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Controversial take: Normie conservatives and boomers are worse than the left.

The trough just keeps getting filled up, and ya'll just eat it right up every single time. Truly incredible.

It was said on here before, but F16 really is a bubble containment zone.

If these types of people ever truly got "red pilled", their reality would be shattered

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Oh man. You're so edgy!!

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redvox said:

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Controversial take: Normie conservatives and boomers are worse than the left.

The trough just keeps getting filled up, and ya'll just eat it right up every single time. Truly incredible.

It was said on here before, but F16 really is a bubble containment zone.

If these types of people ever truly got "red pilled", their reality would be shattered

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Very insightful. Got a newsletter?

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Nice...

Insinuating that he's Franchione...well played.

just about everyone in trump's cabinet has given a different reason for why we started the war, but if we take rubio's explanation at face value that iran was poised to strike american bases in retaliation for imminent israeli attacks and that's what forced our hand, then that would certainly suggest israel dragged us into this.

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wonder if so called Christians know Jesus was a jew..but carrying in your Jew hate by all means.

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They write it off and just focus on the ones that lobbied for Jesus to be crucified. Even though Jesus had to be crucified based on biblical prophecy. Just like Gods covenant with the Jews persists after the crucifixion.

Of course then they just say modern Jews aren't real Jews because they'll believe in any revisionist history that confirms their biases that Jews are bad.

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Can you tell me more? I've always been taught that God created a new and everlasting covenant with anyone who believes in his son. Didn't realize the old covenant still stood and that the Jews were still his chosen people.

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I don't agree with everything this site says, but it gives good answers on much of the larger theological questions:

https://www.gotquestions.org/all-Israel-saved.html

This is a pretty good synopsis.

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I'm not familiar with this church. Are their teachings in line with the larger, more mainstream denominations?

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You can check out their about page, but their views are basically mainstream evangelical, non-denominational Protestantism. I believe they're dispensationalist and their eschatology is pretribulational. My background would be more in the vein of historic premillinealism if you had to put a label on it I suppose.

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So much to unpack there.

Epstein - bad guy of Jewish descent who did bad things and facilitated using them as blackmail . That's what I believe . There are lots of bad guys that do bad things and they aren't an indictment of their entire heritage … they are just bad and power hungry people and they come from all walks of life. No doubt there are other bad people of Jewish descent … Soros is another just as there are bad people from all different racial , national, and ethnic backgrounds.

Liberty -mistake made in fog of war.

AIPAC - there are all sorts of different special interest groups that buy influence in our government . Not unique to Jews or Israel. It's abused andthings need to be changed but it's not by any stretch a problem unique to Jewish or Israeli interests .

Oct 7 , Syria, Iraq - your'e blaming Israel for these? Really?

North Korea is a problem but it's not nearly at the level of problem that Iran has been.

I'm neither here nor there with regard to what Israel's influence is in this country . They have influence and it's likely disproportionate but I don't see the case as it's ever been presented to me that they are some coordinated, dark , evil and heavily self interested existential threat to this country . Not even in the Top 10 of problems we face as a nation imo.

That's all I got right now. Headed to OKC.

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Thanks for the honest review. Your correct it's not even the top 10 of our problems. That's one of my major issues Trump ran on things like mass deportation something that would help the American people and we haven't seen anything instead we get this war. We have American problems.

USS Liberty was not fog of war it was a attack on us. Numerous podcast you can listen to the survivors accounts they are 100 percent sure Isrsael knew it was a American ship. I guess the gray area would be the US and Israeli government both saying it was a mistake but I'll believe the navy guys on the ship. It wasn't just a quick drop or ordinance it was a multiple wave attack from air and sea. With 2 different American flags displayed thru out the multiple hour attack. Have no clue why they attacked several theories. It's on the Jocko podcast if they haven't taken it down. Multiple survivors giving different accounts from all over the ship.

It's the Israeli connections on Epstien not the fact he is Jewish. Like Maxwell dad or the former prime minister that lived at his house. Or the fact our Federal prosecutor was told he was a intelligence asset when he got the sweetheart deal.

So just my opinion I see a few things that are off almost facts like the Liberty or Epstien so then every other thing I hear or or see I put on my tin foil hat and believe them.

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wonder if so called Christians know Jesus was a jew..but carrying in your Jew hate by all means.

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They write it off and just focus on the ones that lobbied for Jesus to be crucified. Even though Jesus had to be crucified based on biblical prophecy. Just like Gods covenant with the Jews persists after the crucifixion.

Of course then they just say modern Jews aren't real Jews because they'll believe in any revisionist history that confirms their biases that Jews are bad.

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Can you tell me more? I've always been taught that God created a new and everlasting covenant with anyone who believes in his son. Didn't realize the old covenant still stood and that the Jews were still his chosen people.

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I don't agree with everything this site says, but it gives good answers on much of the larger theological questions:

https://www.gotquestions.org/all-Israel-saved.html

This is a pretty good synopsis.

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I'm not familiar with this church. Are their teachings in line with the larger, more mainstream denominations?

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You can check out their about page, but their views are basically mainstream evangelical, non-denominational Protestantism. I believe they're dispensationalist and their eschatology is pretribulational. My background would be more in the vein of historic premillinealism if you had to put a label on it I suppose.

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Got it. My church doesn't believe in dispensationalism.

Seems fairly straightforward to me…

Hearing this, Jesus was amazed and said to those following him, "Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with so great a faith. I tell you that many will come from east and west to share the banquet with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Matthew 8:10-12

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wonder if so called Christians know Jesus was a jew..but carrying in your Jew hate by all means.

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They write it off and just focus on the ones that lobbied for Jesus to be crucified. Even though Jesus had to be crucified based on biblical prophecy. Just like Gods covenant with the Jews persists after the crucifixion.

Of course then they just say modern Jews aren't real Jews because they'll believe in any revisionist history that confirms their biases that Jews are bad.

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Can you tell me more? I've always been taught that God created a new and everlasting covenant with anyone who believes in his son. Didn't realize the old covenant still stood and that the Jews were still his chosen people.

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I don't agree with everything this site says, but it gives good answers on much of the larger theological questions:

https://www.gotquestions.org/all-Israel-saved.html

This is a pretty good synopsis.

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I'm not familiar with this church. Are their teachings in line with the larger, more mainstream denominations?

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You can check out their about page, but their views are basically mainstream evangelical, non-denominational Protestantism. I believe they're dispensationalist and their eschatology is pretribulational. My background would be more in the vein of historic premillinealism if you had to put a label on it I suppose.

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Got it. My church doesn't believe in dispensationalism.

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Nor do I. Which is why I said I don't agree with everything that site says. It was just a quick and easy reference for the basic idea that the covenant with the Jews isn't broken. It lays out the general distinction between replacement theology and other interpretations. In this case, it is dispensationalism which is probably the most well known alternative.

Look into the teachings of the Vineyard Church for a non-dispensationalist explanation.

US liberty has been thoroughly debunked. Sorry.

"Now do the USS Liberty."

Every time Israel comes up, someone mentions the USS Liberty. Hey, even when Israel is not the topic, people bring it up. A lot of folks see it as some kind of ace-in-the-hole that proves without a shadow of a doubt that Israel is a raging enemy of the… pic.twitter.com/cRurtYDAOf

— Wasson Watch Co. (@WassonWatch) June 17, 2025

Even Jew hater nick Fuentes can't make a compelling argument.

The debate is up and free on https://t.co/Pfm5F1vIKn! Here’s me and @NickJFuentes discussing the #USSliberty pic.twitter.com/dhB9TnW9EI

— Gavin McInnes (@Gavin_McInnes) October 13, 2025

These people hate Israel so much they have a very partisan one track thinking and refuse to look at evidence that's contrary.

They're claiming they know it as fact, just like 9/11 conspiracy theorists claim it as fact without actual evidence.

Wrt the Liberty, there's no doubt that Israel attacked a US Ship and killed and injured sailors but the idea that they would knowingly attack a US ship makes zero sense. It was a mistake . They were at war with Egypt and it looked like an Egyptian ship . What reason would Israel have had to attack an American ship? last thing they would have wanted was war with the US on top of war with Egypt and we were their ally.

No doubt, the (great) great grandparents of your "friends" blamed Roman Catholics for all of their problems.

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US liberty has been thoroughly debunked. Sorry.

"Now do the USS Liberty."

Every time Israel comes up, someone mentions the USS Liberty. Hey, even when Israel is not the topic, people bring it up. A lot of folks see it as some kind of ace-in-the-hole that proves without a shadow of a doubt that Israel is a raging enemy of the… pic.twitter.com/cRurtYDAOf

— Wasson Watch Co. (@WassonWatch) June 17, 2025

Even Jew hater nick Fuentes can't make a compelling argument.

The debate is up and free on https://t.co/Pfm5F1vIKn! Here’s me and @NickJFuentes discussing the #USSliberty pic.twitter.com/dhB9TnW9EI

— Gavin McInnes (@Gavin_McInnes) October 13, 2025

These people hate Israel so much they have a very partisan one track thinking and refuse to look at evidence that's contrary.

They're claiming they know it as fact, just like 9/11 conspiracy theorists claim it as fact without actual evidence.

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Don't forget most of the same people who scream "USS Liberty" also believe the Jews were behind 9/11.

Yeah, but those are the jews, not Israel/ not a comic

Again, the only real thing that pisses me off about the Jews in this country is that they keep voting for Democrats in overwhelming numbers. They are morons for supposedly being so "educated".

People are dumb.

Why would Israel not do and say whatever possible to get the most powerfull military ever, to help fight their war?

There is a large segment of America susceptible to imminent nuke threat propaganda. So much so, that they actually spread the fear mongering like libs spread Climate Change alarmism.

Hard to blame Israel for taking advantage. They score $100s of billions in US taxpayer funding/weapons. Like its hard to blame the "green" industry for taking advantage on the Climate Change "existential threat".

Israel didn't drag us in to this conflict.

Is it not obvious that Iran was on Trump's list along with Venezuela, Cuba, the cartels, and to a degree, Mexico?

Trump made a decision not to pass Iran along to the next president, or the world for that matter, like so many previous administrations have.

At a minimum, Iran is being defanged and castrated. We may not see regime change. We may. Regardless, a cripped Iran is a safer world.

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I have friends that say the Jews are not the victims here, they cause problems everywhere they go and being too aggressive by invading their neighboring countries. They go on to preach conspiracy on how Israel has influence on every aspect of the US government, especially banking, and that all this is apart of the Epstein files.

It blows my mind that people think this way… maybe I missed the memo but the way I see it, one side burns the American flag and the other does not. What am I missing?

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You need smarter friends.

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We are in this "kinetic action" because Israel wanted it and talked DJT into it

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Lolz. You got some proof there?

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https://www.reuters.com/world/us-not-currently-postured-ground-forces-iran-rubio-says-2026-03-02/

After much reflection, I have decided to resign from my position as Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, effective today.

I cannot in good conscience support the ongoing war in Iran. Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation, and it is clear that we started this… pic.twitter.com/prtu86DpEr

— Joe Kent (@joekent16jan19) March 17, 2026

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It would help if Democrats didn't elect actual anti-semites to Congress, and Democrat leaders actually stood up for what used to be bi-partisan support for Israel. Every day that goes by another Jewish American switches to the Republican Party.

— Brandon Maly (@brandon_maly) March 18, 2026

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Did you just try to debunk "Jews are primarily loyal to Israel" by posting a tweet that shows they are switching their political affiliation over support for Israel?

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Someone needs to watch 24 hours of concentration camp footage.

I will always defend the Jews and their want to survive. Anti semites have issues with themselves that need worked out

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Didn't take very long for "we have to do whatever the Jews want because of the Holocaust."

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Did you just try to debunk "Jews are primarily loyal to Israel" by posting a tweet that shows they are switching their political affiliation over support for Israel?

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No, my point was that Democrats have embraced islam/anti-semitism, so it shouldn't be a surprise Jews are not real enthusiastic about it, but Democrats are just super pissed Aipac is not helping them as much now.

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I have friends that say the Jews are not the victims here, they cause problems everywhere they go and being too aggressive by invading their neighboring countries. They go on to preach conspiracy on how Israel has influence on every aspect of the US government, especially banking, and that all this is apart of the Epstein files.

It blows my mind that people think this way… maybe I missed the memo but the way I see it, one side burns the American flag and the other does not. What am I missing?

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Aside from your poor grammar-

How many people admit they have "friends" who are racists and Nazis?

I can honestly state NONE of my friends are Nazis or racists.

Maybe you should look at your own poor choices in life.

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Way to start by crapping on someone's grammar. Why be an ass at every turn?

Way too many are seeing this war in a vacuum. US/Israel v Iran. That's a limited perspective at best. The common denominator between Iran and Venezuela is their alignment with China. We can't tell the world we're cutting off China's access to rogue nations that have oil but that's what we're doing. This is a much larger thing than regime change in Iran. My guess is behind closed doors we're telling the Chinese both of these actions were us reminding them we run the world and their existence depends on us, not the other way around. This is about fentanyl. It's about IP theft. It's about uncompetitive trade. It's about Taiwan. But it's not just about Iran.

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US liberty has been thoroughly debunked. Sorry.

"Now do the USS Liberty."

Every time Israel comes up, someone mentions the USS Liberty. Hey, even when Israel is not the topic, people bring it up. A lot of folks see it as some kind of ace-in-the-hole that proves without a shadow of a doubt that Israel is a raging enemy of the… pic.twitter.com/cRurtYDAOf

— Wasson Watch Co. (@WassonWatch) June 17, 2025

Even Jew hater nick Fuentes can't make a compelling argument.

The debate is up and free on https://t.co/Pfm5F1vIKn! Here’s me and @NickJFuentes discussing the #USSliberty pic.twitter.com/dhB9TnW9EI

— Gavin McInnes (@Gavin_McInnes) October 13, 2025

These people hate Israel so much they have a very partisan one track thinking and refuse to look at evidence that's contrary.

They're claiming they know it as fact, just like 9/11 conspiracy theorists claim it as fact without actual evidence.

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So the people on the ship have just made up stories? It's not just 1 or 2 the podcast I listened to had multiple survivors from all over the ship all with different stories that all matched up. These were actual victims not a Twitter video. Do you think our ship flew no flag? Do you think our ship was unmarked? What about other navy personnel from other ships who were told to stand down? Them guys lying? Just because you believe a debunking video doesn't make it true. I believe the crew.

Wish it was that easy
Given the amount of control the Chinese government can exert over their own people that they won't lose power if WTI is over $150 for an extended period of time

I doubt Trump and the Rs survive if WTI is over $150 and

there is also the small problem that after Ukraine and two engagements with Iran the US stockpiles of things that go Boom needs replenishing

Rookie. Joined a month ago. Only posts on f16. Your sock is smelly.

The State of Israel does not represent religious Jewry any more than Italy does Catholicism.

It is OK to criticize the secular State of Israel.

It is undeniable we have acted in Israel's interest heavily in the just 45 years. You don't need conspiracy to see that.

If someone tells me to read the Bible when discussing the secular state of Israel I just can't…. That is weapons grade stupid. Not everyone is a whacky Christian Dispensationalist trying to bring about the third temple and return of Christ through the Secular State of Israel.

You are 1/4 step away from bringing up Gog and Magog.

A few very good points
Israeli foreign policy objectives
And the Jews are not the same thing

There have been 100x more complaining about "Dispensationalists" than actual posts claiming anything related. It's a favorite dodge for anyone who wants to blame Israel for everything, but also want to ignore all of the evidence against their position. You can be "just criticizing the nation of Israel", but stop ignoring that our interests in the region are very much aligned, and honestly Israel likely owes still existing to our interests in the region that have nothing to do with your boogeyman Dispensationalists and everything to do with oil, trade, and other security issues for other allies on other continents. Israel is more of a hotplate because they represent OUR interests in the area more than they represent the Jewish state. Notice Iran always mentions us first on their hate list.

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The State of Israel does not represent religious Jewry any more than Italy does Catholicism.

It is OK to criticize the secular State of Israel.

It is undeniable we have acted in Israel's interest heavily in the just 45 years. You don't need conspiracy to see that.

If someone tells me to read the Bible when discussing the secular state of Israel I just can't…. That is weapons grade stupid. Not everyone is a whacky Christian Dispensationalist trying to bring about the third temple and return of Christ through the Secular State of Israel.

You are 1/4 step away from bringing up Gog and Magog.

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You realize that our interests and Israel's interests can be aligned, right? "Acting in Israel's interest" is a cop out to remove our agency and blame everything on Israel. We act in our own interest. We are the world hegemon. There are tons of things that Israel has wanted to do over the years that we've kept them from doing.

Your argument is lazy. You're free to criticize Israeli government policy. The reason antisemitism gets thrown out there is because the default for people that don't like Israel is to posit that if we do anything in their interest it's because they subvert us or control us. It's complete and utter nonsense.

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The State of Israel does not represent religious Jewry any more than Italy does Catholicism.

It is OK to criticize the secular State of Israel.

It is undeniable we have acted in Israel's interest heavily in the just 45 years. You don't need conspiracy to see that.

If someone tells me to read the Bible when discussing the secular state of Israel I just can't…. That is weapons grade stupid. Not everyone is a whacky Christian Dispensationalist trying to bring about the third temple and return of Christ through the Secular State of Israel.

You are 1/4 step away from bringing up Gog and Magog.

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You realize that our interests and Israel's interests can be aligned, right? "Acting in Israel's interest" is a cop out to remove our agency and blame everything on Israel. We act in our own interest. We are the world hegemon. There are tons of things that Israel has wanted to do over the years that we've kept them from doing.

Your argument is lazy. You're free to criticize Israeli government policy. The reason antisemitism gets thrown out there is because the default for people that don't like Israel is to posit that if we do anything in their interest it's because they subvert us or control us. It's complete and utter nonsense.

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That is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard anybody say

Obviously, our interest can align with anybody. No ***** Our interest aligned with the Saudi's and sometimes our interest even align with Russia at times.

That is some kindergarden level, no crap, thinking on your part that wants to reduce everything to the simplest possible level because you have a pro Isreal standpoint.

I think it's honestly the disingenuous, dishonest policy makers, and people in general, who can't just say it

Ted Cruz flat out, said it and he got eviscerated so understand why people are scared to do so but you should all have the balls to at least say it.

Which is fine because for the most part, I have a pro Isreal mentality culturally, despite the fact I'm also able to see that 70% of the **** we do in the Middle East is based around Israel

If Isreal didn't exist, we probably have little to nothing to do with the Middle East military on a consistent basis.

I think there's nothing wrong with also admitting that having Isreal as a "friend" has cost us trillions of dollars. It has probably led to the de-Christianification of the Middle East, 9/11 etc…

There's also nothing wrong with saying that Jewish policy has a disproportionate amount of influence in our government

You can be pro Jewish and also admit all those other things and just say that it's worth it to you

I will disagree with your estimate that 70% is done on behalf or with Israel consideration

Keeping
The oil flowing and in the sweet spot of about $70 a barrel is the most important consideration meaning Israel has to be less than 50%

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I will disagree with your estimate that 70% is done on behalf or with Israel consideration

Keeping
The oil flowing and in the sweet spot of about $70 a barrel is the most important consideration meaning Israel has to be less than 50%

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You are allowed to disagree. You are also allowed to be pretty much entirely wrong.

Military as I said, the vast majority of our operations are based around Israel, Israeli security to the detriment of our interests in regards to oil, etc.

Isreal is an impediment to good relations with the Gulf states that actually produced the oil

We made the decision to be pro Isreal, despite the fact it harms us in the region.

You honestly think it's easier to deal with all the golf dates because we're friends with Isreal? If that is your claim, then I don't even know where to begin with you.

Every bit of trouble we have ever had in the Middle East is based around Israel.

The Revolution in Iran is based on the fact that they hate us because we supported Israel

It's an undeniable fact that nobody in the Middle East is going to be favorable to a western nation, but we have put ourselves in direct conflict with the Muslim world the day Isreal became our "special ally".

It was never in our interest to do so

We've been fighting in Syria for over a decade and most Americans are completely unaware. To what benefit? Absolutely zero to the US so to who?