I used to hate Tucker. I now love the guy.
Tucker Carlson has lost his way, something is seriously wrong.
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Dimond1968 said:
I used to hate Tucker. I now love the guy.
Was it his wanting criminal Trump to be removed from office, his fake creepy laugh, or his carrying water for Islamic terrorists that converted you?
I'm Gipper
Go to bed grandpa.
Dimond1968 said:
I used to hate Tucker. I now love the guy.
I was largely ambivalent to him. I rarely watched Fox commentary. Hannity is terrible. Waters is kind of pedestrian. I didn't listen to much talk politics after Rush died. I started listening to him about 2 years ago and his political beliefs align with mine in many ways.
I'm not a fan of him hawking home equity loans as a way to pay credit card bills. I don't like his defense of portions of Sharia law.
Big fan on Tuckers work on 911, the Oklahoma City bombing. As well his as stance to hold political public servants to account. I like people who do not shill for a political party but look at the facts. I think it would have been far easier for Tucker to just lean into MAGA. I can't see how this was the easier or better path forward. Outside of the truth will often leave you without a political party. Good on Tucker reporting the truth.
This is the path he is being paid to take.
I guess he has the anti-semite crowd as well as Alex Jones' bunch these days.
I guess he has the anti-semite crowd as well as Alex Jones' bunch these days.
Who is paying Tucker? The reason I reject this idea is there is no way Glenn Greenwald or Max Blumenthal both as connected as you get would go on a show to just be used. Too many good people like Dave Smith or Megan Kelly love Tucker. Who is paying him?
Dimond1968 said:
Who is paying Tucker? The reason I reject this idea is there is no way Glenn Greenwald or Max Blumenthal both as connected as you get would go on a show to just be used. Too many good people like Dave Smith or Megan Kelly love Tucker. Who is paying him?
Qatar is his biggest backer, and this is not in question.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
You do know Trump loves Qatar? I've never understood the logic here. I hear this but cannot find how this would work. And almost always the Trump connection is ignored.
Trump has deep business ties to Qatar including a jet out of it. Tucker is very rich, his wife is crazy rich. Would it have been easier to just lean into MAGA? Rather than become a person without a home?
Dimond1968 said:
You do know Trump loves Qatar? I've never understood the logic here. I hear this but cannot find how this would work. And almost always the Trump connection is ignored.
You're making absolutely no sense.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
You don't think Trump likes doing business with Qatar? Including receiving a jet? You know sometimes people just don't think like you do. And that's okay. And doesn't always mean they are taking money.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-air-force-one-plane-qatar-8eb5da68e95d583b14811f85e62cbcd1
https://apnews.com/article/trump-air-force-one-plane-qatar-8eb5da68e95d583b14811f85e62cbcd1
"You know sometimes people just don't think like you do."
Most people don't change their opinions as radically as Tucker has without some kind of payback. He was making a lot of money for opinions on Fox and once he lost that platform, he is changing his views to get clicks - you are perfect defect example - didn't like him until swapped his narrative
Most people don't change their opinions as radically as Tucker has without some kind of payback. He was making a lot of money for opinions on Fox and once he lost that platform, he is changing his views to get clicks - you are perfect defect example - didn't like him until swapped his narrative
Tucker changing is actually pretty clear. He had been shifting out of the NEOCON mindset for years prior.
Rapier108 said:Dimond1968 said:
You do know Trump loves Qatar? I've never understood the logic here. I hear this but cannot find how this would work. And almost always the Trump connection is ignored.
You're making absolutely no sense.
I think the poster is pretty clear. I understand their point to be:
Tucker allegedly receives $$ from Qatar and he is immediately suspect. Trump receives $$ from Qatar and there doesn't seem to be an issue.
Dimond1968 said:
You don't think Trump likes doing business with Qatar? Including receiving a jet? You know sometimes people just don't think like you do. And that's okay. And doesn't always mean they are taking money.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-air-force-one-plane-qatar-8eb5da68e95d583b14811f85e62cbcd1
Straw man argument.
Tucker changed his positions when he started being funded by Qatar, pure and simple.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
Queso1 said:Rapier108 said:Dimond1968 said:
You do know Trump loves Qatar? I've never understood the logic here. I hear this but cannot find how this would work. And almost always the Trump connection is ignored.
You're making absolutely no sense.
I think the poster is pretty clear. I understand their point to be:
Tucker allegedly receives $$ from Qatar and he is immediately suspect. Trump receives $$ from Qatar and there doesn't seem to be an issue.
This thread isn't about Trump.
Also, is Trump shrilling for Islam, the DSA, and spewing antisemitism? Nope.
Tucker is doing all of those things, the latter is why certain people now love him.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
What's strange to me is Tucker is putting America first. No more wars, fixing a country that is frankly dying. Doing all this before we do other things. The actual MAGA playtime before the NEOCONS took over.
yes you are so right - endorsing Muslim DSA candidates is 100% America firstDimond1968 said:
What's strange to me is Tucker is putting America first. No more wars, fixing a country that is frankly dying. Doing all this before we do other things. The actual MAGA playtime before the NEOCONS took over.
Rapier108 said:Queso1 said:Rapier108 said:Dimond1968 said:
You do know Trump loves Qatar? I've never understood the logic here. I hear this but cannot find how this would work. And almost always the Trump connection is ignored.
You're making absolutely no sense.
I think the poster is pretty clear. I understand their point to be:
Tucker allegedly receives $$ from Qatar and he is immediately suspect. Trump receives $$ from Qatar and there doesn't seem to be an issue.
This thread isn't about Trump.
Also, is Trump shrilling for Islam, the DSA, and spewing antisemitism? Nope.
Tucker is doing all of those things, the latter is why certain people now love him.
No. But you ignore the contradiction. How can Tucker be against what Trump is doing because he is paid for by Qatar. When Trump is doing business with Qatar. This makes no sense. How is Qatar controlling Tucker? Heck 20 years ago I was a NEOCON like Tucker. I changed lots of people become anti war and against US foreign policy. Again Tucker is very rich doesn't need Qatar money. It seems easier you just don't like what Tucker is saying.
AgDad121619 said:yes you are so right - endorsing Muslim DSA candidates is 100% America firstDimond1968 said:
What's strange to me is Tucker is putting America first. No more wars, fixing a country that is frankly dying. Doing all this before we do other things. The actual MAGA playtime before the NEOCONS took over.
He didn't endorse him. He said Mike Rogers is awful and it's easy to see why Mike Rogers is going to lose.
Didn't "endorse" El Sayed out tells people not to vote for Rogers. A distinction without a difference.
Why are Tucker fan boys so disingenuous or some times plain dishonest?
I'm Gipper
Why are Tucker fan boys so disingenuous or some times plain dishonest?
I'm Gipper
Dimond1968 said:AgDad121619 said:yes you are so right - endorsing Muslim DSA candidates is 100% America firstDimond1968 said:
What's strange to me is Tucker is putting America first. No more wars, fixing a country that is frankly dying. Doing all this before we do other things. The actual MAGA playtime before the NEOCONS took over.
He didn't endorse him. He said Mike Rogers is awful and it's easy to see why Mike Rogers is going to lose.
So your position is that Tucker didn't endorse El Sayed when he said he would not vote for Mike Roger's at gunpoint and stated that El Sayed was the one with America First positions?
Do you agree with the assessment that El Sayed has the better, America First positions? Elections are between two people, so it's a binary choice.
Im Gipper said:
Didn't "endorse" El Sayed out tells people not to vote for Rogers. A distinction without a difference.
Why are Tucker fan boys so disingenuous or some times plain dishonest?
Tucker never said a thing about don't vote for Mike Rogers. Only how terrible Mike Roger's is. That's a big difference. And he is an awful candidate. At some point it's okay to say that.
Kvetch said:Dimond1968 said:AgDad121619 said:yes you are so right - endorsing Muslim DSA candidates is 100% America firstDimond1968 said:
What's strange to me is Tucker is putting America first. No more wars, fixing a country that is frankly dying. Doing all this before we do other things. The actual MAGA playtime before the NEOCONS took over.
He didn't endorse him. He said Mike Rogers is awful and it's easy to see why Mike Rogers is going to lose.
So your position is that Tucker didn't endorse El Sayed when he said he would not vote for Mike Roger's at gunpoint and stated that El Sayed was the one with America First positions?
Do you agree with the assessment that El Sayed has the better, America First positions? Elections are between two people, so it's a binary choice.
Elections aren't binary. You can say Mike Rogers is a NEOCON who has cheererd on every American stupid war. And also not be for the socialist running against Rogers. Republicans need to learn NEOCON ideas are over. Just because NEOCONS are in power now doesn't make it a lasting messsge. Conservative youths by large numbers are done with neo conservative politics. Tucker is right to pick up on this.
Dimond1968 said:Im Gipper said:
Didn't "endorse" El Sayed out tells people not to vote for Rogers. A distinction without a difference.
Why are Tucker fan boys so disingenuous or some times plain dishonest?
Tucker never said a thing about don't vote for Mike Rogers. Only how terrible Mike Roger's is. That's a big difference. And he is an awful candidate. At some point it's okay to say that.
we hope that the good people of Michigan keep this man far away from Washington
Maybe Tucker meant "take away Rogers' car keys."
There is ZERO difference between this and saying "we hope Michiganders don't vote for Rogers"
As I said above....
I'm Gipper
Tucker Carlson has been a self absorbed coin operated carnival barking windbag for 30 years. It's crazy how many people have ever taken him seriously.
Aggie Dad Sip said:
Tucker Carlson has been a self absorbed coin operated carnival barking windbag for 30 years. It's crazy how many people have ever taken him seriously.
Perhaps he is. But his present positions share more with pre-2025 MAGA than where MAGA is today.
Queso1 said:Aggie Dad Sip said:
Tucker Carlson has been a self absorbed coin operated carnival barking windbag for 30 years. It's crazy how many people have ever taken him seriously.
Perhaps he is. But his present positions share more with pre-2025 MAGA than where MAGA is today.
Well, MAGA is pretty fluid. MAGA as a political movement is whatever Donald Trump says it is at the time.
Queso1 said:Aggie Dad Sip said:
Tucker Carlson has been a self absorbed coin operated carnival barking windbag for 30 years. It's crazy how many people have ever taken him seriously.
Perhaps he is. But his present positions share more with pre-2025 MAGA than where MAGA is today.
No, they don't. Maybe you never understood what MAGA meant. I don't agree with everything Trump has done, but it's all very well in line with what he has always defined MAGA as being.
Dimond1968 said:Kvetch said:Dimond1968 said:AgDad121619 said:yes you are so right - endorsing Muslim DSA candidates is 100% America firstDimond1968 said:
What's strange to me is Tucker is putting America first. No more wars, fixing a country that is frankly dying. Doing all this before we do other things. The actual MAGA playtime before the NEOCONS took over.
He didn't endorse him. He said Mike Rogers is awful and it's easy to see why Mike Rogers is going to lose.
So your position is that Tucker didn't endorse El Sayed when he said he would not vote for Mike Roger's at gunpoint and stated that El Sayed was the one with America First positions?
Do you agree with the assessment that El Sayed has the better, America First positions? Elections are between two people, so it's a binary choice.
Elections aren't binary. You can say Mike Rogers is a NEOCON who has cheererd on every American stupid war. And also not be for the socialist running against Rogers. Republicans need to learn NEOCON ideas are over. Just because NEOCONS are in power now doesn't make it a lasting messsge. Conservative youths by large numbers are done with neo conservative politics. Tucker is right to pick up on this.
Elections are binary unless you are a radical accelerationist that thinks somehow we'd be better off letting the socialist destroy our country so we can start over. Which is about the stupidest position to hold.
So you can either have the "neocon" who will vote with the Republicans, or you can have the Muslim DSA radical who thinks America is the bad guy. It's binary.
Republicans are far from perfect, but they're a hell of a lot better than the alternative that you keep dancing around.
Kvetch said:Queso1 said:Aggie Dad Sip said:
Tucker Carlson has been a self absorbed coin operated carnival barking windbag for 30 years. It's crazy how many people have ever taken him seriously.
Perhaps he is. But his present positions share more with pre-2025 MAGA than where MAGA is today.
No, they don't. Maybe you never understood what MAGA meant. I don't agree with everything Trump has done, but it's all very well in line with what he has always defined MAGA as being.
I invite you to do some research on the core principles of MAGA and tell me how the war in Iran and favoritism of elites jives with it.
Queso1 said:Kvetch said:Queso1 said:Aggie Dad Sip said:
Tucker Carlson has been a self absorbed coin operated carnival barking windbag for 30 years. It's crazy how many people have ever taken him seriously.
Perhaps he is. But his present positions share more with pre-2025 MAGA than where MAGA is today.
No, they don't. Maybe you never understood what MAGA meant. I don't agree with everything Trump has done, but it's all very well in line with what he has always defined MAGA as being.
I invite you to do some research on the core principles of MAGA and tell me how the war in Iran and favoritism of elites jives with it.
MAGA is a political slogan and therefore the principles are different for every person who adopts it as their label, so there is nothing to "research". You projected what you wanted onto Trump despite the evidence and don't like that things didn't conform to your projection of isolationism and antisemitism. I hate to break it to you but Trump's version of the vague "MAGA" label never matched yours.
You hit the nail on the head!
I will add that Trump has always been adamant about Iran never getting nuclear weapons. This is not a change. MAGA has NEVER meant let the evil people in the world do what they want to harm America. Its a fantasy created by the Tucker fanboys.
I'm Gipper
I will add that Trump has always been adamant about Iran never getting nuclear weapons. This is not a change. MAGA has NEVER meant let the evil people in the world do what they want to harm America. Its a fantasy created by the Tucker fanboys.
I'm Gipper
Im Gipper said:Dimond1968 said:Im Gipper said:
Didn't "endorse" El Sayed out tells people not to vote for Rogers. A distinction without a difference.
Why are Tucker fan boys so disingenuous or some times plain dishonest?
Tucker never said a thing about don't vote for Mike Rogers. Only how terrible Mike Roger's is. That's a big difference. And he is an awful candidate. At some point it's okay to say that.
we hope that the good people of Michigan keep this man far away from Washington
Maybe Tucker meant "take away Rogers' car keys."
There is ZERO difference between this and saying "we hope Michiganders don't vote for Rogers"
As I said above....
Nobody wants Mike Rogers. How is this hard to understand? Tucker is right to call out the neocons. That doesn't mean any of us like the socialist. But we aren't holding back on Mike Rogers lust for war which is just as bad as socialism.
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