time.

You got it. The folks who move here come for better opps. Our US corps are bribing our US politicians to keep the door open. Blame Elon Musk, Satya Nadella, Tim Cook, Jensen Huang. Blame your Congressman and Presidents. Blaming H1Bs is a cop out.
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PaulsBunions said:




But we need them! They are geniuses! We don't have enough talent in the US!
</US Corporations>
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PaulsBunions said:




Old news. The source is a former consular official, and the podcast in which she speaks is worth a listen:

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At some level I feel bad for the H1Bs who come here and get into trouble like this guy who got cancer and had to sell his house. But what about the millions of Americans who lost their jobs and careers because of this? The ultimate fault belongs to US Politicians. Then US corporations. These two entities ganged up to screw the American people. Some H1Bs just took advantage and some percentage of them got into scamming themselves. The racists are targeting H1Bs minding their own business on the streets instead of holding corporations and politicians responsible. Always much easier to be a racist than fix a problem.

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Quote:

SHOCKING H-1B VISA INVESTIGATION

Nearly 7 million visas processed since 2015

70% from India

12% from China

A former official told Newsweek 80-90% of applications from India involved fraudulent documents or unqualified applicants

A network of universities selling fake degrees is now under investigation with one university allegedly selling 36,000+ fake degrees

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Ha. Those numbers line up almost exactly to my resume mix I posted earlier.
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If the invaders won't integrate into OUR culture and society and follow the rules and love our country they need to GTFO!
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It's either that or we get exterminated.
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No Spin Ag said:

EclipseAg said:

tuaca93 said:

... and have also met some amazing folks from India.


This is where many Americans get hung up. Immigration is not a micro issue, about whether or not some immigrants are law-abiding or family-oriented or bring good food.

It's a macro issue.

Sure, there are amazing folks from India. Just like there are from England or Nigeria or China or wherever.

Doesn't mean they belong here, taking jobs and housing from Americans. Doesn't mean we need their culture or values or need to be overwhelmed by their numbers.

Then, shouldn't the anger be directed at those who are the actual cause of this - the corporations?

Or is it easier to go after those groups because they happen to not look and act like us, so we'll give the current government and every American who hires them a pass?
Who is giving the current government and corporations a pass? There's more *****ing about those entities on F16 than there are about the immigrants.

Why are you actively adding a logical fallacy to this thread?
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DannyDuberstein said:

A few hundred million people from your country openly defecate.

And I'm talking to the North Texas reaction in particular. It went from a sizable Indian population to a massive spike in a hurry, and these folks are causing all sorts of issues in the community that were not nearly as prevalent just 2-3 years ago

What kind of issues are they causing in the community? My town doesn't have sidewalks, so we are safe on that front.
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TAMU1990 said:

Schools take these international students to charge the maximum tuition amount.

It's been this way for a long time. When I was a teaching assistant at Virginia Tech, preference was givinn to international students because they paid full tuition.

And then guys like Dr. Reddy only used Indian grad students because he could work them to death for almost nothing.
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I'd happily take a 25%+ reduction in my property taxes if it means the exponential growth slows down and the militant parts of the local 'south asian community' get...less militant.
 
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