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I've never worried about a Hindu walking into a shopping mall near me with an explosive vest strapped to his chest. Until that happens, being a Hindu isn't a disqualifier.

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How many American Christians are governing states/provinces in India?

Whatever that number is, that is how many Indian Hindus we should have governing here.

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We really are scraping the basement with our standards for who should be able to govern. It's very sad.

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Ah I see, well, I'm glad he's being honest.

I just weight that higher than a candidate's ability to thread a rhetorical needle to avoid losing hypothetical identity politics votes.

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Well I guess we'll have to see how voters respond to this on election day. I was under the impression that saying Jesus Christ is not the way to heaven might annoy some Christians here.

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breaking news- out of 8 billion people on the planet

7 billion do not believe that Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven.

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He's not running for governor of the world, he's running for governor of Ohio. Him not being a Christian is far from his biggest issue though. Him lecturing Americans on why we need infinity Indians to come here because we have gotten lazy, and his little pump and dump pharma scheme he ran are probably going to do him in.

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Ah I see, well, I'm glad he's being honest.

I just weight that higher than a candidate's ability to thread a rhetorical needle to avoid losing hypothetical identity politics votes.

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Well I guess we'll have to see how voters respond to this on election day. I was under the impression that saying Jesus Christ is not the way to heaven might annoy some Christians here.

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breaking news- out of 8 billion people on the planet

7 billion do not believe that Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven.

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Ok, thats nice, never said otherwise. I'm talking about a specific individual's statement on Jesus Christ. This response is irrelevant.

CM take.

He's saying he understands and agrees with many of the teachings of Christ, even if he doesn't believe Christ is the literal son of God. He's actually showing respect for Christian religion.

Instead of simply dismissing it out-of-hand as demon worship.

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I've never worried about a Hindu walking into a shopping mall near me with an explosive vest strapped to his chest. Until that happens, being a Hindu isn't a disqualifier.

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How many American Christians are governing states/provinces in India?

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Now you decide things here based on what some foreign country does?
Why do you care about some Indian Christian? He doesn't care about you and he wants your job.

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My point is that this statement hurts his chances to govern at all. So you should probably care what he says.

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if only had alerted him back in 2023 when this video was made. maybe he could have salvaged his shot at being governor three years later

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Nice gotcha, this is going viral now, I imagine he's working up a response to this to clarify his points. Search Vivek right now and you'll find this vid.

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how does this change that you thought it was recent and would be some big deal for this election?



What is this segment of the population in Ohio that before they saw this video pop back up thought Vivek believed Jesus was the Son of God? Has to dozens.

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When the main GOP candidate in Ohio is going viral for a statement he made in the past it stands to reason that this could possibly impact his performance in the election. I said that on page one. You're being difficult for no reason.

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A relatively small percentage of Americans are on twitter and even smaller percentage of those people are actually paying attention/posting on it. The amount of people who 1. Live in Ohio, 2. were voting Republican previously 3. would now stay home or vote dem because of a 3 year old clip is maybe in the hundreds, if that.

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Ah I see, well, I'm glad he's being honest.

I just weight that higher than a candidate's ability to thread a rhetorical needle to avoid losing hypothetical identity politics votes.

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Well I guess we'll have to see how voters respond to this on election day. I was under the impression that saying Jesus Christ is not the way to heaven might annoy some Christians here.

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breaking news- out of 8 billion people on the planet

7 billion do not believe that Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven.

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He's not running for governor of the world, he's running for governor of Ohio. Him not being a Christian is far from his biggest issue though. Him lecturing Americans on why we need infinity Indians to come here because we have gotten lazy, and his little pump and dump pharma scheme he ran are probably going to do him in.

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Tell me where in that tweet he said that. Here's the tweet.

Where does he say we need to bring in infinity Indians? He clearly says our culture venerates mediocrity. That is his opinion. As an American he can have one. I know many white folks who feel the same. Should the rules be different for Vivek? Hmm I wonder why.....?

You hate Vivek so you just made it up. Or you just swallowed what someone else l told you.

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The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over "native" Americans isn't because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if we're really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the TRUTH: Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long (at least since the 90s and likely longer). That doesn't start in college, it starts YOUNG.

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The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if…

— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) December 26, 2024

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Eh. He was directly asked a question about it in a very non formal setting. Of course it's not the right way to do it because of this exact thread and how it is misconstrued but it bothers me when a man just can't adequately speak his mind on a topic that is obviously very meaningful to him for fear of pissing off the Christians. Valid as that may be.

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Vivek is trying to be a politician at a national level in a majority White, majority Christian nation (I realize both of those are declining and/or - not for long).

He should be prepared with a canned answer for these kinds of questions that he knows he'll get from people who question his race and religion. I mean, a good portion of the country is "The Bible Belt".

From that interaction, Vivek wouldn't last 5 minutes in Waco. Heck I barely survived 3 years in Waco and I'm Lutheran.

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100%

VR is messing it up for himself by getting embroiled in a discussion on something he can never win.

He will win the Governor race regardless. Ohio seems to get more and more red

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I've never worried about a Hindu walking into a shopping mall near me with an explosive vest strapped to his chest. Until that happens, being a Hindu isn't a disqualifier.

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Will this become an hindurance?

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I've never worried about a Hindu walking into a shopping mall near me with an explosive vest strapped to his chest. Until that happens, being a Hindu isn't a disqualifier.

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How many American Christians are governing states/provinces in India?

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Now you decide things here based on what some foreign country does?
Why do you care about some Indian Christian? He doesn't care about you and he wants your job.

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I've never worried about a Hindu walking into a shopping mall near me with an explosive vest strapped to his chest. Until that happens, being a Hindu isn't a disqualifier.

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How many American Christians are governing states/provinces in India?

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He is Indian and he is a practicing Hindu, but you're making it sound like he's not American with this comparison. Not the same as would be an American governing a province in India. Vivek is an American. He's a citizen, born in Cincinnati OH, lived in the USA his entire life, educated in USA, founded American companies in USA and employed Americans in the USA. His immigrant mother also became a naturalized American citizen.

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Vivek is great politically but he was somewhat deceptive in his proclamations regarding "god". He's trying to stay on the fence. The Hindu god is not the same as the God of Abraham - at least according to scripture. But I don't know.

I'd like to think he is a faithful and decent man, but these two are the same only in that they are both supreme omnipotent creators.

I also think it is inconsistent to say that Jesus is a son of god but not the son of God. Jesus proclaimed himself as the one and only Son of God.

All that said, he is preferable to me than a nihilistic atheist.

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I think Vivek should sit this one out. He won't win or make anyone happy. Lose-lose for him.


Highly intellectual people have a tendency to shoot their mouths off (like Elon) and not realize that they aren't in their living room, they are being filmed and they are at risk either way/.

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Eh. He was directly asked a question about it in a very non formal setting. Of course it's not the right way to do it because of this exact thread and how it is misconstrued but it bothers me when a man just can't adequately speak his mind on a topic that is obviously very meaningful to him for fear of pissing off the Christians. Valid as that may be.

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Doesn't matter. Anything on camera is a bad thing for him politically. I don't care what his beliefs are but opening his mouth on such topics in a country where there is a sizable % who are racists and religious nutjobs is dangerous for him.

Who told you someone can speak their minds freely in America? They cannot.

If I posted on Linkedin what I really think about CEOs (that I post here), I would get canceled and no one would hire me. Not that I give an F really, as I make much much more investing than in my job. But I still won't do it until I retire for good.

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I've never worried about a Hindu walking into a shopping mall near me with an explosive vest strapped to his chest. Until that happens, being a Hindu isn't a disqualifier.

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How many American Christians are governing states/provinces in India?

Whatever that number is, that is how many Indian Hindus we should have governing here.

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He is Indian and he is a practicing Hindu, but you're making it sound like he's not American with this comparison. Not the same as would be an American governing a province in India. Vivek is an American. He's a citizen, born in Cincinnati OH, lived in the USA his entire life, educated in USA, founded American companies in USA and employed Americans in the USA. His immigrant mother also became a naturalized American citizen.

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oh no, the earlier poster thinks if you are non-white you cannot "rule" an American state regardless even if you won a fair election. And if you are not Christian you cannot "rule" either.

He likely thinks that VR is an H1B invader who needs to be shipped back. He isn't.

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I've never worried about a Hindu walking into a shopping mall near me with an explosive vest strapped to his chest. Until that happens, being a Hindu isn't a disqualifier.

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Hindus may steal your job, but will never steal your life!

This needs to be on a T shirt.

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Who told you someone can speak their minds freely in America? They cannot.

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lol. What a joke!

He said this and is still front runner to be governor. Your post is nonsense!

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If I posted on Linkedin what I really think about CEOs (that I post here), I would get canceled and no one would hire me.

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You are still free to speak your mind. What do you want is freedom from consequence. The trait you commonly see in children, but far too many adults are now feeling the same way

He's in the inauspicious position of being "America-first" and anti-communist/anti-socialist, but not being Christian. His challenge was always going to be to convince the really religious conservative Christians to still vote for him despite being a non-Christian because he has the right policy and platform and will be a good leader and because the alternative is marxist democrat destruction. I think for those that follow closely, they'd think he's done a good job 95% of the time in saying the right things, but one or two comments like this one get latched onto and used against him quite harshly.

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Ah I see, well, I'm glad he's being honest.

I just weight that higher than a candidate's ability to thread a rhetorical needle to avoid losing hypothetical identity politics votes.

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Well I guess we'll have to see how voters respond to this on election day. I was under the impression that saying Jesus Christ is not the way to heaven might annoy some Christians here.

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I don't vote for a politician on their religious beliefs, I vote on how they will govern.

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My point is that this statement hurts his chances to govern at all. So you should probably care what he says.

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Why does hurt his chances to govern, because he isn't Christian? I am trying to understand this comment.

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Read through this thread or click on any discussion of this video online. Vivek's statement clearly divided the opinion of people who would normally support him politically. I don't believe dividing the people who would vote for you is a good political strategy.

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I guess I don't care about his religion, just as long as I like his policies…his religion means little to me.

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Thats fine if you don't. I'm not saying you should care. I'm saying this statement could possibly impact his ability to govern, which is what you originally said you cared about.

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Here is my thing…if a voter is a Christian and doesn't like that he isn't one, is that same voter going to vote against their beliefs, and vote for a Democrat that is in favor of abortion? That seems to be a slippery slope for a voter that is Christian, yet votes to undermine their belief of being against abortion…again, make it make sense.

For those of you that have an issue with this.

Would you choose a devout, practicing Hindu, or a Easter Sunday only (if that) Christian who is immoral?

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Put his foot in his mouth? Shouldn't we expect him to tell the truth about his beliefs because that's what he is doing. I'd rather have Vivek saying he's believes differently than I do and owning up to it and knowingly vote for him than have Talarico say that he shares my faith tradition but he is right about it and I am wrong in my practice of it.

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Then go full Hindu, not some weird Coexist blend of Hinduism and Christianity.

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There's a Ray Wylie Hubbard song lyric in there somewhere, but I can't quite recall.

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It was something like:
"Buddha was not a Christian, but Jesus woulda made a good Buddist"

I don't know if he was trying to be profound or that was totally tongue in cheek

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Ah I see, well, I'm glad he's being honest.

I just weight that higher than a candidate's ability to thread a rhetorical needle to avoid losing hypothetical identity politics votes.

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Well I guess we'll have to see how voters respond to this on election day. I was under the impression that saying Jesus Christ is not the way to heaven might annoy some Christians here.

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I don't vote for a politician on their religious beliefs, I vote on how they will govern.

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My point is that this statement hurts his chances to govern at all. So you should probably care what he says.

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Why does hurt his chances to govern, because he isn't Christian? I am trying to understand this comment.

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Read through this thread or click on any discussion of this video online. Vivek's statement clearly divided the opinion of people who would normally support him politically. I don't believe dividing the people who would vote for you is a good political strategy.

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I guess I don't care about his religion, just as long as I like his policies…his religion means little to me.

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Thats fine if you don't. I'm not saying you should care. I'm saying this statement could possibly impact his ability to govern, which is what you originally said you cared about.

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Here is my thing…if a voter is a Christian and doesn't like that he isn't one, is that same voter going to vote against their beliefs, and vote for a Democrat that is in favor of abortion? That seems to be a slippery slope for a voter that is Christian, yet votes to undermine their belief of being against abortion…again, make it make sense.

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People chose to stay home and not vote for Romney in 2012 because he was Mormon. Why is it so hard to believe people would choose to stay home on election day in Ohio?

Okay? He's not a Christian. Pretty sure we already knew this.

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For those of you that have an issue with this.

Would you choose a devout, practicing Hindu, or a Easter Sunday only (if that) Christian who is immoral?

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I would choose the person who advocates for the best policies for my nation and my children. I voted for Donald Trump who appears to be non-religious and says "Two Corinthians" and just blasphemed my Lord and Savior the other day.

I am not saying I would not vote for Vivek...I am just giving him the same type of online scrutiny I give my POTUS. Although, admittedly, I am naturally just a little more skeptical of foreigners and recent immigrants...which I believe to be basic human instinct.

And I say this as someone who is married to a first generation American from the orient lol...but luckily people from her country tend to keep their heads down and not rock the boat here and generally assimilate very well.

Proof:

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People chose to stay home and not vote for Romney in 2012 because he was Mormon. Why is it so hard to believe people would choose to stay home on election day in Ohio?

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Data says mostly the opposite.

His favorability amongst white evangelical protestants increased 27 points from Oct 2011 to June 2012.

In six of seven states where the data was available, white evangelical protestants turned out in equal or larger share than they had in the previous election (for Romney in the latter).

The largest drag on Romney within the Republican base was actually his association with Bain and predatory LBO behavior.

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Ah I see, well, I'm glad he's being honest.

I just weight that higher than a candidate's ability to thread a rhetorical needle to avoid losing hypothetical identity politics votes.

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Well I guess we'll have to see how voters respond to this on election day. I was under the impression that saying Jesus Christ is not the way to heaven might annoy some Christians here.

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I don't vote for a politician on their religious beliefs, I vote on how they will govern.

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My point is that this statement hurts his chances to govern at all. So you should probably care what he says.

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Why does hurt his chances to govern, because he isn't Christian? I am trying to understand this comment.

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Read through this thread or click on any discussion of this video online. Vivek's statement clearly divided the opinion of people who would normally support him politically. I don't believe dividing the people who would vote for you is a good political strategy.

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I guess I don't care about his religion, just as long as I like his policies…his religion means little to me.

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Thats fine if you don't. I'm not saying you should care. I'm saying this statement could possibly impact his ability to govern, which is what you originally said you cared about.

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Here is my thing…if a voter is a Christian and doesn't like that he isn't one, is that same voter going to vote against their beliefs, and vote for a Democrat that is in favor of abortion? That seems to be a slippery slope for a voter that is Christian, yet votes to undermine their belief of being against abortion…again, make it make sense.

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People chose to stay home and not vote for Romney in 2012 because he was Mormon. Why is it so hard to believe people would choose to stay home on election day in Ohio?

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All well and good, but those same people that chose to stay home decided that they were good with the policies of the person that didn't fit them…idk how else to say it…you choose not to vote then you get the policies that come from it…I don't want any politician to shy from their beliefs, whether religious or political….you are asking Vivek to hide who he is in order to get elected, that is simply gross.

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I've never worried about a Hindu walking into a shopping mall near me with an explosive vest strapped to his chest. Until that happens, being a Hindu isn't a disqualifier.

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How many American Christians are governing states/provinces in India?

Whatever that number is, that is how many Indian Hindus we should have governing here.

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He is Indian and he is a practicing Hindu, but you're making it sound like he's not American with this comparison. Not the same as would be an American governing a province in India. Vivek is an American. He's a citizen, born in Cincinnati OH, lived in the USA his entire life, educated in USA, founded American companies in USA and employed Americans in the USA. His immigrant mother also became a naturalized American citizen.

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oh no, the earlier poster thinks if you are non-white you cannot "rule" an American state regardless even if you won a fair election. And if you are not Christian you cannot "rule" either.

He likely thinks that VR is an H1B invader who needs to be shipped back. He isn't.

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Your last sentence is correct at least. He is an anchor baby who should be shipped back.

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For those of you that have an issue with this.

Would you choose a devout, practicing Hindu, or a Easter Sunday only (if that) Christian who is immoral?

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Immoral by whose standard? Are they going to govern according to Christian principles? Because devout Hindus worship mother earth. That's a problem for me because they fundamentally misunderstand what is material or created and divinity. All Christians fail to live up to their own standards. It's part and parcel of our humanity. It would take a lot for me to vote for a Hindu, but I wouldn't rule it out.

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I've never worried about a Hindu walking into a shopping mall near me with an explosive vest strapped to his chest. Until that happens, being a Hindu isn't a disqualifier.

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How many American Christians are governing states/provinces in India?

Whatever that number is, that is how many Indian Hindus we should have governing here.

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He is Indian and he is a practicing Hindu, but you're making it sound like he's not American with this comparison. Not the same as would be an American governing a province in India. Vivek is an American. He's a citizen, born in Cincinnati OH, lived in the USA his entire life, educated in USA, founded American companies in USA and employed Americans in the USA. His immigrant mother also became a naturalized American citizen.

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oh no, the earlier poster thinks if you are non-white you cannot "rule" an American state regardless even if you won a fair election. And if you are not Christian you cannot "rule" either.

He likely thinks that VR is an H1B invader who needs to be shipped back. He isn't.

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Your last sentence is correct at least. He is an anchor baby who should be shipped back.

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That is your opinion and you are welcome to it.

He is a lawful US citizen and there isn't a thing anyone can do about it. Another "Obama is Kenyan" idiocy.

Come to think of it, each one of us is an anchor descendant if you go far back enough.

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For those of you that have an issue with this.

Would you choose a devout, practicing Hindu, or a Easter Sunday only (if that) Christian who is immoral?

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Immoral by whose standard? Are they going to govern according to Christian principles? Because devout Hindus worship mother earth. That's a problem for me because they fundamentally misunderstand what is material or created and divinity. All Christians fail to live up to their own standards. It's part and parcel of our humanity. It would take a lot for me to vote for a Hindu, but I wouldn't rule it out.

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According to you. But not according to them. They have opinions and so do you.
Many of us make the mistake of thinking religion is science. It is not.

All this childish and asinine devil/demon discussion on this thread also dismays me, I hope these are olds who will be gone soon and not youngs who are the future.

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lol. What a joke!

He said this and is still front runner to be governor. Your post is nonsense!

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You are still free to speak your mind. What do you want is freedom from consequence. The trait you commonly see in children, but far too many adults are now feeling the same way

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That is bs. Then we are no different from Saudi Arabia. Try saying "Mo is a pedo" there and they will chop your balls off. So maybe I can say in Saudi Arabia you are free to speak your mind but that does not mean you are free from consequence.

USA = KSA?

No.

Also, VR never said ship in 100000000000000 Indians. The racists pulled out that meaning out of it to suit their hate for him.

Your posts are so bad!
You aren't free to speak when government punishes you!

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Your last sentence is correct at least. He is an anchor baby who should be shipped back.

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you don't see a difference between being "anchored" because legal immigrants who came here the right way had a baby vs anchored via sneaking in here illegally or waltzing in under a phony asylum claim the last few years?

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I've never worried about a Hindu walking into a shopping mall near me with an explosive vest strapped to his chest. Until that happens, being a Hindu isn't a disqualifier.

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How many American Christians are governing states/provinces in India?

Whatever that number is, that is how many Indian Hindus we should have governing here.

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He is Indian and he is a practicing Hindu, but you're making it sound like he's not American with this comparison. Not the same as would be an American governing a province in India. Vivek is an American. He's a citizen, born in Cincinnati OH, lived in the USA his entire life, educated in USA, founded American companies in USA and employed Americans in the USA. His immigrant mother also became a naturalized American citizen.

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oh no, the earlier poster thinks if you are non-white you cannot "rule" an American state regardless even if you won a fair election. And if you are not Christian you cannot "rule" either.

He likely thinks that VR is an H1B invader who needs to be shipped back. He isn't.

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Your last sentence is correct at least. He is an anchor baby who should be shipped back.

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I have seen posts like this on X from groypers. By your logic, would Marco Rubio count as an "anchor baby" who should be shipped back too, since his parents came from Cuba? Just trying to understand where you're drawing the line. Based on your post history, it seems like this only applies to certain groups.

my mom's parents were immigrants; rescued from Kiev USSR in 1945 after being held in Syrets concentration camp until the red army liberated the area in 1943, and came here legally. Became citizens, like Vivek's. Are my mom and my aunts, all born in Massachusetts, anchor babies that should be shipped back?