I have friends that say the Jews are not the victims here, they cause problems everywhere they go and being too aggressive by invading their neighboring countries. They go on to preach conspiracy on how Israel has influence on every aspect of the US government, especially banking, and that all this is apart of the Epstein files.

It blows my mind that people think this way… maybe I missed the memo but the way I see it, one side burns the American flag and the other does not. What am I missing?

It's a story as old as time....

you need new friends

and in before "we are just saying AIPAC spends a lot of money lobbying the government"

There are a group of people who are gullible enough to be flat earthers, but are also inclined to think the Jews are scary, and viola... JewAnon

What kind of problems do your friends say Jews cause everywhere they go and does it match up with your observations?

I personally think there are relatively easy to detect logic breakdowns in these sorts of general arguments that are made .

When I ask people that feel this way about Jews and disproportionate influence I can't ever seem to get any specific examples . I believe examples probably exist in multiple cases but if you sum them all up they still don't amount to some sort of major existential threat.

Historically the The U.S. and Israel interests are aligned and the path to achieve the goals were also aligned

Because the problems in the region have been intractable there is a divergence of opinions on how to approach them.

The current " kinetic action " is an example of trying a new way to solve the regional issues but this path is more controversial than for example the Camp David accords

We are in this "kinetic action" because Israel wanted it and talked DJT into it
This action might work but it has critics especially given the campaign promise of no new wars

Of course MAGA is unconcerned about the broken campaign promise The TDS crowd wants to bang on that drum 24/7

Your friends are idiots.

In one corner we have a violent religious sect that literally hates everyone including themselves. They commit acts of violence all over the world on a daily basis then claim the victim status when the world dares to fight back.

In the other corner we have a nation filled with perhaps the most persecuted peoples in history. A people that get blamed for everything because humans are intellectually lazy and can't think for themselves.

I'm by no means saying the Jews or Israel are perfect I only worry about immigration from one of these groups. We didn't attack Iran with the goal of regime change because Israel told us to. We did this because the first group is driven by the Iranian regime and it was WAY past time to deal with it. The Jews aren't blowing themselves up. I don't know how else to say it.

Read the following history books:
Genesis
Exodus


Review
Leviticus
Numbers
Deuteronomy


Then read Joshua.



You really owe it to yourself and your family to under the history of Abraham and his offsprings. Seriously, the most Important thing you can do for yourself.

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I have friends that say the Jews are not the victims here, they cause problems everywhere they go and being too aggressive by invading their neighboring countries. They go on to preach conspiracy on how Israel has influence on every aspect of the US government, especially banking, and that all this is apart of the Epstein files.

It blows my mind that people think this way… maybe I missed the memo but the way I see it, one side burns the American flag and the other does not. What am I missing?

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Aside from your poor grammar-

How many people admit they have "friends" who are racists and Nazis?

I can honestly state NONE of my friends are Nazis or racists.

Maybe you should look at your own poor choices in life.

Someone needs to watch 24 hours of concentration camp footage.

I will always defend the Jews and their want to survive. Anti semites have issues with themselves that need worked out

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We are in this "kinetic action" because Israel wanted it and talked DJT into it

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Lolz. You got some proof there?

We are all spiritual beings experiencing a physical existence.

We are witnessing and participating in a battle between good and evil.

There are good Jews and there are bad Jews. (same with Christians, Muslims, etc.)

The bad Jews are the type that killed Jesus.

Use discernment to figure out the rest.......

And the OP is being duplicitous.

If he is in fact an "engineer" he knows that the way he framed his topic would ensure every Jew hater jumps in to explain "well of course this is why the Jews are to blame".

"Why do my friends blame the Jews for everything bad and taking over things that are not theirs?" is EXACTLY what anti-semites have been saying for 2,600 years already.

C'mon.

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Read the following history books:
Genesis
Exodus


Review
Leviticus
Numbers
Deuteronomy


Then read Joshua.



You really owe it to yourself and your family to under the history of Abraham and his offsprings. Seriously, the most Important thing you can do for yourself.

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People like the OP either understand these Middle East long term conflicts / struggles or they need to educate themselves through sources like the ones you listed.. I went down that rabbit hole of educating myself about what goes on in the Middle East over the last 3000 plus years, it's not easy to understand (lots of factions w moving pieces) but once you start to see the picture then it becomes more clear. I'm far from understanding all the current and past events that shape the Middle East, but I see the bigger picture based on history of that area.. Take the time and read about history and you will begin to understand these issues much better. You're not going to figure this out in a few minutes of reading either.

The Middle East just like the Europeans / and now Russians theatres have been fighting for a few thousand plus years. The wars going on now are a continuation of what's been happening for many years. The US (good or bad) has joined into some of these region conflicts, these conflicts won't end in our lifetimes. We have joined into conflicts for various reasons but in my eyes our main interest is two fold- we are interested in the oil / energy in the area as well as trying to reign in a rouge religious controlled Iran that wants to mass produce weapons to use against the world

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Absolute BS.

We are in this "kinetic action" because 35 years of diplomacy have yielded nothing but a gradual strengthening of Iran's nuclear program.

We are in this "kinetic action" because the Iranian leadership (unlike, say, North Korea) is committed by their religious beliefs to global domination, and not mere survival.

The Shia fanatics that run Iran mean to subjugate us. As idiotic as that may seem to us (and it seems less so every day, when you see what's happening in Europe, and even in Minnesota and NY), they really do mean it. When left to pursue their dreams, they spend their money on pursuit of that goal to the exclusion of everything else.

Truthfully, I dont understand the hate at all and never have. All the Jews I ever met were good dudes. The only problem I had with them as a group, was a disproportionate number were Philadelphia Eagles fans. Now, that did bother me.

Some people say there's a woman to blame.

Epstien
Uss liberty
Aipac
Oct 7th
Syria
Iraq
Hate speech laws

Iran the fact that Bibi has said for 40 years they are months away from a weapon. The fact if they had a nuke they wouldn't nuke the USA they don't have the logistics to defend themselves but we are suppose to believe they would nuke us. North Korea has a rogue leader that isn't accountable to anyone has a nuke pointed our allies South Korea why not attack him? South Korea is more important to Americans then Israel.

The obvious was when Trump said Addleson had given him 200 million dollars and that doesn't come for free. That all she wants to talk about is Isreal. I don't hate or dislike them I admire them even as Americans they put Israel first. Israel does a great job of exploiting our over size bloated government to get what they want. It's not how much you pay thru aipac it's who you pay. They do a great job of investing in our government officials.

They even hold this supreme power were if you question Israel you are automatically anti semitic and hate jews.

Blaming problems in the world on the jews is at least as old as the Gospels, and per old testament writings/books thousands of years older than that.

“They are looking for a people group to blame for the problems that we’re having in the world, and often times it lands with the Jews”

Heather Johnston with the US Israel Education Association theorizes on why anti-Semitic ideas are becoming more commonplace pic.twitter.com/97IMPY5rkW

— Just the News (@JustTheNews) March 13, 2026

Something sort of funny right now is that our lovely Democrat party is furious with Aipac for unseating some incumbents/costing them some likely House seats. Real shocking the Israeli lobbying group would work against you, guys, after championing Hamas/Mullahs/Taliban for years now.

It would help if Democrats didn't elect actual anti-semites to Congress, and Democrat leaders actually stood up for what used to be bi-partisan support for Israel. Every day that goes by another Jewish American switches to the Republican Party.

— Brandon Maly (@brandon_maly) March 18, 2026

American Jews are historically very left/Democrat aligned voters, but I am quite happy to see some of their influence/money turning against the leviathon/monster that is the Democrat party.

can't criticize israel without being an antisemite, but nobody has a problem blaming blacks for all of america's ills

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can't criticize israel without being an antisemite, but nobody has a problem blaming blacks for all of america's ills

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That's one of my favorite lines, it's like the KKK complaining that they can't criticize a black person without being called a racist. Their positions have little to do with the statement.

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can't criticize israel without being an antisemite, but nobody has a problem blaming blacks for all of america's ills

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Nobody blames black people. We blame progressive liberals. White middle class liberal women are the absolute scourge of our society. Unfortunately, 90% of black people vote that direction as well so you mistakenly interpreted it as racism while voting for actually racist Democrats

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sts7049 said:

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can't criticize israel without being an antisemite, but nobody has a problem blaming blacks for all of america's ills

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That's one of my favorite lines, it's like the KKK complaining that they can't criticize a black person without being called a racist. Their positions have little to do with the statement.

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not quite.

the equivalent would be any criticism from anyone of a black person means they are being racist. most of the posts and usual posters in here defending israel immediately suggest criticism = antisemite

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you need new friends

and in before "we are just saying AIPAC spends a lot of money lobbying the government"

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AIPAC, it's the new NRA.

there is plenty of both happening. hating liberals is not what i am referring to

...but I know, it's my own damn fault...

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Iran the fact that Bibi has said for 40 years they are months away from a weapon. The fact if they had a nuke they wouldn't nuke the USA they don't have the logistics to defend themselves but we are suppose to believe they would nuke us. North Korea has a rogue leader that isn't accountable to anyone has a nuke pointed our allies South Korea why not attack him? South Korea is more important to Americans then Israel.

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This is just nonsensical.

1. Iran the fact that Bibi has said for 40 years they are months away from a weapon. - It's not like Israel is just sitting on their hands the last 40 years. Does Stuxnet ring a bell? Or Iranian nuclear scientists assasinated not factor in the reason why Iran hasn't build a nuke yet?

2.The fact if they had a nuke they wouldn't nuke the USA they don't have the logistics to defend themselves but we are suppose to believe they would nuke us. - They wouldn't nuke us? It doesn't have to be an ICBM to deliver a nuke to the US. How hard would it be for a nation state to smuggle people with suitcase nuke across our porous borders?

3. North Korea has a rogue leader that isn't accountable to anyone has a nuke pointed our allies South Korea why not attack him? South Korea is more important to Americans then Israel. - what world do you live in? It isn't about Israel but the ME which is a hell of lot more important to world, US included, than the Korean penninsula.

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Your friends are idiots.

In one corner we have a violent religious sect that literally hates everyone including themselves. They commit acts of violence all over the world on a daily basis then claim the victim status when the world dares to fight back.

In the other corner we have a nation filled with perhaps the most persecuted peoples in history. A people that get blamed for everything because humans are intellectually lazy and can't think for themselves.

I'm by no means saying the Jews or Israel are perfect I only worry about immigration from one of these groups. We didn't attack Iran with the goal of regime change because Israel told us to. We did this because the first group is driven by the Iranian regime and it was WAY past time to deal with it. The Jews aren't blowing themselves up. I don't know how else to say it.

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This guy (gal?) gets it.

OP's friends sound like the little kids who throw rocks at the wasp nest then cry when they get stung.

Leave Israel alone e and Israel leaves you alone.

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OP's friends sound like the little kids who throw rocks at the wasp nest then cry when they get stung.

Leave Israel alone e and Israel leaves you alone.

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True, but if, and that's an insanely big IF, the reason we got involved in the war with Iran because of Israel, then we shouldn't be going along with Israel if someone doesn't leave them alone. That would be Israel's problem.

That being said, I'm still all for MIGA no matter the cost to America and Israel.

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can't criticize israel without being an antisemite, but nobody has a problem blaming blacks for all of america's ills

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That's one of my favorite lines, it's like the KKK complaining that they can't criticize a black person without being called a racist. Their positions have little to do with the statement.

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not quite.

the equivalent would be any criticism from anyone of a black person means they are being racist. most of the posts and usual posters in here defending israel immediately suggest criticism = antisemite

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Except there is a long history of the same posters making the same simple, worn out, and easily disproven statements about Israel being to blame for every conflict despite all the other factors involved. So if you can look at a long list of evidence to the contrary and still stubbornly choose the blanket "Israel is to blame" positions, then either it has to do with intellectual laziness or antisemitism. Both are functionally similar in this case.

Controversial take: Normie conservatives and boomers are worse than the left.

The trough just keeps getting filled up, and ya'll just eat it right up every single time. Truly incredible.

It was said on here before, but F16 really is a bubble containment zone.

If these types of people ever truly got "red pilled", their reality would be shattered

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I have friends that say the Jews are not the victims here, they cause problems everywhere they go and being too aggressive by invading their neighboring countries. They go on to preach conspiracy on how Israel has influence on every aspect of the US government, especially banking, and that all this is apart of the Epstein files.

It blows my mind that people think this way… maybe I missed the memo but the way I see it, one side burns the American flag and the other does not. What am I missing?

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They're stupid and antisemites to boot.

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Controversial take: Normie conservatives and boomers are worse than the left.

The trough just keeps getting filled up, and ya'll just eat it right up every single time. Truly incredible.

It was said on here before, but F16 really is a bubble containment zone.

If these types of people ever truly got "red pilled", their reality would be shattered

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