Infection_Ag11 said:

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The nature of the overall Islamic ideological shift since the Golden Age

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The golden age of Islam is a myth, everything was stolen. They did not create algebra or anything else, it was absorbed from OTHER CUTLURES.

Aggressive conversion:

Conversion with a "lightsaber"...

This is a propaganda game. Islamists have been particularly good lately of convincing their proponents and those beyond their typical realm that the US and Israel are evil and, thus, worthy of defeat and/or humiliation. They're winning that war, have been for some time, and are seemingly justified in believing that they will continue to do so to a higher degree in the future. Until we recognize that the propaganda war is equally if not more important than the physical war, we are doomed to remain mired in this mess.

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Eliminatus said:

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You can't. Not in any actual down to earth and feasible way.

That's the actual truth. It's outgrown any sort of "control" possible. It did that way before any of us were born. It's just a fact of life of now.

You go abstract and yes, changing the fundamental nature of Islam so it can't be radicalized would be the answer. However, human nature basically also contradicts this. Religion equals control and nobody is going to voluntarily give up that level of control.

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yup.

you can't bomb thoughts out of people's heads.

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To infinity and beyond.

BigRobSA said:

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1) Nuke them until they glow

2) Shoot survivors in the dark.

3) profit!

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Then you've got to nuke everyone who knew them, were related to them, think of them as a "cause" etc and do the same to them. Then do the same to everyone at the next level who is to those you just nuked and nuke those people until you're down to yourself and, maybe your dog when all is said and done.

And let's be honest, your dog probably like one of the people you nuked way more than you, so don't be surprised if Fido nukes you and he's the Lone Survivor on the planet.

Answer to OP question is;

You don't. You put America first and stop sending money and resources overseas. Which is what most of MAGA voted for.

In the modern/technology age you're not "winning" a war or conflict, and that's with anybody. Much less a religion with billions of followers if that's what you think you're fighting against. You win by worrying about yourself and your own Country, and you let the CIA pull the strings on the rest of the world like they already do. Theres 0 need for trying to even fight a war much less worrying about winning one.

samurai_science said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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The nature of the overall Islamic ideological shift since the Golden Age

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The golden age of Islam is a myth, everything was stolen. They did not create algebra or anything else, it was absorbed from OTHER CUTLURES.

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Irrelevant to my point

Waffledynamics said:

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It seems like the Islamic strategy is simply to outlast their enemy no matter how hard the Islamists' asses are kicked. Short of annihilation/genocide, how do you win against that?

Given this pattern, I don't see how we succeed against Iran. Gaza was leveled, and Hamas still has regained control.

What is the most reasonable way to win against Islam?

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Step 1: Declare the enemy as an enemy. Have the balls to proclaim loudly and clearly that Islam is a terrorist ideology and Quran is a terror manual and Muhammad was a pdf-file warlord.

Now NO ONE has the guts to do so in reality. Not even Trump.

People will do it to Hitler but not to Islam/Muhammad. Until we call a spade a spade, we are all screwed.

The Koran says it is ok to lie to get your objective. Let Israel agents go into Iran and kill off the military leaders.

Perhaps?

Eliminatus said:

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You can't. Not in any actual down to earth and feasible way.

That's the actual truth. It's outgrown any sort of "control" possible. It did that way before any of us were born. It's just a fact of life of now.

You go abstract and yes, changing the fundamental nature of Islam so it can't be radicalized would be the answer. However, human nature basically also contradicts this. Religion equals control and nobody is going to voluntarily give up that level of control.

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you gonna drop dozens of nukes all around the world in different countries? including the US?

Infection_Ag11 said:

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I just don't see this ever being the existential threat many fear. Their societies are completely at the mercy of already teetering western tolerance.

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With nuclear weapons the equation changes.

You don't beat Islam or communism by anything other than going at them harder than they go at you. Until you match their willingness to go to the end, you will lose.

Waffledynamics said:

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It seems like the Islamic strategy is simply to outlast their enemy no matter how hard the Islamists' asses are kicked. Short of annihilation/genocide, how do you win against that?

Given this pattern, I don't see how we succeed against Iran. Gaza was leveled, and Hamas still has regained control.

What is the most reasonable way to win against Islam?

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these guys did pretty well for 300 years

In the end it will require major boots on the ground with losses, and that is something DJT cannot stomach, and the worse part is the mullahs know it.