Im Gipper said:

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The witness in this case may actually be the contractor

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It's a National Park Service official.

Where was this?

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Pirro admonishes the DOJ as they should have come to this conclusion.

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Essentially the same, but admittedly i did not catch that detail. I was differentiating it was jot a third party.

And i said clearly that Pirro admonishes the DOJ as appears appropriate. Even if the had hard evidence on Hearn pulling on the already damaged liner, it should have been clear his actions, whilst deplorable, would not be criminal nor civil.

I have no issue admitting they mishandled the "vandalism" being the main cause and should not have charged the canoe dude.

At the same time, when the press blows up every little thing then it's hard to get to mad at Team Trump making molehills and mountains.

When the TDSers admit their obsessions, maybe I can admit Trumps team acts too fast, goes to far.

Until then…

Again, where did you see this?

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Pirro admonishes the DOJ

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you know the Democrat platform and message is effective and resonates with people when the biggest bump fest by leftist losers occurs on a story that would not have even been mentioned by mainstream media under any other President...

The improvement project in the National Mall.



Congrats leftists, some guy no one knows, who put a canoe into a national monument and canoe'd around for a bit for no reason, had charges dropped against him. Im guessing you wont compare him to the hundreds of people thrown in the gulag for years by Josef Biden for the high crime of being near the Capitol on January 6th, since ...you know, he got due process and all of that. And you are big Due Process people, except when it comes to white male conservatives (who you have rebranded as "white nationalists", Orwellianly).

Big win for you guys nowadays.

Im Gipper said:

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Again, where did you see this?

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Pirro admonishes the DOJ

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Page 18 was a bit critical, not as much as she is on AIC.

Looks bad for them.

And yea, i understand Pirro is within the DOJ. Shes ****tinf downhill, that work bettwr for ya.

Iced-T14 said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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you know the Democrat platform and message is effective and resonates with people when the biggest bump fest by leftist losers occurs on a story that would not have even been mentioned by mainstream media under any other President...

The improvement project in the National Mall.



Congrats leftists, some guy no one knows, who put a canoe into a national monument and canoe'd around for a bit for no reason, had charges dropped against him. Im guessing you wont compare him to the hundreds of people thrown in the gulag for years by Josef Biden for the high crime of being near the Capitol on January 6th, since ...you know, he got due process and all of that. And you are big Due Process people, except when it comes to white male conservatives (who you have rebranded as "white nationalists", Orwellianly).

Big win for you guys nowadays.

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Took 9 edits for "but but but the dems!"

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The hypocrisy of the left is a valid response in this case. HTH.

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lol there is literally video of them catching vandals attacking the pool but you Biden Bros can't even accept that.

Told my wife what kind of a fool vandalizes a pool because of the president and yet here some of you are on this thread with late stage TDS.

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Which video. Where are the vandals that caused the damage that forced the draining of the pool? Where is it?

Tell us about your analysis of the mechanical properties?

As with all of these "developments", I will await more details on this. Pirro certainly "rips" the contractor a new one in the filing.

I also do not believe there is indication that no one was pulling up the separated liner and being dolts about it, which is very bizarre behavior you just ignore.

And back my OP. This is a pure example how rabid and ******ed the Hate America folks are. The last 15 hours being no exception.

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jt2hunt said:

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So many people have Tds on this thread. Ostriches when facts are presented.

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Facts? Like the material properties of the liner if it was applied correctly.
Hardness: shore-D 60. A golf ball hardness is 50, a caster wheel is 60, a hard hat is 80
Tensile strength: 3200 psi like a nitrile NBR. Very strong for elastomer used in many oil and gas well completion applications (o-rings)
Tear resistance die C: 600 pli. Tear resistance of a poly urethane skateboard wheel
Impact resistance: 160 in/lbs tough polymer vs brittle. A heavy duty floor epoxy

Yeah Trump and maga lemmings don't care about these facts because that would mean that vandals couldn't have cut a slit in the liner and the fact that it was the no bid contractor that did ****ty work

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I didn't see hardness and tensile strength and tear ratings of condoms on your list so I am not sure it's complete.

Seriously though, your list makes absolutely sense and has no relevance this.

Relax and enjoy the W you think this is for the party of Hate America.

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you know the Democrat platform and message is effective and resonates with people when the biggest bump fest by leftist losers occurs on a story that would not have even been mentioned by mainstream media under any other President...

The improvement project in the National Mall.

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Did prior presidents tweet about how they were going to fix things and then completely screw it up?

Did prior administrations publicly blame vandalism, absent proof, in an effort to cover for their failures?

Did prior administrations arrest and attempt to railroad an innocent person in an attempt to deflect blame?

I'm pretty sure if any administration did any of these things in the past it would have been mainstream news.

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That (D)epends.

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1. Will Trump admit the guys he handed $14 million in a no-bid contract didn't know what they were doing? 2. Will he demand they pay us back for the shoddy work?
3. Is he still paying them tax dollars to fix the damage they caused?
4. What assurances do we have that they will do it properly this time?
5. Why are we paying them at all?
6. Will Trump apologize for calling this guy a vandal?
7. Will he admit his claims of 900 foot knife cuts was less than true?
8. Will he fire the person who told him that or admit he made it up?

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1. No, they did the most perfect job ever, like nothing you've ever seen. No other POTUS could have ever made it happen.

2. See No. 1

3. Almost certainly, but only to fix the vandalism he will continue to insist occurred.

4. None whatsoever.

5. Who's gonna stop him?

6. He'd rather eat a bowl of glass.

7. See No. 6

8. If anyone gets fired, it will be whoever filed the motion to dismiss for contradicting him.

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Of course, the immediate answer is to say it was Trump's fault and we should have continued to follow the dem's plan let the national mall become a sewer and national embarrassment. What was he possibly thinking by trying to improve Washington?

zag213004 said:

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jt2hunt said:

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So many people have Tds on this thread. Ostriches when facts are presented.

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Facts? Like the material properties of the liner if it was applied correctly.
Hardness: shore-D 60. A golf ball hardness is 50, a caster wheel is 60, a hard hat is 80
Tensile strength: 3200 psi like a nitrile NBR. Very strong for elastomer used in many oil and gas well completion applications (o-rings)
Tear resistance die C: 600 pli. Tear resistance of a poly urethane skateboard wheel
Impact resistance: 160 in/lbs tough polymer vs brittle. A heavy duty floor epoxy

Yeah Trump and maga lemmings don't care about these facts because that would mean that vandals couldn't have cut a slit in the liner and the fact that it was the no bid contractor that did ****ty work

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Anybody who is familiar with concrete coatings realizes all the characteristics listed have nothing to do with surface preparation and adhesion to concrete. You should leave the coating evaluation to the experts. A host of reasons could be applicators fault, defective material, improper mixing, environmental conditions, etc.

Also, this coating is not permanent will fail and require maintenance. As well as the expansion joints that will fail.

Trump not backing down. At the end of the day there are several conflated issues on the pool.

Anyone expecting Trump to respond other than as below has not been paying attention to DJT for the last decade.

God lobe him!

Kinda like every politician everywhere. Not exactly something new.

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flown-the-coop said:

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Trump not backing down. At the end of the day there are several conflated issues on the pool.

Anyone expecting Trump to respond other than as below has not been paying attention to DJT for the last decade.

God lobe him!

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Of course. DJT never admits he was wrong and doubles down…every damn time. So predictable.

Facts be damned.

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He's been posting video and such supporting his case.

As said, there are several conflated incidents and some folks would do well to let some of that get sorted before being to gleeful about "Got Him!".

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Correction said:

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Dallas82 said:

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1. Will Trump admit the guys he handed $14 million in a no-bid contract didn't know what they were doing? 2. Will he demand they pay us back for the shoddy work?
3. Is he still paying them tax dollars to fix the damage they caused?
4. What assurances do we have that they will do it properly this time?
5. Why are we paying them at all?
6. Will Trump apologize for calling this guy a vandal?
7. Will he admit his claims of 900 foot knife cuts was less than true?
8. Will he fire the person who told him that or admit he made it up?

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1. No, they did the most perfect job ever, like nothing you've ever seen. No other POTUS could have ever made it happen.

2. See No. 1

3. Almost certainly, but only to fix the vandalism he will continue to insist occurred.

4. None whatsoever.

5. Who's gonna stop him?

6. He'd rather eat a bowl of glass.

7. See No. 6

8. If anyone gets fired, it will be whoever filed the motion to dismiss for contradicting him.

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Of course, the immediate answer is to say it was Trump's fault and we should have continued to follow the dem's plan let the national mall become a sewer and national embarrassment. What was he possibly thinking by trying to improve Washington?

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This is just a collection of words, haphazardly thrown together, bearing little relevance to the quoted post.

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Kinda like every politician everywhere. Not exactly something new.

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Flagged for violating the false equivalence logical fallacy. Good try though.

zag213004 said:

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jt2hunt said:

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So many people have Tds on this thread. Ostriches when facts are presented.

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Facts? Like the material properties of the liner if it was applied correctly.
Hardness: shore-D 60. A golf ball hardness is 50, a caster wheel is 60, a hard hat is 80
Tensile strength: 3200 psi like a nitrile NBR. Very strong for elastomer used in many oil and gas well completion applications (o-rings)
Tear resistance die C: 600 pli. Tear resistance of a poly urethane skateboard wheel
Impact resistance: 160 in/lbs tough polymer vs brittle. A heavy duty floor epoxy

Yeah Trump and maga lemmings don't care about these facts because that would mean that vandals couldn't have cut a slit in the liner and the fact that it was the no bid contractor that did ****ty work

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I wonder what the crush strength is.

Don't forget that they drove a Presidential motorcade into it, stopped, and got out. The Presidential limo is said to weigh about 20,000 pounds.

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flown-the-coop said:

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Trump not backing down. At the end of the day there are several conflated issues on the pool.

Anyone expecting Trump to respond other than as below has not been paying attention to DJT for the last decade.

God lobe him!

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You love that he's willing to knife one of his most loyal toadies rather than ever admit an error?

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Yes. Its who he is.

I would be more suspicious if he did admit an error. I may call for the 25th!

Plus, as i have said, there are several conflated stories here. I don't care to sort through it as i am enjoying the hate Americans spinning themselves into a fervor over a Trump gotcha… because he tried to make something better.

BTW - any acknowledgment for his cleanup of the parks, streets, statues and getting a couple dozen other fountains working for the first time in decades?

You going to acknowledge those successes of his?

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zag213004 said:

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jt2hunt said:

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So many people have Tds on this thread. Ostriches when facts are presented.

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Facts? Like the material properties of the liner if it was applied correctly.
Hardness: shore-D 60. A golf ball hardness is 50, a caster wheel is 60, a hard hat is 80
Tensile strength: 3200 psi like a nitrile NBR. Very strong for elastomer used in many oil and gas well completion applications (o-rings)
Tear resistance die C: 600 pli. Tear resistance of a poly urethane skateboard wheel
Impact resistance: 160 in/lbs tough polymer vs brittle. A heavy duty floor epoxy

Yeah Trump and maga lemmings don't care about these facts because that would mean that vandals couldn't have cut a slit in the liner and the fact that it was the no bid contractor that did ****ty work

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I wonder what the crush strength is.

Don't forget that they drove a Presidential motorcade into it, stopped, and got out. The Presidential limo is said to weigh about 20,000 pounds.

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I estimated it at 8.675309 fig newtons.

eric76 said:

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zag213004 said:

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jt2hunt said:

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So many people have Tds on this thread. Ostriches when facts are presented.

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Facts? Like the material properties of the liner if it was applied correctly.
Hardness: shore-D 60. A golf ball hardness is 50, a caster wheel is 60, a hard hat is 80
Tensile strength: 3200 psi like a nitrile NBR. Very strong for elastomer used in many oil and gas well completion applications (o-rings)
Tear resistance die C: 600 pli. Tear resistance of a poly urethane skateboard wheel
Impact resistance: 160 in/lbs tough polymer vs brittle. A heavy duty floor epoxy

Yeah Trump and maga lemmings don't care about these facts because that would mean that vandals couldn't have cut a slit in the liner and the fact that it was the no bid contractor that did ****ty work

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I wonder what the crush strength is.

Don't forget that they drove a Presidential motorcade into it, stopped, and got out. The Presidential limo is said to weigh about 20,000 pounds.

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Crush strength for a thin membrane is not the issue.

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New World Ag said:

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Trump not backing down. At the end of the day there are several conflated issues on the pool.

Anyone expecting Trump to respond other than as below has not been paying attention to DJT for the last decade.

God lobe him!

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Of course. DJT never admits he was wrong and doubles down…every damn time. So predictable.

Facts be damned.

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there's nothing a narcissist hates more than accountability

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Is that why you ignore all those posts correcting you?

People are having fun with this because he didn't just want to fix the Reflecting Pool. It's that he also lambasted Obama and Biden for not fixing it (let's set aside that he was President in between them and didn't fix it then either). So when you try to fix it and do a shoddy job of it, and it still isn't fixed, people are going to poke fun at him.
He should be commended for fixing up the neighbor parks and monuments in DC. DOI hasn't had the best track record of park upkeep (primarily because of budget), and having nice public places for Americans to visit should be a bigger priority. So now that everyone has had their chance to point and laugh, let's fix it this time and do it right.

HTownAg98 said:

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People are having fun with this because he didn't just want to fix the Reflecting Pool. It's that he also lambasted Obama and Biden for not fixing it (let's set aside that he was President in between them and didn't fix it then either). So when you try to fix it and do a shoddy job of it, and it still isn't fixed, people are going to poke fun at him.
He should be commended for fixing up the neighbor parks and monuments in DC. DOI hasn't had the best track record of park upkeep (primarily because of budget), and having nice public places for Americans to visit should be a bigger priority. So now that everyone has had their chance to point and laugh, let's fix it this time and do it right.

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I think I want to know what the status of the actual problem is before getting all down to pointing of fingers.

It was known the job was rushed. Anyone who has ever worked in these sorts of scenarios knows things are over-promised.

Trump is who he is and can set very unrealistic demands and deadlines. He wanted a particular problem fixed for July 4th. It didn't work, it remains to be seen if if can be repaired or if it needs to be completely redone. Both the liner and the bubblers and the work are all required regardless of the rush by Trump.

In the grand scheme, this was not, is not, never has been and never will be that big of a deal. But damn its provided some entertainment.

Botching a pool repair job might be the most relatable thing he's ever done. This is why it's always better to have a friend with a pool than to own one yourself