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Ah I see, well, I'm glad he's being honest.

I just weight that higher than a candidate's ability to thread a rhetorical needle to avoid losing hypothetical identity politics votes.

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Well I guess we'll have to see how voters respond to this on election day. I was under the impression that saying Jesus Christ is not the way to heaven might annoy some Christians here.

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I don't vote for a politician on their religious beliefs, I vote on how they will govern.

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My point is that this statement hurts his chances to govern at all. So you should probably care what he says.

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Why does hurt his chances to govern, because he isn't Christian? I am trying to understand this comment.

Hardcore Greg said:

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Honestly...F this BS...dafuq is Diwali???

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Sounds like you've been missing out on the corporate virtue signalling Emails.

They even celebrated it on the US version of The Office.

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My point is that this statement hurts his chances to govern at all. So you should probably care what he says.

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if only had alerted him back in 2023 when this video was made. maybe he could have salvaged his shot at being governor three years later

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Nice gotcha, this is going viral now, I imagine he's working up a response to this to clarify his points. Search Vivek right now and you'll find this vid.

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Many Hindi believe that Christ is one of many reflections of deity.

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This is not the same as thinking he is a "god" in their religion.

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I'm not sure I agree with you. Hindi is a pretty nebulous group of fairly distinct religions.

So much Christian fragility.

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Hindu is a complete disqualifier for me.

They believe some really weird stuff.

And if you study closely the "gods" they worship, they are demons.

Hard pass, no matter the package it is presented in.

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Oh man... you reminded me of sitting there at a business dinner, listening to my VP talk about his cousin who could read 7 past lives of people.

Apparently most people can only read back 5 past lives but his cousin could read 7.

And I had to take this guy seriously at work for several more years.

MelvinUdall said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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MelvinUdall said:

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Ah I see, well, I'm glad he's being honest.

I just weight that higher than a candidate's ability to thread a rhetorical needle to avoid losing hypothetical identity politics votes.

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Well I guess we'll have to see how voters respond to this on election day. I was under the impression that saying Jesus Christ is not the way to heaven might annoy some Christians here.

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I don't vote for a politician on their religious beliefs, I vote on how they will govern.

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My point is that this statement hurts his chances to govern at all. So you should probably care what he says.

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Why does hurt his chances to govern, because he isn't Christian? I am trying to understand this comment.

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Read through this thread or click on any discussion of this video online. Vivek's statement clearly divided the opinion of people who would normally support him politically. I don't believe dividing the people who would vote for you is a good political strategy.

PaulsBunions said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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My point is that this statement hurts his chances to govern at all. So you should probably care what he says.

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if only had alerted him back in 2023 when this video was made. maybe he could have salvaged his shot at being governor three years later

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Nice gotcha, this is going viral now, I imagine he's working up a response to this to clarify his points. Search Vivek right now and you'll find this vid.

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how does this change that you thought it was recent and would be some big deal for this election?



What is this segment of the population in Ohio that before they saw this video pop back up thought Vivek believed Jesus was the Son of God? Has to dozens.

PaulsBunions said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Ah I see, well, I'm glad he's being honest.

I just weight that higher than a candidate's ability to thread a rhetorical needle to avoid losing hypothetical identity politics votes.

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Well I guess we'll have to see how voters respond to this on election day. I was under the impression that saying Jesus Christ is not the way to heaven might annoy some Christians here.

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I don't vote for a politician on their religious beliefs, I vote on how they will govern.

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My point is that this statement hurts his chances to govern at all. So you should probably care what he says.

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Why does hurt his chances to govern, because he isn't Christian? I am trying to understand this comment.

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Read through this thread or click on any discussion of this video online. Vivek's statement clearly divided the opinion of people who would normally support him politically. I don't believe dividing the people who would vote for you is a good political strategy.

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I guess I don't care about his religion, just as long as I like his policies…his religion means little to me.

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Eh. He was directly asked a question about it in a very non formal setting. Of course it's not the right way to do it because of this exact thread and how it is misconstrued but it bothers me when a man just can't adequately speak his mind on a topic that is obviously very meaningful to him for fear of pissing off the Christians. Valid as that may be.

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Vivek is trying to be a politician at a national level in a majority White, majority Christian nation (I realize both of those are declining and/or - not for long).

He should be prepared with a canned answer for these kinds of questions that he knows he'll get from people who question his race and religion. I mean, a good portion of the country is "The Bible Belt".

From that interaction, Vivek wouldn't last 5 minutes in Waco. Heck I barely survived 3 years in Waco and I'm Lutheran.

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Yes, these half human, half octopus/monkey/whatever things are definitely not demonic. And Vivek can worship whatever he wants, but this is America and we are a Christian nation. He should definitely not be ruling over any American.

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Good thing this is America and we don't have "Rulers".

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LOL if you really believe this. $40T in debt, mysteriously, many of these comgress critters somehow are able to achieve net worth of tens of millions on a $200k/yr salary, and they print money in perpetuity making the avg american poorer and poorer over time.

We have ZERO power. And constantly get reemed. But we don't have "rulers".

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Whatever. I'm not concerned with his personal religious beliefs. Can he govern competently

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It feels so good to see conservatives no longer have the "of he's not Christian he's not getting my vote" mentality.

All that matters is can the guy do the job, which Vivek should easily be able to do.

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Hindu is a complete disqualifier for me.

They believe some really weird stuff.

And if you study closely the "gods" they worship, they are demons.

Hard pass, no matter the package it is presented in.

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Oh man... you reminded me of sitting there at a business dinner, listening to my VP talk about his cousin who could read 7 past lives of people.

Apparently most people can only read back 5 past lives but his cousin could read 7.

And I had to take this guy seriously at work for several more years.

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Just a matter of perspective. I find it just as hard to sit through someone going through a spiel of how the son of a deity sacrificed himself self for mankind's sin and then resurrected to then be worshipped. Which won't be popular here I imagine.

I think it's all equally silly but I don't proclaim to know what is exactly right or wrong. That's why I don't begrudge anyone their beliefs, as long as they don't use them to hurt, manipulate, or coerce others against their will. I'm just here, vibing. Will say though that it takes some doing on my part at times…

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That's weird a Hindu guy doesn't believe Jesus is God!


What should he have said?

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He should have simply stated "I am Hindu and follow that religious tradition.", and not directly oppose scripture with his statements regarding Jesus Christ.

John 14:6

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

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But Hindu does directly oppose scripture...because it's Hindu, not Christianity.

He is simply sharing what he, along with every other Hindu believe.

It's actually why it's so hard to share the gospel with Hindu. It's just another 'god' on the pile with all their other Gods. Sharing that He's THE way, and not A way is a hard concept to belief for anyone with Hindu influence.

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Eh. He was directly asked a question about it in a very non formal setting. Of course it's not the right way to do it because of this exact thread and how it is misconstrued but it bothers me when a man just can't adequately speak his mind on a topic that is obviously very meaningful to him for fear of pissing off the Christians. Valid as that may be.

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Vivek is trying to be a politician at a national level in a majority White, majority Christian nation (I realize both of those are declining and/or - not for long).

He should be prepared with a canned answer for these kinds of questions that he knows he'll get from people who question his race and religion. I mean, a good portion of the country is "The Bible Belt".

From that interaction, Vivek wouldn't last 5 minutes in Waco. Heck I barely survived 3 years in Waco and I'm Lutheran.

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Aye. I know. Just sucks on the surface of it but as you say, this should be no secret to him. Of all the times to give a canned answer to things like this, it's now. What is it, like five days to the election? Yikes.

You either believe that Christianity is the bedrock of our nation and work to strengthen that bond or you don't. I'm certainly not voting for the Mamdanis, Viveks, or Barack HUSSEINs of the world

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My point is that this statement hurts his chances to govern at all. So you should probably care what he says.

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if only had alerted him back in 2023 when this video was made. maybe he could have salvaged his shot at being governor three years later

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Nice gotcha, this is going viral now, I imagine he's working up a response to this to clarify his points. Search Vivek right now and you'll find this vid.

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how does this change that you thought it was recent and would be some big deal for this election?



What is this segment of the population in Ohio that before they saw this video pop back up thought Vivek believed Jesus was the Son of God? Has to dozens.

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When the main GOP candidate in Ohio is going viral for a statement he made in the past it stands to reason that this could possibly impact his performance in the election. I said that on page one. You're being difficult for no reason.

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Ah I see, well, I'm glad he's being honest.

I just weight that higher than a candidate's ability to thread a rhetorical needle to avoid losing hypothetical identity politics votes.

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Well I guess we'll have to see how voters respond to this on election day. I was under the impression that saying Jesus Christ is not the way to heaven might annoy some Christians here.

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I don't vote for a politician on their religious beliefs, I vote on how they will govern.

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My point is that this statement hurts his chances to govern at all. So you should probably care what he says.

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Why does hurt his chances to govern, because he isn't Christian? I am trying to understand this comment.

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Read through this thread or click on any discussion of this video online. Vivek's statement clearly divided the opinion of people who would normally support him politically. I don't believe dividing the people who would vote for you is a good political strategy.

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I guess I don't care about his religion, just as long as I like his policies…his religion means little to me.

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Thats fine if you don't. I'm not saying you should care. I'm saying this statement could possibly impact his ability to govern, which is what you originally said you cared about.

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Hindu is a complete disqualifier for me.

They believe some really weird stuff.

And if you study closely the "gods" they worship, they are demons.

Hard pass, no matter the package it is presented in.

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What a ridiculous and dumb thing to say.

Your god is good but someone else's god is a demon? Typical intolerant stuff that I hate these religious nutjobs for and which has caused wars ever since religion became a thing.

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Then educate yourself

I've read two of Vivek's books: Woke Inc., and Truths. I watched some podcasts, interviews, and saw a lot of clips of him on social media when he was running for president. I really like A LOT of what he has to say about a lot of things. About government size and spending and waste, fraud, and abuse, about taxes, about security and borders, about the woke mind virus, etc. And he's got brilliant delivery most of the time. There seem to be a lot of people out to stop him that will focus on anything they can find as an excuse to not support him, but I hope he doesn't provide any more ammo those people need to latch onto and I hope he gets a chance to govern. He should win the primary and if people latch onto some comment he made about Jesus as an excuse to let a marxist democrat beat him, that will really suck.

This has nothing to do with this particular post, but it seems like you lived in India for a period of time…

My dad was the Air Attach to the US Embassy in New Delhi when I was a pup… think it was third grade that I was in a play depicting the battle between Rama and Ravana to rescue Sita. I was a monkey in Rama's army, complete with a bow and arrows - totally responsible thing to put in the hands of a third grader… then again, this was the mid 70s.

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You either believe that Christianity is the bedrock of our nation and work to strengthen that bond or you don't. I'm certainly not voting for the Mamdanis, Viveks, or Barack HUSSEINs of the world

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Thoughts on an atheist turned Catholic with a wife who's religious beliefs are the same as Vivek's?

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He is simply sharing what he, along with every other Hindu believe.

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Which is that Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball.

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They believe some really weird stuff.

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I've always found the "weird" beliefs thing odd. All religions, with the except of maybe Buddhism, have weird beliefs. That's the nature of religious belief - it is supernatural and nothing will make complete sense.

Just dont offer his God a peanut.

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Hindu is a complete disqualifier for me.

They believe some really weird stuff.

And if you study closely the "gods" they worship, they are demons.

Hard pass, no matter the package it is presented in.

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What a ridiculous and dumb thing to say.

Your god is good but someone else's god is a demon? Typical intolerant stuff that I hate these religious nutjobs for and which has caused wars ever since religion became a thing.

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It is the actual tenet of our faith. But our faith tells us to love our neighbors as ourselves. Not intolerance or hate. But also to speak LOVE and TRUTH. Christians dont have to muddle their faith to please the unbelievers but we can always speak in a loving gracious spirit.

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A foreign demon worshipper lecturing Americans about our Lord. And this is the GOP's governor candidate.

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That's pretty ignorant. Study Hinduism.

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God does not negotiate.

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Neither does Trump. God & Trump, Art of the No-Negotiation Deals.

And it's pretty ignorant to classify Hindi as "demon worshippers". BTW - to Islam, considering Jesus as Devine is no different than Hindi worship of Lakshmi and friends. So for the guy saying he would prefer Hindi neighbors over Muslims and Christians, he has a point. Only 1 of those doesn't call for the destruction or eternity in hell if you choose to not follow their rules. I'll let the bible thumpers determine which one of the 3 mentioned does that.

I mean, wouldn't it be challenging to be Hindu and any other faith and to believe otherwise? He would be a Christian if he actually believed Jesus was the Son of God and The Only Way to heaven.

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I mean, wouldn't it be challenging to be Hindu and any other faith and to believe otherwise? He would be a Christian if he actually believed Jesus was the Son of God and The Only Way to heaven.

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And as a Christian, one should be reaching out and witnessing to Vivek about the saving grace of Jesus whilst respecting his current beliefs.

Some of the folks on f16 think they are required to lead the next crusade if a political figure has non-Christian beliefs.

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I mean, wouldn't it be challenging to be Hindu and any other faith and to believe otherwise? He would be a Christian if he actually believed Jesus was the Son of God and The Only Way to heaven.

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And as a Christian, one should be reaching out and witnessing to Vivek about the saving grace of Jesus whilst respecting his current beliefs.

Some of the folks on f16 think they are required to lead the next crusade if a political figure has non-Christian beliefs.

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Agreed, this is a great point. How we are to talk to and reach the non-believers is VERY different from how one responds to someone that is a believer but is unrepentant, living in sin, promoting a heresy, or somehow blaspheming.

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This has nothing to do with this particular post, but it seems like you lived in India for a period of time…

My dad was the Air Attach to the US Embassy in New Delhi when I was a pup… think it was third grade that I was in a play depicting the battle between Rama and Ravana to rescue Sita. I was a monkey in Rama's army, complete with a bow and arrows - totally responsible thing to put in the hands of a third grader… then again, this was the mid 70s.

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I love it.

No, I lived in Saudi Arabia from ages 7-15 and have had plenty of Indian friends and co-workers over the years.

From 2012-2020, I made about 9 business trips to Bangalore and New Delhi. I also vacationed in Mumbai and Goa one year.

Funny thing on my last trip to India in Feb 2020, at breakfast at my hotel in New Delhi, there were a bunch of Vet Bros who I figured out based on their attire and conversation were American helicopter mechanics.

Then the next day when I was leaving, I saw an announcement in the news that India was buying like 4 Apaches from the US. I laughed - I knew that yesterday at breakfast.

For your school play, my little brother went to Kindergarten in Saudi Arabia and he used to throw tantrums and cry to stay home from school on the days when they had to sing Saudi songs at school. Sounds like you fit in a little better.

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Ah I see, well, I'm glad he's being honest.

I just weight that higher than a candidate's ability to thread a rhetorical needle to avoid losing hypothetical identity politics votes.

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Well I guess we'll have to see how voters respond to this on election day. I was under the impression that saying Jesus Christ is not the way to heaven might annoy some Christians here.

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breaking news- out of 8 billion people on the planet

7 billion do not believe that Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven.

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Ah I see, well, I'm glad he's being honest.

I just weight that higher than a candidate's ability to thread a rhetorical needle to avoid losing hypothetical identity politics votes.

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Well I guess we'll have to see how voters respond to this on election day. I was under the impression that saying Jesus Christ is not the way to heaven might annoy some Christians here.

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breaking news- out of 8 billion people on the planet

7 billion do not believe that Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven.

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Google says your math is off but, I wouldn't want to pluck a guy out of the world's population to be my representative in government. That's the point. Out of 8 billion people in the world, I wouldn't vote for the vast vast majority of them.

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I've never worried about a Hindu walking into a shopping mall near me with an explosive vest strapped to his chest. Until that happens, being a Hindu isn't a disqualifier.

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How many American Christians are governing states/provinces in India?

Whatever that number is, that is how many Indian Hindus we should have governing here.